Need Advice On Either To Tapper With What I Got Or Go Ahead & Jump From Where Im At With Suboxone?

hi! i am needing some advice on a couple of things. i was o an extreme amount of pain pills for about 8-9 yrs then back in 09 i went thru the withdrawal from them & got clean for 9 months, i then came across suboxone not by Rx & started taking them at 1-1/2 a day the 8mg strips. i got on this ot for recreation but i have a really bad back & other problems that causes me alot of pain & thats what got my pain pill addiction started! the drs put me on them & left me on them for a yr! anyway ibe been taking the subs now for 5 yrs, i have went without before for 8-12 days so i know what the withdrawls are like from this to that point & it really scares me for the fact they last so long! when i detoxed myself from the pills it was over in 2 weeks! anyway right now i am down to 2 1/2 subs & i have o way of getting anymore at all! ive wanted off of them for a long time due to they make me foggy headed, cant concentrate, & cant think clearly but they do give me the energy & motivation to live my life! plus they are financially draining me! anyway what i need to know is ive9) already taken 4mg today (1/2 of a strip) should i take a 1/2 for the next 2 days & then cut the last strip into 1/4ths & take a 1/4th each day after till they r gone or should i just jump from where im at now & save what i have for when the withdrawals get really bad? ive been taking 8mg a day & today took 4mg. im just trying to find a way to maybe try to make the withdrawal not as bad or last any longer then it will with what i have left! the withdrawals scare me cause they last so long & i always start feeling them by the 2nd day. the chilling, dizziness, cold sweats, pain, nightmares, & stomach problems is usually whats the worst for me! and another thing my family that lives with me doesnt know ive been taking anythng & i can not let them find out so ive got to try to do this & hide it from them the best i can which is really hard when all u want to do is lay in bed! and for some reason for me the first 3-4 days up to a week all i want to do is hyper sleep then insomnia kicks in! the hyper sleeping makes me feel bad but i cant do anything else! i just want to get clean & stay clean for good! im tired of depending on something to make me feel better even though i live in daily pain! i dont have a dr i can go to & ask for any benzos or sleeping pills to help me as they dont know ive been taking anything so im pretty much in this alone! usually about the 7th-8th day my back & legs hurt so bad for 2-3 days all the way to the bone that i cry & all! so im really dreading this but know it has to be done for me to be able to live my life the way i want to without having to hide things from my family! so any help with this will be greatly appreciated!

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Hi Gemini78! I know exactly what u r going through. I was addicted 2 Oxy 4 almost 10 years, due 2 medical problems and pain. I'm on suboxone now. As far as your problem , u r going 2 suffer from withdrawals either way. If it was me, I would wait until I was withdrawing and take the least bit of suboxone as possible. Just enough 2 take the edge off and stretch them out. Hope it works out 4 u.

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thanks Cats68! i was thinking the same thing to but was unsure! i tried to get this posted a couple of days ago but it just got posted! so now im down to 1 left! i just really hope i can get thru this without feeling like im completely dying or my family finding out! thats going to be hard. ive went up to 12 days before & honestly i didnt feel no better then i did on day 1! i know they say each time can be different & ive been trying to mentally prepare myself since i found out i couldnt get anymore but i also deal with major depreesion, bipolar, & extreme panic disorder for which i have no meds for right now so it makes those elevate as well! i just pray i get thru this so i can finally be free from being a slave to these things & having to depend on them to fill better! if i make it this time nothing like this will ever go in my mouth again unless its for a surgery, broke bone, or something serious like that! i hate the day a dr ever prescribed a pain pill to me! i live with bad back pain every day but id rather deal with that every day for the rest of my life then to have to deal with going thru this! again thank u & ill try to keep posted on how im doing thru out! tomorrow will probably be my jump day & im dreading it cause i know ppl say wd starts on 3-4 days but i always feel them starting the very next day if i dont take anything! so here goes nothing!

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Hi Gemini78! I know how u feel. I suffer everyday from my back problems 2. But, I swear I would never put a narcotic pain pill in my mouth, again. Unless, I had surgery, broken bones or something drastic.( like u said) I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks 2. But, I'm on klonopin 4 that. It helps, a lot. Part of the withdrawals r psychological. So, they will give u anxiety 2. And, it's worse if u already have anxiety. No one in my family knows I'm on suboxone and never knew I was addicted 2 Oxy. They never would have let me live that down. There r medications 2 help with withdrawals, but, only by prescription.(clonodine and Tramadol) they r NON narcotic. Maybe, tak 2 Dr about your anxiety. Don't suffer if u don't have 2.

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thanks cats68! i used to get klonipon also for my anxiety but i have no car & no way to get to a dr to get anything, i so wished i could! the only thing ill be able to get is otc stuff when i get to the store maybe in a few days if i dont get to tomorrow! i know to get immodium & i need nausea meds but the store ill get to go to dont sell it unless i get dramimine & it knocks me out which i guess when the insomnia kicks in will be good! ive seen some ppl on these threads say to take multi vitamins & b vitamins & drink gatorades & things & theyll help, i dont know ive never tried them but if theyll work ill be willing to try anything! and yes the mental part of it is what kills me after the physical wd subsides! which like i said ive went up to 12 days before & still had the physical symptoms! i think they really need to rethink this drug & make it some way where the half life of it isnt so long! cause even though coming off pain meds was hard i could deal with them better knowing in a couple weeks id be starting to feel better! when i detoxed myself last time i was actually taking 120mg time released morphine, 3-15mg fast acting morphine a day, & 140 or more percocets a week! thats what the drs gave me! when i went to another dr he said i was on enough to literally kill a horse & said he didnt see how i was raising my head up off my pillow each morning! lol. i told him i couldnt do it if i didnt take the meds! so i was on that till i detoxed myself off. and yes my family would be the same way! they would redicule me to death & never let me live it down if they knew! to them id be nothing but a junkie for the rest of my life so thats why i got to this as secretively as i can! and thats going to be hard trying to act normal when im going to feel like im dying! i can pull maybe 2-3 days off saying im sick or something but after that its going to be hard! i wish some people wasnt so judgemental about stuff like this! i think its great when someone whos going thru something like this has their family for support! i think it would make things alot easier!

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i posted a reply before this one cats68 but it said it had to be reviewed so i dont know if itll get posted! ill wait to see if it does or not and if it dont ill retype it & try to send it! thank u & yes i do understand about the family!

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thanks cats68! ive tried replying twice to u now & 1 time it said it had to be reviewed & the 2nd one said it had saved but didnt! so ill wait & see if the first 1 i sent gets posted & if not ill retype it & try to get it to go thru! and yes i understand about family! i think having supportive family can make it a little easier! its hard when u have to try to hide it from everyone!

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Hi Gemmini78, I can't stand it when they put it up 4 review. And, sometimes it never goes through. Sometimes I have 2 re- word it. That changes 4 me . Then it works.

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Hi Gemini, how r u doing? How r u feeling? I've been thinking about u and your situation . If we lived close by , I would give u a ride 2 Drs and stores . But , I live in RI.

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hi cats68! thank u for thinking of me! well i went 5 days without & thought i was dying! it was mostly mentally & NO energy what so ever! i literally slept for 5 days! my bday was the 10th so i decided to try to get up cause my back was killing me & just so happened i found a little safe box thing i have & found 15 subs i had locked up in it! i dont remember when or why i even put them there! anyway i have been taking a 1/2 of an 8mg sub for a few days & im going to try to use what i got now to wean down a little more & better then what i was cause i dont think ill be able to jump at 8mg & get thru it without my family finding out! its hard right now for me to just take the 1/2 a day cause i usually would take 1/2 when i got up & a few hrs later take another 1/2, then on some days when my insomnia would kick in & was up late id take another 1/2 that night so right now im still fighting the urge to stay at a 1/2 a day but im hoping a few more days & ill be able to cut the 1/2 in 1/2! and go from there. i know drs has told me it takes ur body & mind 7 days to adjust to something so im hoping the subs act like that also! if they do i should be able to get to a low dose before jumping again but this time im going to try to save 1-2 of them for times when it gets really bad! if i could get out of this house i do believe id be ok cause i got to get out of the house the 1st day when i was already feeling bad & i felt pretty good just no energy but an hr or 2 after i got home i had to go to bed i was feeling so bad! i will try to keep u updated on how im doing thru the taper & when i jump also as much as i can as im hoping this way i wont suffer so bad cause jumping from 8mg i just cant even get the energy to get on the comp! i have fibro & chronic fatigue syndrome to which i believe makes it that much worse! but ill def keep u updated on how im doing as im determined to get off this stuff! im just hoping to lessen the wd a little! thanks again!

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Hi Gemini, how r u? I'm so glad u found the 15 suboxone. How great that worked out. Like u said, just take the least bit possible, so u r not sick. And, if dramimine knocks u out, u may very well need it! I'll wait 2 hear from u.

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hi cats68! thanks for asking! yes im glad i found those! right now im doing ok. im taking a 1/2 of an 8mg strip each ay but yesterday i kind of messed up & took a whole strip! 1/2 at a time but i done it cause the 1st half i took didnt get to dissolve right & i never felt it working so im hoping that didnt actually set me back any with this taper! im trying to work it to where i take a 1/2 a day for 7 days then cut that in half & so forth but its very hard for me to remain on the 1/2 a day but i know i have to! im also hoping when it comes time for me to reduce that down that my body & brain is ready to adjust also! im hoping ill be able to tell if my body & brain is adjusted enough to reduce it down when i do cause i know if its not its going to make it that much harder! right now the only thing thats getting to me is the energy! i have none at all! its like i havent even bounced back from where i went the 7-8 days without! my energy hasnt came back! idk if its cause i didnt go back to the 8mg & just taking a 1/2 or what! plus my other health issues that zap my energy to is making me so sluggish to the point all i want to do is sleep! and thats not like me at all! even though i have chronic fatigue & other things ive always had chronic insomnia since i was 12 yrs old & would go days without sleeping before id sleep for a few hrs! now i can barely raise my head off my pillow each day & it takes an act of congress to make myself do it! i have never been this tired in my life even with all my health problems! i wont drink any energy drinks or anything like that cause ive always been scared of them plus i have high blood pressure & stuff so ive always been scared to drink or take anything like that for energy for fear of having a heart attack or stroke but i swear ive been sooo tempted to try them the past few days! i cant exercise to try to get energy cause of my back & foot & stuff so i dont know what i could do to try to get some energy! i hate this so bad cause i cant get nothing done! my stomache has been a little bit tore up also! its sort of like i got a low grade virus or flu or something the way i feel! im just hoping its my body getting adjusted & does it soon cause i really need to reduce my dose very soon! again thanks for asking! i do appreciate it!

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cats68 i wrote a reply to u but it said it needs to be reviewed! ill wait & see if it gets posted soon & if it doesnt ill retype it! thanks for asking about me! mostly right now its a big energy problem for me!

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Hi Gemini78! How r u feeling now? I take it that u r done the suboxone? I hope u r doing ok. Let me know.

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hi cats68. i actually made them last till july 11th but the last few days of them took 4-6 mgs. right now im on day 7 & i feel like crap! but i did go the first 3 days doing ok which usually im in bed by day 1! i have no energy at all & all i want to do is lay & sleep! i dont have a car & no way o get out the house & cant go walking for health reasons so that makes it hard to! other then that ive had the chills, cold sweats, & stomache problems pretty bad! i have took a few times to where i couldnt sleep but i do have some muscle relaxers i took to help with that 1 night! im on day 7 & im hoping in the next 7 days ill start feeling better as i said in my post i cant let the people i live with know about this! right now im playing off a head cold as my nose is all stopped up & sneezing like crazy! today is the 1st day ive been on the laptop in about 4 days as ive only been sitting up for like 10 mins at a time cause im so weak! also its hard to walk cause im so dizzy i almost fall! im just hoping all the acute stuff is over soon! also ive been having anxiety but just have to try to fight it cause i have nothing for it! i hate the anxiety! i have panic disorder so i think that makes the anxiety worse!

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hi cats68! thanks for asking about me! i answered u earlier but forgot to hit reply even though it did get posted! anyway i was wrong on my day count the last post & today makes 10 days no subs! im still sneezing pretty bad, still alot of stomache problems, anxiety is real high to the point ive started having panic attacks again & i have no meds for them! so thats really bringing me down alot! depression pretty bad & no energy or happiness at all! very irritable! im starting to wonder after 10 days of hell when im going to see a light at the end of the tunnel?! i know i was on them for a long time & all but usually i bounce back pretty quickly from things! like i posted before i detoxed myself off of very high doses of morphine & percs & was on them for 8-9 yrs or more & done it at hom myself with nothing & was back to myself in a little over a week! i dont know if i can handle this another 2-3 weeks or more! the depression, anxiety, & no energy is killing me the most! i cant get out of my house & i know that makes it harder but God its got to give some time! right now it dont seem like its ever going to!

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Hi Gemini78! I'm sorry to hear you're still feeling sick. It takes time and everyone is different. The anxiety makes it worse,too. I have anxiety disorder and I thank God I'm on Klonopin for it. I feel so bad that you can't get to a doctor to receive help. I will pray for you. Keep me posted on how you're doing. If you need to talk, I give permission for meds chat to give you my e- mail address. It's {edited for privacy}.

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Hi Gemini78! I wrote you back . It said it needs to be reviewed. I pray it goes through.

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Hi Gemini78! I gave meds chat permission to give you my e- mail address. Then we can speak more personal. I think that would help you out more. And I can share my experiences with you, too

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hi cats68. i dont know how to get your email from them. it wasnt in my notification or anything. today is day 11 & i was hoping today would be a turning point some! the only thing right now is still i have no energy & i sleep like 3-4 times a day for 4-5 hrs cause i cant sleep alot at 1 time. im still having stomache troubles & no appetite but im afraid to eat anyway due to making the stomache issues worse! other then that & my sneezing & head feeling stopped up i think all symptoms are bout gone except this evening i woke up having the chills again! i havent had the chills since day 3 & 4! also i guess ive gotten lucky as ive not had no rls. but im in alot of pain due to back problems & i have stomache problems & with my stomache being tore up i think its flared it up also causing me alot of discomfort! im almost out of ibuprofen & cant get no more till next month so im dreading that to even though i dont even know if thats helping any at all with any of the pain anyway! i just really hope i see some kind of end to this in the next day or 2 especially with the depression & anxiety cause i dont know how much more of this i can take! i can deal with coming off all the moprhine & percs i did before rather then deal with this long drawn out ordeal! this is getting rediculous!

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Hi Genini78! I'm going to see if I can write meds chat and get my e-mail address to you, somehow. I know how HORRIBLE it is to be going through what you are experiencing. It certainly can last awhile.

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well i am now 6 months off subs! so ppl can take my advice or not that is thier choice! i can tell u my experience but everyones is diff! and no i was not high when i posted here i was in w/d. im not going to sugar coat anything or argue with anyone about it! like i said im now 6 months completely clean off subs & have taken nothing else! the only problem i am still having is problem with sleeping! ive tried to post all of my experience with it here but no i didnt post all! u dont want to scare ppl so bad they they dont want to try to stop cause yes it CAN be done! believe me i do know what im talking about with this as i was on subs for 5 yrs & jumped from a high dose. before that i had been addicted to morphine for almost 10 yrs. so ppl can take my advice or not but everyones experience & length of w/d is diff for everyone! and yes i did find 15 at that time that i had stashed back & forgot about! i have no reason to lie! if i wouldve got them off the street i wouldve said so its not like ppl on here know who ppl are! like i said i will not argue or respond anymore to any negativity! this was me putting in my experience to help ppl! and if i do have p.a.w.s the only symptom is insomnia!

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Suboxone won't come up on a seven panel. They have to do a special drug panel which most companies don't do. I am 100% sure of this. I been on suboxone for years with many UA. Now if it's a mouth SWAB ah put crest white strips in and try not to let the applicator touch the gums breath on use the humidity in your/his breath. I had it work and I had it not work. It's cheap. Just short of police or military wtf job? Astronaut?

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OMG, Gem78 is full of it and ur feeding into it. you wanna save someone save yourself. PAWS will last for years. O found 15 BS got em on the street. You can tell when gem78 was/is high and when he or she is suffering. We made our bed. stop b****ing. Let the world stop cause I'm a junkie. Man I hate wannabe addicts.

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no it wont. i have heard they have to do a special kind of test to pick subs up in the system & not just the usual drug panel. im not sure myself just what ive heard others say. subs have a very long half life & i wouldnt think it could be flushed out of the system in 2 days as in 3 days half is still in ur system. after that it goes down a little each day for about 4-5 days depending how high of a dose they r on.

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I'm not prescribed suboxone but have a friend that is but needs it out of his system within the next 2 days for a job drug panel & doesn't hire someone even if it is prescribed to them. Will drinking vinegar and lots of water flush it out?

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well today made my 60 days! im still dealing with depression, anxiety, & insomnia. also the energy level thing. it seems they have all plateaued. so im hoping i can find a way to work thru these quickly & get it all done & over with cause id love to be completely done with this by the 90 day mark! im really hoping i dont have p.a.w.s. to anyone who reads this, this is a long hard journey but it is worth it! ill keep updating here every so often till my 90 day mark or if someone needs to talk or anything.

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it has now been 51 days off subs for me! my sneezing is finally starting to slow down some. im only taking sneezing fits maybe 2-3 times a day now. im still dealing with the depression quite a bit & the anxiety but its not as bad as it was. the only thing bothering me really is the depression & my energy level. my energy level doesnt seem to be going up anymore! i was hoping that all this would be resolved by the 60 day mark but i think it may take the 90 days as they say it does. i am still hoping itll all be gone by then & that i dont have the p.a.w.s. even though im doing alot better then i was i know most people say they are feeling 100% better by the 60 days & im still not feeling like that! right now id say im about 90-95% better. so im hoping itll all soon be gone for good! ive made it thru this & even though its hard to believe i have like i said when the acute w/ds started, ill never go back to no kind of pill or drug! this is my last detox im gonna put my body thru! this one has really taught me a lesson thats for sure!

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hi! well im now 45 days off subs! im still sneezing but im starting to think it may be allergies. also my energy level has plateaued. its not going up any more its like it has leveled out at this point so im hoping thatll change & get better soon! im still geting some anxiety but its not to bad & doesnt last long to where its something i cant deal with. my main problem now really is sleep! ive taken high doses of melatonin & still can only get about 4 hrs sleep out of a 24 hr day! and thats not at 1 time. i sleep an hour or here & there. its been like that for the last 2-3 weeks & is really getting on my nerves. i think thats got alot to do with my energy level. my brain wants me up at night & wants to sleep a couple hrs thru the day. im hoping this will straighten out soon. im also having alot of back & body pain & headaches now but i think the subs was masking all of this & now i need to get these problems taken care of but im trying to wait it out some more to make sure its not something from the detox process that will eventually get better. as i said before ill keep updating every few days at least till my 90 day mark here. or if someone needs someone to talk to.

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hi! still doing good! im now 38 days in & still feeling tired & sneezing but i think its letting up just slowly! but i guess i can expect it to take so long since i was on them so long. over all im feeling alot better. i do have alot of back pain and other things but i think thats normal cause my backs messed up and the subs were masking alot of stuff. my appetite is now back to normal even more then what i was eating as on the subs i could go days without eating cause they killed my appetite which i know isnt healthy so now maybe i can get my vitamin levels under control which even the dr was having a hard time doing with script meds. im also doing and interested in things ive not done in years and am glad of that but ive lost all interest in the hobbies and things i did while on the subs. i dont know why that is or if its normal cause some i absolutely loved but have no interest in now! ill keep updating here at least till the 90 day mark they say it takes to make a full recovery even though i dont think itll take me that long hopefully! i do think its going to take the 60 days and may take the 90 with my energy level but im hoping not!

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hi cats68! i wanted to let u know im still doing ok! im now 32 days in & my depression is finally letting up some! im actually starting to do things again i havent in years cause the subs made me so foggy headed like & not clear thinking. im still having some sneezing which i have been told is actually a good sign & means that the receptors in your brain are starting to fire up again. if thats true my brain should be in flames! lol. my energy is starting to come back but only in spurts here & there, im having back pain but i have a bad back so guess thats normal for me. the only problem im really having now is insomnia which no amount of melatonin is helping so im hoping thatll level out soon & the fact i cant keep my mind busy enough & get bored really easy! ive always gotten bored easily but not like this & its like everything i used to do isnt interesting to me anymore but i want to do things but dont know what! i hope that makes sense! ill keep updating here as i know im still not completely done but cats68 i do want to thank you so very much for being there for me! i think if i hadnt of knowed i could get on here & have someone to talk to about it i might wouldve lost my mind! you really helped get me thru this alot & im so thankful for that! i hope 1 day i can help someone like u helped me! if anyone reads this & u need someone to just talk to that knows what u r going thru plz feel free to reply to this & ill talk to u or im sure cats68 will be willing as well as she was wonderful for me! i will be contacting u thru email soon cats68 as i consider u a good friend that was there for me thru my hardest time when i had nobody else to turn to! again thank u so much!

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