Is Anybody Being Prescribed Scopolamine For Depression (Page 7)

is anyone being prescribed scopolamine off-label for depression? the NIMH is doing clinical trials for same and apparently it works, however my p-doc won't prescribe it for me.

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35 years of severe depression. Over 100 antidepressants plus over 20 ECTs . . . none worked. Daily suicidal ideation. Am at a point that suicide offers the hope of relief. Then I read your article. Who and where is Dr Nancy Sabjen? I have very little fight left. Please, please contact me.

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I 70 years old bipolar with moderate cronic pain, probably from a small spinal lesion cord between C2 & C3. I have periods of depression lasting years. Over the years I have educated myself very well on these subjects and regularly read the literature in several related fields.

Ketamine has been cropping up in chronic pain for some time. When it popped up for depression I dropped my psychiatrist of 17 years a line. As the patient that has been with him the longest by several years our discussions or open and honest. He brought up Scopolamine as a saver and easier to get drug. The Norvis Transderm Scop patch with 4 1.5mg patches gives blood levels of Scopolamine similar to several of the intravenous studies being done. The levels are delayed 8 hours.

A box of 4 costs me about $50 bucks and insurance doesn't cover it. I have used it twice about 3 months apart. Looking back it should have probably been ever 6 weeks.

My doctor tells me he has tried the scpomien patch on 8 people and had good results on 6 of us. One more initially had good results but relapsed in a week and the second patch didn't have good results.

In the past Webutrin and Efxor have had short term positive results. Sleep deprivation is the best treatment as long as only get 4 to 5 hours sleep a night. That worked until old age caught up with me and my heart start skipping beats unless I got more sleep. ATCH & steroids work very well for about a month before rage sets in. Vioxx seemed to help as do any anti-inflammatory drugs that really work. That may just be I am in a better mood when I hurt less.

Nothing but sleep deprivation has really worked. Fortunately I didn't require much sleep when I was younger. As a farmer I worked 16 to 18 hour days from the middle of May to the middle of September some years. When I work on computer program I work 16 hours a day 7 days a week so I don't get distracted by something else. One time I tried working 20 and sleeping 10. I got more work done but interacting with the outside world was difficult.

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Please don't commit suicide, my Father did about 20 years ago and it still hurts me to this day. You can't imagine how hard life is for those of us left behind unless you have been in my shoes. Everyone who cares for you will love with survivors guilt and depression for the rest of there lives. I will pray for you but PLEASE finda different alternative. Hang in there and God bless you.

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My next step is trying tDCS (Google to learn about). I found a kit online for under $200. I am cautiously optimistic.

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just get 8 patches try ...1.5mg each..i get posted..
I put one ...about 2 hhours ago..nothing so far..

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Morning nothing so far...no doference...but is to early I think...mabye a little less anxiety but nothig big...

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Put off the first patch....I m not shure is it placebo or I m feeling better...but the diference is there...nothing euforic..just calm down..a little more of energy and less negative thinking..now I ll put the second patch for 3-4 days..bye

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Hi Michael,
I know this is an older post of yours on the scopolamine or ketamine thread but hoping you still check in from time to time. Because I really wanted to thank u for taking the time to share your experience and knowledge on this topic, especially including contact information along with other treatment options. As u know how difficult just brushing ones teeth can be at this time let alone the ability to search for possible treatments. Thanks to everyone! Gives a little fight and hope back. After a few disappointing phone calls. I sure could use some recommendations for DR. psychiatrists in the L.A. area. As my doc is in o.c. Really pushing for more inpatient/outpatient etc. I would like a doc. that is open to other altern. Treatments along with a little hope would be nice. Thanks again keep us all posted on treatment results.

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I would like to know more about this Ketamine nasal spray offered by Dr Nancy Sabjen. How can I get a trial sample of it for my depression. My e-mail is {edited for privacy}.

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Scott I don't think you would gain anything from a sample of the nasal spray . Dr, Sajben works with you using a mixture of drugs including ketamine. Over a period of 2 months I gradually increased the dose and I imagine she May give me a stronger concentration on our next visit. It definitely does something. As I said I've noticed it's impact on OCD. I've posted a few times about the intranet nasal ketamine and no one but you has responded. It is subtle. It is much Leeds expensive. I am doing a regular regimen with it and I carry it with me.

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Thanks Ruth. Too bad not more is being reported about this usage if it helps. The only thing that works ok for me is the benzos ( Klonopin ). I tried the Scopolomine patch, but that just made me a little dizzy. Didn't do much. Hopefully the Ketamine becomes more popular. Glad it helps you. God bless. Scott

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Thank you Scott. I don't think I made it clear that Dr. Sajben closely monitors the ketamine for each person. Everyone has different needs and tolerances. It may well help you, it is just that a sample wouldn't be enough.

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Ruth. No I understand. Unfortunately having Kaiser doesn't do much good with these types of disorders. All they do is prescribe the current meds that they are allowed. Makes me wonder if anyone out there is really trying to find a cure or better medicines to help those of us who suffer daily. I wish I knew your doctor and they were located near southern California.

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Dear callie sorry for my bad english.
But i must ask you..what you did with derm scope and red mark that left when you put it of? Is the place bihaind the ear only terapeutic?

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I did the patch and it did nothing for me, a little crankier, same as Riluzole. But then again, I was in a clinical trial using Ketamine infusions and experienced 'the miracle'. So nothing can compare to that.

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Will special k help y on long track or ??

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How do you find and get into a clinical trial with ketamine ? I've tried every SNRI and SSRI over the past 30 years and I've run out of hope.

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Delboy,
I put the patch behind my ear(s) as instructed on the package, but frankly I think the reaction would've occurred no matter where I put the patch. I think I am allergic to the adhesive in it.
Callie

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I also break out in a rash where ever I place the patch. I find the rash is much easier to put up with than being seasick so I vote rash!

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I don't get around to often. my pdoc is finding the scopolamine works very, very well to get rid of suicidal episodes. It is much less effective with the long term effects of depression.

As an alkaloid scopolamine can cause some really wild side effects nausea, diarrhea, hallucinations, etc. Don't get any in your eyes after you put on a patch.

scopolamine is available over the counter in 1.5 & 2.0 mg Transderminal patches for
$22.50 NZD or $18.50 USD for 2 ea or $9.25 each
I pay about $55.00 USD for 4 ea.
Novartis 1.5mg Tradrmial patchs.
Add in $4.95 shipping and the New Zealand patches are $ 11.25 USD 81% the cost of a Novartis patch going down to 2/3d's the cost in lots of 5 boxs of 2 patches at $9.11 USD ea.

(((22.50)*0.82)/2)
[1] 9.225
(((22.50+4.95)*0.82)/2)
[1] 11.2545
(55/4)-(((22.50+4.95)*0.82)/2)
[1] 2.4955
100-fpercent(2.4955,13.75)
[1] 81.85

By 5 to get the price over $100 NZD making it:

(111.12*0.82)/10 # 0.82 coverts NZD to USD
[1] 9.11184 cost each nz patch
55/4
[1] 13.75
(55/4)-((111.12*0.82)/10)
[1] 4.63816
100-fpercent (4.63816,13.75)
[1] 66.27%

For me it does have an effect on depression that's hard to explain because it hard to notice. I just see things a little differtly after Iuse a patch. Even the style of the code I write a bit diffent and usuly better.

He related to me he had one elderly lady called him on a Friday in emanate threat of suicide near end of life but not really ready to go and more willing to kill her her self than go the hospital route. He prescribed a Scopolamine patch. She didn't call his 24 hour emergency line over the week end so he called her on Monday. She told him her depression wasn't better but she no longer thouht of suicide.

Since I knew 2 great grand mothers and great grand father born in the Civil war, my grand mother lived to be 104, mother made to 80 on cigarettes, whiskey and hardly eating, and dad died at 97 and had been ready to go for 3 years I expect suicide is a likely option for me when I can't care for myself. But it not a concern today.

My bother killed himself but a better choice in a wife makes life much better for me. Suicidal thoughts are a very good indicator of depressions for me as well.

Good luck
Red

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