Ketamine For Depression? (Page 16) (Top voted first)

It was recommended by the members of a separate thread that one be started that directly relates to ketamine and it's use to treat depression.

If anyone besides myself would like to discuss it's use as a treatment for depression, feel free to post your questions, answers and experiences here.

This thread is an offshoot of a related one that discussed a treatment of Scopolamine for depression.

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Thank you John for your reply..funny...I was just weighing the pros and cons of going to NYC for a round of infusions. Wondering if they would work for me certainly was a consideration because of the travel and the costs. I have and am trying to get into clinical studies...all of which seem to be in the North as well - which has been a disqualifer for me even if I can stay there for a required period of time....I am at my "normal" stage right now...had a deep depressive episode around christmas and through first weeks of Jan....then had a couple of great days, week...now am back to kinda of depressed...so, I go from depressed to normal and back. Never happy, never gleeful...many times looking for reasons to keep on truckin...lol. Mania seems like a luxury. Any more input, please let me know, Johh. I connected with you because of your sinus issues cause I have that problem as well. Polyps...dad had them too, but they always grew back if he had them removed. thats why I never did. I will look up anosmia...good luck to you and hope you feel well enough for surgery soon....Gleefully Yours....;)

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thanks..have heard of Fruitman and I have actually talked to Dr. Brooks in NYC...he recommends 4 infusions over 5 days at $460 each....unfortunately I have to return to Florida and have no idea yet if I can get the IM for maintenance in the event that the infusions do work....I am researching as fast as I can. Have you ever talked to Dr. Brooks on 51st St north of Times Square? Wonder how these two are different...what did fruitman charge for the infusion?

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Do you know of anyone that has tried the IM injections of ketamine? Are there any doctors or anesthesia RNs
In the Los Angeles area? I cannot afford the infusions.
Any advice would be very appreciated!

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Really, I spent years looking for a fix- try these three things and you should notice a big difference
1. take 10,000 iu vitamin d3 every day
2. eat one pound salmon a week
3. eat a cup of blueberries a day

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what did you find in so.ca.?

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Been to Best, he is a ripoff unless you have a lot of money, went there for 2 infusions, cost about 2 grand (1k apiece) , not something I could afford to maintain so I stopped. It took me 3 infusions before I felt 'the weight' gone, it was like all of a sudden my thought process did a complete 180, instead of negative thought process, I was completely positive, optimistic for the future, my 'words' came back, my intellect, sexual response, sense of humor and light-hearted attitude was back, perhaps even BETTER than before! Which stands to reason, because the Ketamine is proven to promote the development of neural connections, I saw a picture of , I think it was a neuron, it was just like a bare stick. And then, after being exposed to Ketamine for a certain amt of time , it looked like a Christmas tree, it grew new branches on the bare stick. I felt it. Amazing. Anyway, there is a doc named Joe Fanelli, friend of mine referred me, said he thinks 'outside the box.' Fanelli used to be in Elmhurst, but now he is in East Chicago, IN. I saw him a couple weeks ago, he went to this hospital there,mod you know how ugly East Chicago is? And smelly? Anyhoo, waited hour and a half to see him so by that time I had to leave pretty quick, but we spoke for a few minutes. He is in that godawful hood because this hospital, St Catherine, St Elizabeth, I forget. But he has carte blanche to open a clinic there, using so-called experimental drugs like Ketamine infusions to help people like us. That's why he left beautiful Elmhurst for Godforsaken East Chicago- to become a trail-blazing pdoc to treat depression with new therapies. Really nice guy, problem is I knew WAY more about what other docs are doing, clinical study protocols, etc. thinkink of asking him for a job, but no frikken way do I want to move THERE! Give him a call and get an appt., he spends a lot of time w/each pt, that's why I waited so long. Gonna go see him again, takes about a month for appt. I will give permission for you to privately email me, so I can tell you more if you wish...

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I have all of the cognitive deficits you have mentioned. I don't look sick when I doll up and can speak fairly well, so I'm a good 'show pony'. But I cannot keep the job because information doesn't 'stick'. I can't learn, can't retain. It makes me too sad to speak any more of it, my life has been ruined, just got done explaining to my ex about getting a job, a-hole was with me when I had my last job, he saw how I worked my ASS off to keep up, but I got fired anyway, and he is telling me 'get a job' treating me like I am a loser and pissed.WTF? Just sucks...

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@ Robert , @888- I have posted replies. @ Emma- your regimen of vitamin-salmon-blueberries sounds EXTREMELY simplistic. How did you arrive at this particular solution for TRD cure? How many different psych meds have you tried over the years? Thanks.

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Using ketamine for depression IM Intramuscular has the same result of using it by IV Intravenous?

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I am not sure of the answer, as I only have experienced remission from the IV infusions. But it stands to reason if it is getting into the bloodstream directly, then why wouldn't it work just as well? But I cannot say for a fact that it does, I am currently doing research on this, when and if I get a definitive answer, I will post. Some were asking about Pain Docs doing infusions for depression as well. I went to one doc in Chicago area, I do have pain, but she said I didn't have the particular syndrome that require infusions and foolishly I didn't ask about use for depression. She was rather intimidating, I have a feeling she wouldn't be game.

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Hi Paula,

I live in Chicago as well and was interesting seeing Best. Thank you for steering me away. I'm glad I didn't consult with him further given his exorbitant fee structure. He of course performs rTMS as part of his treatment protocol, but I'm not a believer in it after giving it a go a few years ago. I'd like to connect over email if possible to chat further.

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Yes James, I will be glad to give admin. permission for you to email me personally, it takes a few days for them to get back, so keep that in mind. I have found out about some other meds in my research, will be posting later about them cuz in a hurry right now..

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Thanks Paula. Not sure what steps are needed to be taken on my part to have permission to share emails. I tried looking in the admin area of the site but to no avail. Please let me know if it's something in my court I need to submit first.

Looking forward to chatting further.

JB

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@James B - please email again, lost first one, been in kinda bad place for the last week, sorry.

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I have an appt. for next Friday with Doc that is game for using Ketamine infusions. Just got out of the Hospital, newly diagnosed with bipolar, personality disorder and extreme anxiety. A drug that has really helped me is Geodon, helps with the depression but not anxiety. The intensive therapy has also helped with the depression, but the Ketamine infusions are the Gold Standard IMHO. The personality thing needs therapy, but the other 2 REALLY responded to the infusions. I used myself as a guinea pig for Pharmaceutical Ketamine I.M. Injections of 50 mg, (I am an R.N. for 18 years, don't try this at home, kids) 1 time per day for a little while but did not have the same effect as the infusions. I will report back after my visit to the new doc.

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Can anyone tell me if there are any docs in FLORIDA who are willing to do Ketamine for depression? I am in Orlando and there are none here as far as I know. Also..wonder if ketamine helps with PTSD as well.....

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Thank you so much JimmyJam, as it turns out, Dr. Best's office finally sent me their New Patient info sheet today and guess what? In addition to the $340 initial consult, $325 for ketamine, and $325 for the anesthesiologist, apparently they also want me to cough up $517 for an EEG and $2218 for a Brain SPECT. I never would have known about this before the initial consult if I hadn't called and asked them to send me the info, which was supposed to be sent yesterday and somehow wasn't attached. I truly appreciate your input; I don't think this is going to work out with this dr. anyway. P.S. Have you found anything that helps?? I hope so.

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Update, my p-doc strongly suggested I see Dr. Best after all, he does not think the EEG or Brain SPECT will definitely be necessary, which is what Best's office also told me. So I am going to the initial consult. P-doc said Best is kind of a geek and that might rub people the wrong way, but that he truly cares and he does a lot of cutting edge stuff. I totally trust my p-doc and have some hope, not 100% but SOME, that things are moving in the right direction.

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I HAD THE EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE!!!
I DID NOT KNOW IF THAT WAS HOW IT WAS FOR EVERYONE. NOR CAN I UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS A CONTROLLED "CLUB DRUG", IF IT IS NOT ENJOYABLE. I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME!!

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Hello Em. It is almost a year ago that you posted and I wondered if you ever got relief. I understand the suffering you experience. One of the worst parts of being the family member who is the lost soul is going into agreement with their negative opinion of you. Did you ever try the ketamine? I will try the intranasal k next thursday.

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