Heroin 4-5 Hrs After Suboxone?? (Page 3)

Any1 know if it's okay to take heroin say 4-5 hrs AFTER having taken my first dose - 6 decidedly inadequate mgs - of suboxone?

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From my experience, it all depends... usually 8-12 hours at the soonest. This is what I do for example, I use heroin all day and I sleep at 1AM. I wake up at 10AM. I use subs. Ill be fine. If you do it that way, youll be golden all the time.

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I took about 6mgs of sub when I was uh moderate withdrawal according to the COWS exam I felt a little better but not completely..I waited about 6 hours and did took other medications..it's not been about 24 hours since I took the sub and want to know if it's safe to take more sub or it will put me in withdrawals.

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April, ur supposed to wait 12 hrs after doing the drug to take a sub. It doesnt matter how long ago u took the first sub. Subs within 12 hrs of a drug is what makes people sick. Maybe 6 is not the right dose for u. I myself was on 8 twice a day. Hope this helps. Good luck and god bless.

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You guys are giving pretty false info. A lot of factors play into the equation. First, how much and how long you've been using suboxone. The ratio is 4 to 1 bup to nalaxone. Nalaxone is the blocker and its half life is very short lived. I'm not going to break it all down for you cuz the info is out there. I will put in short for ya, yes you can feel opiates after even just a few hours of taking nalaxone. I know 100% because I've done it many times on a regular basis. It just depends how much youve done and how long you've been doing it. I wouldn't say immediately after doing a sub.. because supposedly the rule of thumb is 4mg =1 hour of blockage basically. All people are different tho but there ya go

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Before u try to insult intelligence, know what u r responding to. The thing on here last asked about was taking subs after a drug, not the other way around. If ur responding to the origional post, why? Did u see how long ago that was? Please dont jump on a forum n talk if ur not going to talk of the current issues. Thanks from all of us that have been here from the begining.

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That was the most inspiring and truthful answer I've ever seen anyone give. I appreciate how you answered and how much info u gave because it helped in everyway possible. Thank you so much for your advice.

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This is true, I took 4 mgs of suboxone and 24 hours later, went to use heroin, nd hardly felt anything at all, very dissappointing.

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I'm trying to find out how both of my sons can do heroin, methadone, and oxy's and get a clean urine test within twenty four hours of using. It's happen numerous times with them both. They are both clean now but I'm very curious how this is possible. I have googled it but I'm not getting any answers. Everywhere I look it says four or five days. My sons have both come back clean before 24 hours. One time my son was high on oxy's and I took him to the e.r. And they said there wasn't any opioids in his system ? Blood or urine.

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Just to clarify. She said SUBUTEX not suboxone. Subutex is pure Buprenorphine with no Naloxone. Hard to get ahold of and usually only given to pregnant or bread feeding women! But he could easily sell his pills to support his habit and then clean up before doctor appointment. Start paying attention to his behavior. Look up opiate withdrawal online. Sooner or later, he will display symptoms. If he is doing this, I feel bad. I am going through it now myself. It's so hard to go through three days of withdrawal when you have a school
And work. My heart goes out to you.

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Chemicly, im wondering what ur talking about? I have searched thru this forum and have found no one talking about subutex at all. Can u be specific on whos post were trying to comment on? Ive been apart of this one a while, under a few names depending on which device im on but either way im trying to find out who u say made a wront post of subu vs subo? And who u were clarifying info for. Thanks for the feed back. Have a good one :-)

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You will test positive for heroin. Doesn't matter if you took subs. You'll come up for both.

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I took 16mgs of suboxone at 12 and it sent me into withdrawel. I was sick throwing up ect. And didn't know what to do so bought some dope and sniffed it. Will it help my sickness? And will I still feel it

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You missed the question entirely, while your info is helpful, he asked how long AFTER doing suboxone he can do some other drug and feel it. If you take suboxone then a few hours later try to get high most likely you won't because if the naloxone blocker, or if you do you'll need about 5x the amount you'd normally use. But yes waiting to take suboxone until you are actually sick is true, taking SUBOXONE after getting high is different than taking some before you get high.

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J, yes if u do enouph it will help ur sicckness but it will take triple ur normal amount to do so but u never take subs after any drug until u r in wd cause it will make u very sick every time. If u r trying to get on subs, wait till in withdrawl n take it. If u get sick, which if atleast 12 hrs after the drug u shouldnt but stick it out. Lasts bout 30 min n then take ur next does of subs when ur supposed to n ull be fine. I know thhat sickness is hell on earth. Ive been thru it.

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SMH - Subs have been around for over a decade and STILL the same incorrect info is beimg passed around. First, the Naloxone in subs is NOT active when taken as prescribed, under the tounge since it is destroyed by the liver. It is only active if you IV it and its half life is about 20 minutes. Second, naloxone does not precipitate withdrawals. The bupe does because of its higher binding affinity to opiate receptors. The bupe will knock off any dope that remains on your receptors and toss you into withdrawal. The length of time this lasts varies on the type of opiate youre addicted to and the amount youve been doing. Someone, like me who gets strung on a six to ten bag a day H habit will have precipitated withdrawals for about a half hour if I IV 4mg of Subs too early. If I snort or take it under the tounge, the onset of the PW is longer and lasts an hour. Ive been going back and forth between Subs and H for two years. I ALWAYS intentionally precipiate withdrawal via IV suboxone because I'd rather deal with a half hour of hell than 24(+) hours of feeling creepy and half s***ty.

Third, if you stay on a low dose of Subs, 1-2 mg a day, sublingual - you can still get off on your dope. It may take a little more the first 24 hours since your last Sub dose, but youll still feel it. The key is maintaining LOW doses of subs. Less is more. I do 1/2 a mg in the AM and another 1/2 in the PM and that keeps me solid and able to do a bag and get off. The general rule is to keep a blood plasma level of 3mg or less in your system, which is equivalent to 30mg or so of morphine or 1-2 Camden NJ bags.

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I have a question. After someone who has injected herion then given liquid cough medicine, is that to try to reverse of a potential overdose on herion?

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Badger, don't listen to the a little addicted guy that replied to your lost. You said that he is on Subutex, which is buprenorphine without naloxone. Repeat, no naloxone. Many addiction docs will starr their patiesince on Subutex for 3 days, before changing them over to Suboxone. They do this because the know that your mu are filled with opiate. So if your gut feeling is that he is using again, then he probably is. And, since Subutex can be prescribed by a general practioner, or even PA, it is highly unlikely that he is getting piss tested. Addiction docs administer a urinalysis at least once a week to #1 ensure there aren't any illicit drugs, and #2 ensure you have suboxone in you system. So my suggestion to you is to tell him that you want to know and understand more about his addiction because you love him and want to help. Ask him for tje prescribing physician's phone number... Then call the doc and tell him your conerns. He won't tell you anything because of HIPPA, but I guarantee you he will pay closer attention to him, and start piss testing him, if he hasn't already. As for the other guy that posres a reply to your question... Dude, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't give advice. These are real people... And potentially life and death situations... Or in this case, a family hanging in the balance. I can't stand when people know only enough to make them dangerous. Aboit 6 years ago I lost my wife, kids, well paying career, house and my dignity and pride. I am just starting to rebuild... My point is, people come to these forums for help... And I see people post replies thay are misinformed and ignorant, or others of you judging people for slipping.

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Your totally wrong about being able to feel high on subutex because it has no blocker because its got no naloxone in it, subutex still blocks h, buprenorphine has the highest binding affinity to the opiate receptors so any h you take won't bind to the receptors and be useless ,,,,suboxone is used instead of subutex to stop people hitting it up, but the blocking effect comes from the subutex itself....I have used on top of pure subutex many times and it always blocks gear for 12-24 hours suboxone tabs are even stronger at blocking h

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wrong. This may be the information you found on the web, but i can tell you from experience this is not always the case. Everyone is different and it is very dose dependant. If you've only taken something like 2mg, you can still do your opiate of choice any time after, even only a couple hrs, but you will have to do a bit more to feel it, and must be careful you are not going into the overdose range, as the suboxone will keep you from feeling the full effects of the opiate of your choosing. As far as taking suboxone after your opiate, it depends on your opiate of choice, the amount taken, and your metabolismt. I have a fast metabolism, so after i take some heroin, regardless of the amount, 12 hrs is the longest i have to wait to take suboxone. Subutex, on the other hand, does not contain the opiate blocker. I have never gotten any precipitated withdrawals from subutex, and have taken quite a bit while still high on other opiates without any negative symptoms. Again just proceed with caution cuz then you're combining two heavy CNS depressants. This combination in my experience is safer than with suboxone though, because you can feel both opiates and can therefore more safely gauge your dosage. Be safe!

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correct I think you have miss red what I have said and I can tell you 'from experience' that both subutex and suboxone block h ...regardless of having naloxone in it....that was my point, yes if you take a low dose like 2mg you will be able to feel high still off h but it won't be as satisfying high as normal just don't take h then subutex soon after, you will go into precipitated withdrawal and yes I said subutex (pure buprenorphine)will throw you into withdrawal,this guy here who has just said pure buprenorphine is fine to mix with gear an take on top of H without any withdrawal conciquence is completely wrong an he has made the usual newbie mistake of thinking because there is no naloxone in the subutex it it won't act as a blocker (COMPLETELY WRONG) trust me its a medical fact not only that im talking from 'experience' as well take subutex on top of H an you will soon find out the hard way that this person is giving out the wrong info and your precipitated withdrawal will be horrendous like nothing you have ever felt this is not nice, an if you think that's bad try a 50mg pure naltrexone tab after gear your supposed to sedated heavily before doing this...its called a detox 5 hear in UK I did it without being knocked out for 5 days because my older bro forced one down my throat ...even worse, than subutex suboxone precipitated withdrawal ..straight 15hr pure cluck piss an s*** yourself think you gonna die cluck pass out from pain etc shock cluck but, totally clean within 15hrs it pushes it out all of your body at a rate that can kill you and has killed people from heart attack an also shock, I was lucky, back to subutex, I was one of the first people to be prescribed it in the UK from a private Dr back in around 2000 or 2002 can't remember the exact year but It was still in test faze so I have lots of experience with it and knjow what I'm talking about, basically when you feell your clucking withdrawing you take your subutex I've taken sub's iv 4 hrs after h an was fine an another time took it 10 hrs after h an was thrown into withdrawal badly just depends on the strength of the gear you've had ...just last week i took 8mg of subutex... not suboxone but subutex, 2 hrs later had a hit of h and I got no hit what so ever off it, I waited 15 hrs an had 40mg of diazipam waited for them to kick in then had h an got a nice hit, I get very frustrate d with people on here giving out miss information so to clear things up...subutex is buprenorphine on its own, it still blocks h an opiates you can take subutex then take h on top and you won't feel ill or be thrown into withdrawal you just wont get a hit thats it but if you take H or another strong opiate then take subutex on top of that gear while your still goofing out, the subutex will kick the H or gear off your receptors and throw you into a horrific withdrawal, anyone who tells you different doesn't know what they are talking about yes some people have taken it a few hours after a hit an have been fine so they say, suboxone tabs are buprenorphine with naltrexone in them for example 8mg suboxone has 2mg of naloxone (naltrexone) the naltrexone is in there more so to stop people injecting the tabs as buprenorphine does the blocking of any other opiateas you may take on top, subutex has the highest and longest lasting binding affinity to your opiate receptors than any other opiate so once you have taken it it will bind so tightly to your receptors that nothing else can kick it off or get into them to get you high its like the school bully that can kick anyone off its lunch table an no one else can kick him off subutex/suboxone is the easiest of opiates to come off, I'm sure many will disagree we are all different, but trust me donne properly its virtually painless especially compared to methadone, I was on 175 mg of methodone for 7 years and done a cluck straight stopped on 60mg boy was I ill 20 straight days until I felt normal physically 12 straight days no sleep listening to some fat over weight f*** snore his fat fahead lazy greedy fat head off every night ...made me nuts...anyway I'm telling you if you come dow n to 0.01mg correctly then off you barely feel a thing, subutex is a great drug to detox on ...hard to get started on an to mess around on but easy to come off where as methadone is the opposite easy to get on an easy to mess around on (use) but a evil b**** to come off. people also say subutex doesn't rot your teeth like methadone but this is bulls*** methadone its self doesn't rot your teeth its people not looking after there teeth or them self's for that matter, but also it drys your mouth out so at night while you sleep you have a dry mouth so bacteria eats at your teeth and gums more along with smack heads not brushing there teeth = bad combination ...keep hydrated at night an water by your bed anyway that's my two cents over with

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