Heroin 4-5 Hrs After Suboxone?? (Top voted first)

Any1 know if it's okay to take heroin say 4-5 hrs AFTER having taken my first dose - 6 decidedly inadequate mgs - of suboxone?

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Verwons answer to this is 100% incorrect. Sigh, I wish, before people answer someones' question they would know what the hell they are talking about. When a question arises, esp one concerning your health &/or something as serious as withdrawals, my first tip would be to research, research & research. The internet is a good place for this. just consider where the inormation or knowledge is coming from, what is,if any,a potential agenda & don't believe every tom, dick & Verwon...Whether it be suboxone or subutex you must wait 12-24 hours since your last vike,oxy,shot etc. Sometimes you have to wait as long as 36 hrs to take either sub after methadone. If you take either subs before you are in withdrawal you risk going into something called precipitated withdrawal which is painful, nightmarish & excruciating. How can one be perfectly safe & know EXACTLY when (between the 12 to 24 hr period)they are in appropriate withdrawal to take suboxone or subutex? Type in COWS on the internet, it stands for clinical opiate withdrawal scale, upon examination of said scale you will then be able to properly gage your level of withdrawal & are then able to take your first dose of either sub. If you have suboxone you must wait(& again COWS wil help you determine this)to take it until you are in moderate to severe withdrawal. If you are in possesion of subutex(COWS once again shall help determine this)you must wait until you are in mild to moderate withdrawal. And, once more just to reiterate,whether mild or severe withdrawal symptoms, do not take either until 12-24 hrs since your last opiate. Very common out there/here,all around the internet is all the disinformation when it comes to the taking of the subs & the harm(or harmless)it may or may not cause before or after opiate intake. I have said this before & I hope I dont have to keep saying this too much longer...All the above info I have given in this reply is absolutely correct. However, let me comment on this sort of ill informed hysteria about people using vicodin, oxys,roxys,heroin etc. after they have dosed with suboxone or subutex. This is not unsafe, harmful or dangerous nor will it cause you to go into precipitated withdrawal(only the OTHER way around). You could (if so desired) take a few pills or shoot up some heroin even an hour after doing either sub. Now because the bupe in both has filled in so may receptors it would be difficult to get high esp the high that you would like or are used to getting. as a very general rule it usually takes at least 24 hrs, 36 is better, to really feel your opiate D.O.C. in any strong, enjoyable way.

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I have taken suboxone in the past to get off roxys. I bought 3 8Mg strips. I took 1 the first day the second i cut 1in half and did half the second day and half the 3rd day. I did the same thing day 4 and by day 5 i no longer needed the last half. I stayed clean a couple months and went back to the opiates. This time i switched to hydromorphone (dilaudid). Ive been back on them for over a year. Now i bought 2 strips and 2 pills. I did my last 2 pills last night, woke up early for a job interview and took a whole strip. After my interview, i went to town and boight another k8 (dilaudid). NOTE. i took the suboxone around 9 or 930 am. Anyways, i come home and wait and wait some more deeply regreting taking the suboxone because i wanted that k8 in my veins soooo bad. Finally, at about quarter to 5, just a few minutes ago, i couldnt take it anymore, hence "addicted", so i put 1/2 of my little peice of heaven into my spoon, drawed it up and did it. I got a rush, although not as strong as usual, it worked. I am 130 lbs, 5'5" and the suboxone has been in my system for roughly 8 hours. I dont know if my experience can give anyone clarity, but i dont feel sick and i DO feel the opiates. Im struggling with my addiction because its hard work finding pills sometimes. I know i will get off them...again, but living in THE pill mill state, its only a matter of time before i will be back to playin arm darts after i get clean. Btw F%#k FLORIDA! moving to Florida is what got me addicted in the first place, and yes i, know i should relocate but unless your putting money in my pocket, i think you should leave those opinions to yourselves. Thank you, and i hope this helps someone.
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Look I've been taking suboxone since January 09. I was a bad heroin addict and had been clean for about 6 months and believe or not stopped to grab a soda at a bodega on my way home one night and found 3 subs wrapped in cigarette cellophane. Now I don't know about anywhere else but in Philly suboxone are easy as dope to get there hundreds and hundreds of doctors who prescribe them. Now after you pay the $150 to see the doc every month welfare charges you $1 for 90 8mg subs, which can be filled every 25 days. There is a specific corner right under the el where junkies sell Em 25/8...Lol 24/7 I was just trying to emphasize how available they are. Anyway I found them and knew a lot about em because that's how I would kick in the past or if for whatever reason didn't save 2 bags for the morning I always kept a few of them as backup. They are $10 all day on the streets and will keep you well longer then a bag. So that night I took one and I was f***in mangled! BENT! TWISTED! To the point I was nodding but still didn't sleep that night but got up for work the next day and felt like a million bucks like I slept all night.

So that was then this is now. A few times I would get bored and not take em for a few days even went a week cold turkey and the worst withdrawal I got was restless legs and trouble sleeping which ain't s*** compared to dope. Now to your issue I have also gotten bored stopped for a few days and then taken dope for a couple weeks then right before I lost control started subs again. I've tapered myself I've done a ton of my own experiments. They are a favorite of ppl in recovery house because most are to cheap to buy the sub test strip. Now u e been on and off doing this dope which is as good as it was 6 months ago which is odd. Now I'll take a half of sub at 2:30 when I get to work (passed their initial drug test at a hospital to get this job all while taking subs) then I go grab a bag on my 6:30 lunch and I'm bent EVERY TIME! I am very hyper with a high metabolism. 29 yrs old 6 ft 2 160 been that height and weight since high school. Now today (MERRY CHRISTMAS MY SUBOXONE FRIENDS.!) Now I'm not bragging just stating facts so that people will stop giving false info because everybody's biological clock is different.

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Lola you are right to wait 24 hours to take sub but that's not the question. it's reversed. see he wants to know how long to wait to take h after already taking the sub. in other words sub is in his system and he wants to know when the blocker agent wares off.

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YOU GO LOLA!!! U ARE 100% CORRECT!!!!

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Suboxone has naxolone in it which is supposed to block the heroin from u getting high nothing else. U will test dirty the same as with out suboxone

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Hi I am tryin to kick H. I am taking suboxone and am on tasc. My question is if I'm taking suboxone and then take H. About 30-45 min later I know I won't feel the effect but will the H. show up on a drug test? I'm doing this to try and releve the stress of quiting. I know it's not smart but mentally it is helping I'm not having any bad reactions from doing this I'm just worried about showing up dirty on my drug testing. Does anyone have any legit knowledge that ill be dirty or clean if I'm smoking after I take my 8mg suboxone dose?

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Basically you said the same thing 24-36 hours like i said 4 hours per mg so 8 mg suboxone =32 hrs

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I relapsed on heroin after taking subs now I am worrying I am going to overdose - I do not feel good. will I be ok?

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the op was asking about using a full agonist opiate heroin after he already took 6 mg of suboxone beforehand. Precipitated withdrawal is only recieved when going from a full agonist to partial agonist so heroin to suboxone no precipitated withdrawal will be recieved going from suboxone to heroin. now the question is whether you can an the answer is yes but theyre will be a few issues with this you have to check. One being the amount of time 4 hours afterwards is rather short amount of time after just taking 6mg of sub. but you also stated inadequate amount assumibly a dose that did not completly take away withdrawals. and if it didnt completly take away withdrawal then your receptors arent completly full. so i believe that 4 or 5 hours is a good amount of time after to take the heroin. but a few other things to add first the high might not be a strong because even though you felt the dose was inadequite it still could have some of the receptors taken by suboxone. so if you keep trying to get higher and higher and you cant its because of the suboxone still in your system. So be carefull when using full agonist while on or coming of partial agonist like suboxone.personally ive used heroin and suboxone in the same day for multiply weeks in a row. id just does my suboxone in the morning which was between .5 and 2mg and simetimes id even start using like an hour after i took my dose. didnt hit me real hard soon after taking it but the longer ya wait the more intense the effects will become. the days that i wouldnt use till 7 or soin the evening id feel a stronger effect than when i would use almost immediatly after.

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You wouldn't ask that question if you were an addict. An addict will stop at nothing to get the feeling they are looking for whether it be comfort from one opiate or another. That's why someone might take a sub and still think about herion/opiates. Think twice before asking a question without any thought to it. There are a lot of people as you put it "dancing with the devil," but unwillingly. I myself took subs and felt so horrible I thought a bag would help. So to answer your question, it's bc its a struggle and it will never be easy. Any more brain busters?

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If u take say 4 mgs of sub U can feel euphoric effects 9-12 hours later. As long as Ur receptors aren't fully occupied IE a dose of 4mg or under 10 hours ago U can still feel euphoric effects. So enough with this 25-48 hours bulls***.

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you will have to wait before taking the suboxone again. but not too long id say 8-16 12 would be your average. just wait till you feel slight withdrawal symptoms kick in. im talking sweaty anxious no need to wait till your puking and ahit your brains out. just enough discomfort to where you feel you need it. 12 is my go to ao if i use at 10 pm the night before i just wait till at least 10am. and you should be good to go. if your still worried about precip withdrawal you can take 2 mg at a time every hour till you feel the withdrawals subsiding.

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If you're going to rant about people not knowing what they're talking about, please read the question. OF COURSE you wait to take bupe/subs after heroin. The question is how long after taking a sub, can you take heroin. Please read the question correctly. Especially if you're going to give a smart ass answer lol you can do opiates after subs, you just won't feel it and should be very careful. You will not withdrawal but could OD if not careful. I urge you to do exactly what you told others and read carefully and research. Thanks :)

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I've been taking sub's since Saturday night. 1, 8mg every morning at 7am before work. Its now about 4pm, would it be alright if I took a .1 or would that just make me sick or start my whole withdrawal process over? Or is .1 in a 4 day gap not that big of a deal? Don't plan on having it again after this.

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I started 8mg of suboxone 24 hours ago and had another 18 hours ago. It gave me severe head aches, insomnia(due to head aches) but generally helped my mild w/drawls. I have been banging Dilaudid 8mg x 2 every 4 hours for 6 months. Pain is real the introduction to my body is addictive behavior but I'll deal with that soon enough. Any way my question is My doc gave me a new script for Dillies do to head aches and I want to bang a couple, due to hours since sub was administered above is 17 hours ago and counting enough time to get off. Thanks

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Yeah, you will have the heroin in your system. It just won't bind to your receptors. That's the part that makes you feel it.

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I take 80mg OC, about 5 times daily, a pill each time. (Yes they are real OCs, not OPs). Took a half of a suboxone, and ended up taking OC about 30 minutes later. I couldn't even tell I had taken the sub. Later I mentioned it to a friend and he was amazed that I had felt reilef after taking the sub. So I got on here to do a little research and it seems people have different results, i have still to come across someone who has felt nothing after using after taking a sub. Just less powerful in some cases.

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Been taking Herion for 4 plus years, never switched to the points, some would say I'm loyal to the foil. I want out of being a slave to this drug but that battle has just begun. Probably quit a handful of times when I used pills before and at one point had a year clean before switching to H. Now 4 years later im trying subs. I'm taking 8mg subs half in the morning half at night before bed. Helps me sleep which in the first couple days of quitting can be near impossible. And by 3 days of 8 mg subs I usually don't need a 4th day. I'll power thru whatever's left for my body to go thru. But now I'm in a different boat. I was kicking pretty bad this morning, by 8 am took half 8mg sub and took other half at 1pm I'm still uncomfortable to all hell bought a bag and have been staring at it for two hours now. When can I use it?

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Hello tone I have some questions for you. I have been abusing drugs for almost 2 years now it is now February of 2015. I quit for about 3 weeks in June - July 2014 and I have been taking subs and still smoking dope. I'm wondering if I stop smokingandcontinue to take the subs will I get withdrawals. Some days I would forget the take the subs and take them a few days later mind u still smoking multiple times a day. And I wouldnt get sick. Is this because the 8mg subs isn't enough for the h in my system. Plz help me

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