Heroin 4-5 Hrs After Suboxone?? (Page 7) (Top voted first)

Any1 know if it's okay to take heroin say 4-5 hrs AFTER having taken my first dose - 6 decidedly inadequate mgs - of suboxone?

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Ive just switched over from 25ml methadone to subutex first dose 4mg tues 8yestday in feeling terrible i used heroin yesterday took my subutex hours later and was very ill. I realy wants to sucseed but so hard...anyone any tips Thanks

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Took 12mg of suboxone 10.5 hours after using heroin. Withdraw prior to sub was moderate. Did not go into PWD's after taking sub. Definitely felt the effects of the sub. No problems here.

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That's if you don't DIE first!! The way you make sure to describe every detail makes me think you're just wanting others to follow suit and continue their addiction or start back up again!!

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The naloxone in suboxone is not what prevents effect from other opiates it is the buepronorphine. The naloxone was put in originally to prevent intro venous use of suboxone but has been rendered ineffective due to the high binding ability of the buepronorphine to mu receptors.

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Lola is 1000% correct on ALL the info she gave you. Although, I do believe you are asking WHEN is it ok to take heroin AFTER taking suboxone. What Lola described was taking sub after taking any other kind of narcotic ( heroin is a narcotic). I am not judging you but why are you even taking the sub if you still want to use heroin? I don't know what happens in your case except that it takes a far greater amount of a narcotic to feel high when you are taking suboxone, naltrexone or any of the like. There in lies the danger of overdose. I am thinking that taking suboxone and then IV'ing heroin will cause precipitated Withdrawal but I'm not sure. I do not have experience with these drugs. Google exactly what you want to know....IE: how long after taking a dose of _____mg suboxone can you use heroin.....which I'm assuming that is what you want to do. But, be careful what websites you read and follow as there is a lot of misinformation out there. Look at actual medical websites such as those with knowledge of narcotic treatment. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help...I basically just wanted to tell you that Lola knows her stuff...listen to her.

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Thank you, Michael. I wasn't too sure of using an opiate AFTER sub but I do know that if you are not in opiate withdrawl before starting suboxone you will most likely go into precipitated wd's. From what I hear, it is pure hell! I also know that if a person is on suboxone and, for instance, was in a car accident, the doc can give enough of an opiate to override the sub to afford pain relief....but, it is extremely dangerous if you don't know how much you can take to do the override.

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Why bother taking subs if your still gonna mess around? You're dancing with the devil.

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I have a question. After someone who has injected herion then given liquid cough medicine, is that to try to reverse of a potential overdose on herion?

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why would you be on suboxone if you still want to use the herion? that is pointless - i thought the reason to take subs was to get off of herion

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you will go to incent With draw you have to wait at least 2 to 3 days I know lots of people that have done it

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Before u try to insult intelligence, know what u r responding to. The thing on here last asked about was taking subs after a drug, not the other way around. If ur responding to the origional post, why? Did u see how long ago that was? Please dont jump on a forum n talk if ur not going to talk of the current issues. Thanks from all of us that have been here from the begining.

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I am wondering about the subs. You seem to be the most knowing person in a forum i have seen and by this i mean your facts as well as sarcastic attitude towards people and the facts lets me know that you know your ish. So that being said, here is my story and i want any advice or facts you can give on my situation, with a very big PLEASE at the end. Please try to follow this, its confusing in parts but in the end, i am addicted to opiates....plain truth with a little explination. My oldests sons father and i used to take 5 mg percs and do crazy cute stuff like feed ducks and go play at toys r us cause we would feel all lovey dovey and cute and all that towards each other. That was back in like 2005-2007. That was not a problem. It was only if we got some from an actual injury or something, every once in a while over that span, never anything else. But that introduced me to taking them without needing to. Then in 2008 i had acl replacement, i was given percs before surgery for the pain i was in. I had takin more than needed at that time but was in real pain, i guess would take 2 when only 1 was needed. I gradually stopped taking them after surgery but deff knew i liked em then. So in 2009 i had stopped cause the new year came n went during recovery of knee. So in 2010, i was still doing physical therapy for my acl. They had me do this one move that from that moment forward my back and upper thigh have never been the same. I can replicate the move but thus far no doc has asked me too, (that in itself would be helpful to see if i were them). So i had been in pain periodically since that, no one knew why. They did nerve tests n stuff, mri, things like that. Well i also had gastric bypass in 2010. Had pain meds after that too, and actually docs had been giving me a few here n there after that due to that back and leg pain, while trying to figure it out. I did go to a pain managment doc and he did the mri actually, found one punged disc (sticking out). He did like 2 injections, they did nothing. Found i was pregnant later that year, pm would no longer see me. I found a regular doc that would provide pm for me. He also tried me on so many other things besides narcs like nerve meds trying hard to find the problem being that my leg was most of the pain at that point. Then he had to keep raising my narc level as i told him it wasnt working anymore. Now i can be honest here, im not sure if it wasnt working for the pain anymore or for my euphoria feeling. So when he said he would not see me anymore that i had to go to a pregnancy specialist, perinatology, i was at 80 mg oxy 2 times a day with 10 mg percs every 4 hrs. Now i do have to say that doc had built me up to that but was going by my pain level i was saying, he did see me every week cause of being pregnant and once we had started on the meds, well, actually i was on them when i came to him, just not much, he said it would be too risky to the baby to take me off just like that. But he was worried about the high level i was taking and wanted me with a specialist so discharged me from him. Also during seeing him i did try to stop cold turkey not knowing what a withdrawl was and OMG. Its hell on earth. Went through it about 24 hrs. Others know what im talking about. Thought i was gona die or wanted to. Went back and saw that doc when he was seeing me and he told me why i was feeling that way and told me my body was dependent. So on to the peri....he told me he would not keep writing these drugs for me, i had to go to a methadone treatment clinic (out patient). It was an hr away. But in fear of withdrawl again and my baby, i did it. So for a month i paid the money and traveled with my eldest the hr every day to dose. Then after a month, the peri called my bluff, he wanted to see how serious i was and when he saw i was, he then wrote scripts for methadone tablets every week for me. I took 80 mg a day to maintain me during pregnancy. We knew the baby might come out with dependence issues and need to be weined and all that. I hated it but at that point what was i to do. I didnt know the effects or anything of this poisoness drug until i was already all in. So i have my baby, the only problem he had was not keeping food down, so he did go in the nicu for 7 days cause he had dropped too much birth weight. The peri continued to see me for the next 3 months and dropped my dose each week. If i had to skip one week cause things were hard, he was understanding, but i was very serious about it and pushed myself. So in the last two weeks he gave me my last script and said i need you to wein yourself done in the next two weeks. At the same time as weining he also gave me chlonidine to help with blood pressur and keeping calm and all that it can do for you. It helps opiate users detox actually, if you read up on it. And also amitriptyline for sleep and restless leg syndrome. So after the two weeks i came to see him one last time and also brought him a script that an old doc gave me for 80 mg oxys that i could have filled at any time but the point was to give it to this man who saved my life. I was so proud to hand it to him and let him know he was the reason i didnt need it. And i thanked him soooo much. And in case anyone wants to know, i have medicaid and the methadone clinics dont take it but the perinatologist does and the ins does cover methadone written by a doctor. Its the methadone clinics that choose not to take medicaid. But medicaid will also cover a suboxone clinic, just not the initial visit of intake, but the visits and meds therafter. Okayyyyy, so im at home with my husband, new baby and eldest son, for about a year, opi free for that long. Then out of nowhere my back starts hurting and over time its more frequent and worse. I have an mri done. Wait wait, since being a gastric bypass patient, i cant take otc stuff besides tylenol. I cant have anything with NSAIDS. that includes advil, ibprophen, motrin, all of that, anything for inflamation, cant have. So im already limited. Tramadol didnt work then either. So the mri shows 2 punged discs, a hurniated disc, a piece of disc floating not attached, but not too big of an issue, arthritis on a disc and i probably have a bad si joint but they cant tell exactly. Although i have had a nerve test done i still feel like it could be siatica too. I still have the leg pain and pain in my one buttock. All of my pain is on the same side. So i go to the pain mangment again. Now the mri was done aug 12. Now here i am aug 13. We have done some epideral injections, not much help. A nerve block which was minimal help on the back but we are repeating next week. If its helpful then, then we will burn the nerves for a 6 month helpful period. But now i am on 30 mg oxy er 2 times a day with 10 mg percs for breakthrough up to 3 a day. I have run out of meds almost every month and when i told the pm doc that it wasnt enouph, he said thats the most he does for anyone and if im needing more he will have to reffer me to a suboxone doc. Now subs dont help with pain ive read so i guess he thinks im just hooked. That is partially true. I do have real pain, but do i have self control to take the meds only when needed? NOOOOO. i like that i love everyone, feel great, have energy, patience with my kids and husband, and all that, worlds greatest mom attitude. If not i have no patience for anyone or anything. Oh and i do take 1 mg xanex for anxiety too. So here i am thinking though that i know i do have pain, but is it to a point where tramadol might work if my craving for opiates is controlled by suboxone. So i got one from the father of my first child that all this started with as he is prescribed it now, he had gotten really bad over time. And it works for me well. Since tuesday i have needed something for pain once and this is thurs. i took tramadol. Have no idea if that is what worked or if it cause i sat down a while to watch a movie and the pain went away that way. I know the subs have opiate high blockers but since tram is not opiate, can it still help your pain? If so, i mY be able to get on subs myself and take only tram for pain. That is the point of the subs from HIM. i am out of narcs and tramadol can curve that, im living proof of that, but i also had a seizure a few months ago from od of tramadol. 25 in one day, not cool. So now if i run out of narcs 8-12 tram a day works. I take 4 in the morn, 4 again around 4 pm and then 3-4 if im up after 11 or 12. That works when i have no narcs for the withdrawls and patience a little but it also makes me zoned out and like a zombie, cant stand that. So i said yes to the sub so i wouldnt have withdrawls but i also want to see how real my pain is. And so far, the wanting of narcs is 80% in my head and wanting the euphoria feeling which i used to create on my own before i ever touched opiates. Thats what i need to get back to again. And i did it once. I can do it again. So ive takin the subs 2 mg in the am and 2 in the pm. Have no idea what that means with that medicine but thats what works for me. I will see if he can give me another one to keep my test going as i see pm on monday. I would have back surgery to fix my issues but im terrified it wont work or will be worse and i have a 50 lb 2 year old to lift also right now that puts back surgery out of my options for a while. So any advice, help, knowledge, on my situation. Please dont scold me or give the obvious reply of well if its in ur head then get off it, i know that. But i actually do have pain that is chronic and just cause it hasnt flared up that bad since tues doesnt mean it wont and if i switch to subs, then how do i deal with pain and if i dont ill always be out of pain meds. So control it? Easier said then done. I have a terrible twos child and the other with adhd and severe anxiety and behavioral issues. He is even on dissability due to his behavior and he is 6. So imagine me a stay at home mom now trying to come off this stuff or control it with all of this going on and our house hold struggling to make ends meet, these are hard times now. So again, any help is appriciated in advance.....

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I'm really surprised that a suboxone doctor only has you on 6mgs a day for a heroin substitute. I would be honest with your doctor and let them know it's not enough. I only had an opana habit (a terrible several year long one) but none the less it was probably slightly less strong then a heroin addiction. Im prescribed 12mgs a day. Wean in 9 months and get completely off in two years.

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My fiance is on subutex and im preaty certin hes using herion aswell and i dont no wot to do coz if i aproach him with wat i think hes goes crazy and diverts the argument to me and calls me horrible names coz im the one thats accusing him.. I really dont no wot to do i have never been on drugs myself so i dont no alot about it

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Suboxone's half life is AT LEAST 24 hours, 24 hours is generally how long the half life is for someone with a fast metabolism. You need to wait at least a full day and a half since your last dose of suboxone (unless it was under 1mg or so) in order to feel anything from your gear of choice

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Badger, it is kinda useless to use any opiates(heroin, opiates) while taking Suboxone as it contains a drug, I believe it naproxlene(spelling?) which eliminates the ability to get high. Even if you use a ton of heroin the naproxlene blocks a persons ability to get high. So if he is using heroin he would be wasting his money. Additionally it takes about a day and a half to completely get the naproxlene out of his system therefore if he is using heroin he is not getting high or wasting his money if he is or he has stopped taking the suboxone over a day and a half ago. Hope this helps.

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In reality, it's never okay to take heroin.

However, to answer your question, doing it within hours of having used Suboxone is probably futile and dangerous, since the Buprenorphine is a very potent narcotic and the Naloxone is used to neutralize other narcotics.

https:/­/­rxchat.com/­wiki/­Suboxone/­

Have you considered talking to a doctor to get help?

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