What Not To Say During Suboxone Appt (Page 2) (Top voted first)

My boyfriend has battled with heroin addiction for at least 2 years now. He was prescribed to before, but couldn't afford the maintenance program and ended up banging heroin again. He went back to his doctor to get a script for suboxone again last week, and the doctor wouldn't prescribe it to him. I found another dr who can prescribe suboxone nearby, and want to make sure he gets a script because he will die if he doesn't quit using. Does anyone know any reasons why a dr wouldn't prescribe suboxone?
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If you were truly an addict, and saying someone did something stupid...then that just doesn't make sense now, does it? Anyone who will let a pill control them doesn't have much room to make assumptions about others and their addictions...so making that statement is quite unnecessary. We all did something stupid if we need to be on Suboxone...and just because someone isn't to a point to be serious yet doesn't mean they are any less deserving than the ones who are...we're talking about something that kills hundreds of people DAILY....not smoking a cigarette or an addiction to chocolate. Have some empathy..or quite frankly, use some common sense about telling others how they've done something stupid.

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It took me a long time to realize that less is best. I was so used to being out of pills every month. Trying to plan on how I would have enough or where I could find/get more vics/percs/morhine - it didn't matter as long as it was an opiate. Now on Suboxone 3 months - my life has changed 100% I am serious. I have $1000 a month that I didn't have before. I am not worried that I won't have enough until next doctors visit. Well worth it. I am ready to move on now. It took me the longest to admit I even had a problem because I do have actual multiple surgeries pain - chronic pain. The suboxone doesn't take care of all the pain, but I am willing to deal with a little pain and there are some other types pain meds that will help with pain that you can take while on suboxone. Good luck to all and feel free to ask me questions - I will respond.

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If you do get suboxone scripts... Do not go to walgreens pharmacy! They have been awful to me! Apparently their pharmacists are very uneducated about the drug! Or maybe they are just pricks!? Even after my doctor called them personally they still wouldnt fill my script! The pharmacist was just so rude! She said that she couldnt find my doc on the registry and i was breaking the law trying to fill my script! I left there in tears went to walmart and had my script filled in 20 minutes!

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I hope you'll read this, and do as I'm asking....Go "here", click you "don't wish to be contacted" and plug in your information.

Find the store # for the Walgreens in your area, and contact corporate regarding what happened with the pharmacist at that location. You can't let people get away with this, or they'll continue to do it to others, and what's it going to lead to? Them calling the law on someone for a legitimate prescription?
To me, pharmacists think they are a higher power...but they really aren't. Imagine the doctor-pharmacist relationship. The doctor writes out an order for something. In other cases, like a hospital..the doctor's orders are the word...they go by that or they lose their jobs. So the prescription is in essence, an order from a doctor. The pharmacist has NO right to refuse the doctor's orders for any reason, unless there is malpractice, forgery or other illegal activity involved. Pharmacists are required to follow the orders a doctor sends to them, including dosage amounts per day. So you need to get this reported, and follow-up on it to insure other people don't encounter some power-hungry pharmacist who wants to make accusations prematurely.
I'm on Suboxone and have been for a number of years (5 or so)...and I never have ANY problem getting my meds, but normally use the same pharmacy. But even if I didn't, there's no reason for a pharmacist to accuse me of doing anything illegal...and if there was a question they could easily contact my doctor by picking up the phone.

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Addiction is a terrible disease...and I wouldn't accuse him of trying to manipulate you, it's hard to tell someone who doesn't have an addiction exactly how bad the addiction is. Most people think that addiction is a choice...in their mind, they say "you're doing this to yourself, you're making a choice to be an addict"...but actually the physical and psychological effects won't let someone even consider not being an addict...you have to understand that it's not an option when you become dependent on something like opiates...going into withdrawals is not an option, because you know you'll not be a normal person until you get that opiate again.

Could he get a doctor to prescribe it now? Yes, most likely..because he's dependent on it. You need to support him in trying to legally become prescribed the meds instead of buying it illegally. The repercussions of buying and getting caught on the street are TERRIBLE and not something you want to face.

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Why would someone vote this post down? It isn't an opinion. I know plenty of parents and spouses that don't want to admit that their loved one is an addict but the truth is that if you are physically dependent on any opiate (codeine, morphine, oxycontin, oxycodone, HEROIN...etc.etc.) The drugs don't care if you came from a good family or if you have a good education and career.
If my first wife had told me go to rehab instead of telling me to go..., (you know what), we would probably still be married. Neither of realized the nature of addiction. It is a disease and was deemed so by the A.M.A. in the 1950's. I am sorry if I sound irritated but it is so frustrating to watch people making the same mistakes over and over again and passing judgment when they should be praying for compassion for themselves and for the ones that suffer. I have been on suboxone for two years and am in the middle of getting off of it and it is no fun. I can't sleep, I am very depressed and I have no energy

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I went to a doc n they wouldnt give it to me because I had told themI had went to pain mmanagement. Doc told me I need to be on my pain meds n not on suboxone so do not tell them if uve been in pain management.

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Walgreens did the same s*** to me about my suboxone. She said come pick it up she wasnt filling it n to go to cvs across the street.

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This is for alice,,& its ben awhile since you posted your story, but I had to at least write & mayb hopefully you will see it. I come on alot, and have never responded,to any posts, but had to with you. You do have a habit, but I can see that your head, mind, and heart are in the right place. I absolutely have no doubt that your lit girl is being well taken care of regardless of ur issue. There are parents that aren't on drugs that dont care that much. Its just the mother guilt that kills us the most & you have the right attitude on wut u need to do. And it is def a vicious cycle and sometimes alot harder to do. As far as the insurance thing, its not something your doctor sees & cps does not get contacted, and esp cuz u are gettn help. Many many parents go to methadone clinics with babies and all, even pregnant. I know from experience that cps will NOT take your child, and won't even be contacted unless needed for some major issue/concern. I will pray for you, and since you have posted this, I do hope things have worked out. But it sometimes takes a few trys. But don't give up, your a good mom & your kids need u. And sorry for your past, pay backs a b**** & he will get his... You will be in my thoughts, and don't EVER GIVE UP!! And I also know that u r one that can take care of your girl, you do deserve to have her.

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JM-
Thank you for your intelligent, well-thought-out, and informative posts.
Maybe some day i will post about my story; but i will say for now
that i am a Suboxone patient.
Appreciate your posts.
=)

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Thanks, Subl1ngual. I have always been very pro-Suboxone, especially when it saves lives like it does. People who rage against this medicine are usually part of the N.A crowd, they only focus on one method of sobriety, and aren't interested in people who are literally minutes from death..as long as they don't "swap one drug for another"....as they so eloquently put it...by using Suboxone. I have to wonder whats more important to them, how people stop using, or if people live through their ordeal or not.

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he will probably be able to get them relatively easy, there are some doctors that will prescribe to whoever walks in the door and says they need them. Suboxone does have an addictive component. If he has used them for a while then he is probably physically dependent and will suffer very uncomfortable withdrawal if he stops. The good thing about suboxone is that he can slowly taper down off them and if done that way the physical withdrawal is tolerable. the aspect they don't really talk about is mental dependence and withdrawal which can be just as powerful. Most people start doing drugs to escape, and without resolving the underlying causes you don't get very far. Also, to stop suboxone is very scary mentally and he needs a support system in place ie therapy, family, ect. Anxiety and mental stress of being totally sober can be harder than physical withdrawal for some people. I take suboxone but have also lived with a drug addict and know how angry you can get when they put the drug over everything else. My experience taught me a few things, 1 he has to want to stop, and has to do it himself no amount of help or pressuring will do it 2. stick to your guns whatever boundaries you have about this, don't let them be crossed without the known consequences 3. No one wants or sets out to be an addict, withdrawal sucks, and a substance controlling your life is one of the worst forms of slavery

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Alice I hope you read this msg. I know how you feel about a constant feeling that someone will harm your daughter like that and feel as though you cant seek the help you need because you can not bare the thought of something happening while your away getting help. I also felt that everyone was a possible child molester because like you said you never know, its always the person you least expect. Well it was in my case. No one expected my Grandpa.
Because of my childhood, my refusal to get help for the abuse and my addiction I wasted years dragging me son along through my disease and hurting him emotionally. He watched me spiral out of controll. From soccer and PTA mom to a needle junky. And i thought it was ok because he was always with me. I never left him with people and never got totally wasted until we were a safe at home. When we had one. I thought i was doing what was best for him. I had tried to detox my self several times. Each attempt was more damaging then the last to both me and my son. So i thought a junkie mom was better then me getting treatment (which i know nothing about) and leaving him with people that could hurt him. I didnt want him to be scarred emotionally like i was. Long story short because of my constant moving which resulted in a lot of missed school on top of the mornings i was to dope sick to get him on the bus. Social services got involved. They knew nothing of my drug problem never suspected it. They said he could not miss anymore schooal. And keep i was mind that there's a lot of other crazy s*** that seemed ok because i was i was active addiction. All i had to do was get him on the bus, he was 9 yrs old. Wake him up and watch him get on the bus. I couldn't wven manage to do that. That's a sad but true fact. Thats where this disease took me. (Sorry if this post seems to be long. I have a point. Really, i do lol) and this seemed some what normal. Idk how but it did at the time. I lost custody of my son on Nov.1,2011 for educational neglect. They picked him up at school the day after be missed. He went to his Grandmother on his dads side. All i had to do to get him back was parenting classes and get a job and hold it for 3 months. 6 months later i tried to commit suicide because i couldnt stop putting that s*** in my arms. I was doing 20 60mg morphine a day plus 5-10 15 mg roxi. I would sit and cry as was using, cuz i hated it, and the guilt from losing him was unbearable. Spend 24at hours in the hospital, only because my family said a window broke on my arms the Dr could not hold me because i had witnesses. I checked my self into a recovery home the next day. Now SS knew i was an addict. It will be two years this november, these past 2 yrs i have spent i was and out if recovery homes and treatment centers. I am what is considered a chronic relapser. 6 months ago. I started seeing a psychiatrist and he put me on ritalin for my ADD and suboxone along with depression meds and we are dealing with my childhood. I graduated a 6month recovery home and am in therapy with my son who is 11out now. And i will be getting custody back if him in january :)
In therapy my son said " mom i wish you would have just let me stay with granny when you were on drugs instead of taking me all those place. He is more upset with me that i toted him around chasing a buzz instead of leaving him with family. He asked me why i didn't go to treatment before i lost custody. This is my story. Im not saying you will end up lime i was or anything. Im just saying it is better to get help while they are younger and while you can. If it wasn't for the suboxone i would not have been able to quit and get him back. Suboxone and God has keep me clean and sober for 6 months. It works.

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It don't matter male or female, suboxone works the same way in both....by attaching to the pain receptors in the brain, with a stronger affinity (binding) than other opiates...and heroin is of course, and opiate. It's derived directly from the poppy plant, so it's a pure form, unlike pills which are synthetic. But thanks to the way Suboxone works, when it binds to those pain receptors, other opiate painkillers, up to and including heroin, will be almost impossible to knock it off the receptors so they can attach. That's where the euphoric feelings come from...the opiates, like heroin, attach to the pain receptors, and it causes a euphoria...because the mu receptor is located in the pleasure center of the brain. This is also why the addiction happens, because the body begins to stop making it's own form of a painkiller (dopamine), and it's replaced with the synthetic form of it...opiates.. After a while, the brain completely stops making dopamine, and when you quit taking heroin, pills, or the opiate you're using, the brain doesn't start back making the dopamine because it's been replaced for so long that it takes a while before the brain says "hey, we need this stuff" and starts making it again. ....this is why the withdrawals take place.

At any rate, this doesn't matter if you're male or female...Suboxone works in the same manner for both...and yes, it can be VERY successful for heroin as long as your dose is high enough that you don't feel withdrawals. The main thing is to get rid of ALL triggers that currently make you want to use...whether that's the friends you have, the things you do daily...change your entire routine and lifestyle and you'll be very successful with stopping the stuff that's going to eventually kill you...and you'll be grateful for having a second chance at life. Take it from someone who had a 400mg+ habit of oxycontin a day...I was looking for heroin when I found Suboxone, because the money I was spending on Oxy, I couldn't bought CHUNKS of heroin and got the same effect.

Changing the subject...once you've been cleaned up a while, watch the movie (it's on Netflix) called "Oxymorons"...
It's based on a VERY true story about the oxy epidemic hitting Boston and how it ruined two brothers and their entire family. One of them made it out alive and cleaned up to tell his story. Everyone else...wasn't so lucky.

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I went to my dr that issues subs this morning in full withdrawal. Blue, oxys, opana, perc 10s. She told me about the sub program and how you have to go to meetings. She never did ask me if I want to try it. I guess she felt my issue wasn't as bad as H or something. But she gave me scripts for clonodine, hydroxyzine, doxepin and I have klonopin. Told me to take Imodium for the runs and these pills for Stomach cramps. I was thinking to myself what the fck?! I felt like hell but this stuff is supposed to help me detox at home. I just want to go score something that I know will make me feel instantly better and I told her as soon as I leave this office I'm going to try to score. But she said since the subs were very hard to get off just like H that she didn't advise it. I'm confused and scared. I'm tired of being under the opiate umbrella but I can't walk around and work feeling like this.

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You should try...suboxone doesn't act the same way as pain meds...but works great for pain. and you don't have to take overdose amounts to achieve that.

I've been on the same dose for around 5 years now. I never go up, or down. Works the same now as it did on day 1.

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Hello again. Thank you to everyone that replied for the kind and encouraging words. Thank God CPS decided to close their investigation and did not take my daughter away but they did tell me I need to take parenting classes and a substance abuse class. And my first appointment with them is on Wednesday. But I'm actually kind of excited about going. I do want to get help and I also feel like going to these classes will show everyone that I want to make a change and better myself. I'm ashamed to admit that I am still using. I don't remember if I mentioned it before but I applied for Medicaid to see the sub doctor and get a script but they were backed up and weren't going to take any new patients for several months. And before that time came around, I lost my insurance because I didn't file for child support. I'm going to reapply and file this time if I even get approved. I'm so tired of this addiction ruling my life but it's freaking impossible for me to quit cold turkey! Anyways, I don't have much to say that I haven't already said so I'll write again to let anyone who's interested know what happens. Again, thank y'all so much for the prayers and encouragement! It truly means a lot to me. And to those of you going though similar situations or struggling with your own addiction, please don't give up! Or for those who have a loved one struggling with addiction, don't give up on them! Cause it's so hard to get through this and even harder to get through it on your own! Again, I really appreciate the prayers and I will also pray for all of you! Goodnight..

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I am happy to hear that you are doing well, Alice.
I think Suboxone could work for you. It has been working for me. I commented a year or so ago, I was going through a hard time. I went to the new doctor and he said, what? You ran out? You are not on a high dose, I'll just increase it to 1 1/2 sublingual strips (I so prefer those over pills) per day instead of 1. Problem solved! The first time it was hard to get the prescription filled but the doctor helped me! I never ran out again, and it's been a year since then.
Best of luck to you. I wish all best to you and your children. Our lives are so short, right? And children are the gift from the future; they go where we cannot go, not even in our dreams, Gibran said, but we are also good, who sent them flying on their way. Let's treat all of us with love and respect.

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Hi. Ive never posted openly about my addiction but reading others stories help me realize i am not alone on so many levels. My choice of poison is oxys...id like to say its bcuz i waz on them for 2 yrs at 10 15s a day then in the blink of an eye rippe off them w/0 any tappering dwn. Its nn 2yrz and my body still goes through incredible withdrawals if i even have just one. Ive bn searching for a dr that would understand how my life has now bcme a living hell obsessed w where i can find just to maintain the unbearable withdrawals. Its so frustrated bcz drs these days seem to think everyone is out to get high, all i want Is fr that one dr who will just help me get bck to the life i once had ....a happy life. I just want to be myself again but w the anxiety and obsessions and cravings i get everytime i even hear the word oxycodone. I hate it. I have tried suboxone and it does actually work. I don't even crave or think about scoring. I am myself! Just for a little while. I am pleading for help to escape from this hell i live in from the minute I wake up to the minute I lay my head dwn at night. So ty for sharing! Im glad im not alone. Good luck to u alll! Its def a visious battle.

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You don't know everyone's story. You don't know shiz about addiction unless you have been in the situation. I hate a terrible terrible birthing experience to a still born baby boy that left me in constant pain. I was torn from front to back and my pelvic bone was fractured. I was prescribed pain medication because I NEEDED it. After a few months I tried to wean myself off and didn't realize how gruesome withdrawal was. So I continued taking the pills and told my doctor I wanted to feel normal again. That I didn't want my life to depend on the pills so he prescribed weaker ones. Then was when I started abusing them. My tolerance was so high that the weaker pills barely prevented me from being sick. I continued taking the weaker ones and then in would get a couple from a friend. Downhill spiral that I didn't know how to get out of. Don't judge. You don't know everyone's story. You don't know the real pain people live with,........

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