inpainandNOTdrugseeking Says:
Is Baclofen The Same Thing As A Soma (Page 6)
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Tracy Says:
my mom has been taking somas and her doctor changed her meds and she is skeptical of new medicene.
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SK8TR read this and stop hating.
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inpainandNOTdrugseeking Says:
Don't be so judgmental. They may be in serious pain and just looking for something a little stronger.
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Nancy Says:
Why is it you feel backlofen is stronger?
You r so wrong, get your facts straight.
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nik Says:
It's actually disgusting when people whom have been addicted to drugs and become clean turn around and for one think you are now better then "an addict" and talk the way you did to the person who was talking about the milligrams of the medication. I'm sure you spoke the same way when you were an addict but for you to come into this conversation to be a total a$$hole talking how he/she must be an addict is just horrible. Shame on you and you need to pay better attention in your na meetings...Learn how to treat people!!!
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wayne Says:
Seems you enjoy judging and criticizing everyone that posts here....You sound like a veteran drug addict that got sober for a while and now you troll the comments trying to sound like something you're not.....
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HUMBLE ME Says:
Sk8tr, The guy was just asking a question because he sounds a little challenged on the mg's and the effectiveness of a pill. An addict is always an addict so where do you get off ripping on him?? As for your knowledge and attitude in your post you must be a cocky punk skater resting on his laurels. I know you posted this a while ago and I hope you get to read this sometime. I hadn't read such a conceded, judgmental and ignorant post like this ever....what a d***. What a waste of time writing this to you. You need to be smacked down off your high horse with a big ass bat named "RESPECT"!!
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Wendy Says:
Amen. What a Beautiful Post. I have been dealing with Chronic Pain for 5 years now.. Pain Management Dr. Dropped me due to inability to get insurance... I was thrown into the "Socialized Medicine", arena.. I had already stopped one med that most people take for life, I was viewed as a drug seeker because Of the medications I had been taking.. Very very long story, but The new Dr. Put me on 4 meds, I was so ill and BPhad skyrocketed due to meds and Pain, I went in and asked if someone could possibly take my BP just to document it.. I was put into a room for a "Nurses appt. she denied to take my BP 3 times... I was so confused, upset, and in pain that I began to cry... She came back into the room with 2 appointments for a Psychiatrist and a Psychologist (again, as they had done 2 months prior, of which the conclusion was a little anxiety and a little depression but understandable due to pain), I suffered with high BP for 11 days, could barely sleep. Finally upon Seeing my Dr.. She wanted to give me 2 more meds?? That would take it from 2 before I went there to 6 prescriptions.. I don't want to take pills anymore.. It is prison. Well to the point,, the meds Prescribed were harming me and the side effects are WORSE than the meds I was taking and all of them.... You must wean yourself off of. Government needs to stay the Hell out of The Medical Field.. But they are bought off by the Pharmaceutical Companies.. Something has got to give. )sorry I needed to Vent. God Bless.
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ang129 Says:
Absolutely not!!!! She was saying the truth!!! I have to rods in my back and 8 brackets. And part of my hip missing. You obvious are not in that much much pain. So you can not relate when you are taking something that is actually helping, and you have to stop because of what of what others say.
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Need of advice Says:
If you don't mind me asking how did you stop, what helped you. I'm wanting to quit because I'm getting married soon and eventually want to start a family, at times I hate depending on pills for the pain but it's also mentally I'm scared and don't have confidence in myself but I do realize that I need help
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kari Says:
What state do you live in? I'm moving to MI and need a pain management Dr there and am looking for some advise. Thank you!!
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kari Says:
Amen!!!
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kari Says:
Thank you for your post notruthere I loved your reply to sk8tr. I had a failed back surgery 6 years and 3 months ago...I'm WAY worse off now. Because of my constant pain I have tried and failed many many different combinations of medications for pain, muscle relaxers, sleep, constipation..etc..etc. Its a constant battle to get help so I can live my life like a normal human being yet be as pain free as possible. It sounds like you know what I'm going through and I'm SO sorry for your suffering but I have to admit its nice knowing I'm not alone and that I'm jot the only one trying to find the right balance. I'll take any advise you may have and will gladly share with you things I have tried that works to hopefully help you out too my friend. My doctor just started me on tramadol 3 weeks ago and so far so good it really does seem to help me and thankfully I have minimal side effects...crossing my fingers. Also my Dr just switched me from soma to baclofen I just started the baclofen today so crossibg my fingers it works I hardly get any sleep at night.. :( I don't blame you for not wanting to take the baclofen, tizanadine, and tramadol that does seem like quite a lot. I am SO thankful for the tramadol though this week marked the first time in 3 years I was able to walk a whole mile...1 whole mile straight and I owe it to tramadol. I have been getting out of bed this week ibstead of being cibstantly bedridden and so depressed. This is my first time taking it I don't like taking anything that makes me feel all drugged up...know what I mean. A lot of people...who don't need these medications like we do...like that drugged up crap . I just want to have a normal life. Now the only problem I have is affording it. My ins wont pay for it and I'm out of work on disability. So I finally found the right medication to give me my life back...its a miracle I thought would never happen but I can't afford it...talk about making me cry in desperation. :(( anyways I would love to keep in touch with you for advise or help or just to have someone who knows what im going through. .I hope that's OK. : . Kari
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Deflepbear Says:
I'm sorry but all of ur responses are just so rude. First u call one person a drug seeker bcuz u were one, then u judge another person for their opinion and tell them to stfusb. Why post ur bile, if u can't take people giving it back to u?
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Rene Says:
Thank you. I used to work for a neurosurgeon who would say "nobody ever died from pain"...that infuriated me having had 2 back surgeries & live with pain. Most doctors don't care & think everybody is a drug seeker & addict. I know my meds & I like the relief when it gets bad but due to the i****s they are letting into & out of med school who can't think for themselves, don't bother to get to know their patients, we have to suffer! My answer to him about no one die from pain was... Unless they blow their brains out!
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Jaariel Says:
Don't you mean GABA, not GAMA?
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Cmg Says:
Don't know if you'll ever see this, but since falling down an entire flight of stairs and breaking my tailbone 16 years ago, I've tried a number of pain and muscle relaxer meds. Mainly because, oh yeah, the doc who saw me after my fall just manually pushed my tailbone back into place, never giving me an X-ray. I was still in incredible pain after a year, and finally went in for a disectomy, after having MRI s and seeing a few docs. I was on lortab, neurontin and soma then. Turns out once the doc opened me up, I actually had a ruptured L5S1 disc and was walking around bone on bone for that year. Needlesstosay, I had to have a fusion after that operation (doc wasn't prepared for that at the time, of course,) and there was, so far permanent nerve damage. Oh, and because that doc I felt read my MRI wrong, I went to a different, better one for my fusion. Anyhow, you know the reflex test docs give your foot with the little hammer? On my right foot- nada. I limp slightly, though have developed a walk where it's not as obvious. I still have my leg go out on me, but still too proud to use a cane, stupid, I know, but I'm only 55 now.
Anyhow, over the years, my L4 has become herniated more, though I've staved off another fusion by having a couple more disectomies to clear out scar tissue, etc. I've discovered neurontin gave me amnesia after awhile, so I'd advise people to be careful of that one. I tried fentanyl patches, but developed a bad rash after about 6 months from the adhesive. I just was sick of taking pills which is why my doc recommended it. Recently, my doc was out of town and I developed a bad neck spasm. I take 3 norco now and 3 soma a day and was advised to just up the dose to combat the neck spasm. I take maxalt for migraines, though have had to go to the ER on occasion for IV diauladid and toradol when the maxalt doesn't work. So, I understand bad pain. Well, with the spasm, I hadn't had that much pain since when my back was first injured. (Though still in constant pain, I've been able to cut down the dose of the lortab/norco, etc. to what it is now.) I had previously tried tramadol (huge non migraine headache from it), flexeril and skelaxin- might as well give me an MnM, and of course Percocet which worked but I was not ever able to get used to the sedative effect in order to function like I have on soma and norco. To continue, because my doc was out of town and totally U reachable according to her office- and even tho her substitute doc advised me to up my dose to treat this spasm, she was reluctant to prescribe the soma at a future date, even though, I was sure to run short doing this before my own doc returned. Figure that one out!
I think I am lucky in a way to have been on this medication for so long that my regular doc has survived the scare with me being on it. And BTW, I don't doubt the stats that some do overdose, but gosh, you could do that on cough medicine! Also, over the years I've had some months during the summer when the arthritis in my back is better where I realized I'd forgotten to take my meds so, just stopped to see how I would do.(This was before the new herniation got bad.) Honestly, there is no withdrawal, for me, from soma. I guess I don't understand the bad addiction this drug is supposed to have. As far as the lortab/norco (I take norco now only because of the Tylenol ingredient is less and it's due to some law in the state I reside) you feel just a little down and maybe have a slight stuffy nose for about 4-5 days but that's as bad as the withdrawal gets from that. I guess what I am saying is, I think these drugs get a bad rap only because there are some out there who do abuse them and die. But, if used correctly, they can be life savers. Ok, getting back to the neck spasm and the situation, this different doc tried me on Valium and baclofen when I balked about upping my soma and norco dose. It's funny how we can have different reactions to chemicals. The Valium did nothing except after about 4 hours still in pain, I'd sleep for 30 minutes, and wake, still having the spasm. The baclofen I took at night because it did help me sleep longer, but the spasm was still there. Due to a good doc at the ER he inj. a block into my neck and that made the pain manageable during the day. But before that, the sub doc, after me seeing her and calling twice about the meds not working, had her nurse tell me there was nothing more she could do. Lovely. Didn't even try to get me into a physiatrist, or a neck doc quick- nothing. (I called on my own, literally, a dozen docs to get an appt. No one could get me in for a month. My own doc would be back before then.)
So, that's why I ended up at the ER. Anyhow, long story longer, my own doc got back just when I ran out of my soma and norco 4 days early- yes I did up the dose but I knew I could see her by the time I ran out and took the meds sparingly, just to get by, but, man, it was a difficult time. The spasms lasted about 2 weeks. So, to summarize- watch that neurontin. Soma is best, at least for me, for muscle spasms and I personally don't think its the demon drug it's been made out to be. Baclofen- not impressed, nor with flexeril or skelaxin. But, unfortunately, a lot of docs are leery of soma and that's unfortunate for those that it works for most effectively. Anyhow, sorry I jumped around a bit, but hope the info helps or at least reassures someone.
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DV8 Says:
Ok Mar, you are a interesting character. For someone who seems to know everything about pharmacology, you're somewhat misinformed on narcotics. You've stated your symptoms and med history. You've stated that you were prescribed Kadian( which is a name among hundreds of names for morphine, the non-synthesized version of the main ingredient of opium), but yet you were on Fentnyl( a synthesized version of an opioid antagonist, which is up to 100 times more potent than morphine and given in micro grams vs. mlgs). Fentnyl is a synthetic opioid pain reliever mainly prescribed for cancer patients in late stages of the disease, and for people who have extreme chronic pain. This drug is given primarily in the form of a Duragesic patch. Most common doses are 12.5, 25, and 50 mcgr's an hour time release patches. It is designed to help your pain for 72 hours and typically used in conjunction with a acute pain reliever or break-through pain reliever such as hydrocodone (Vicodin), or oxycodone (by itself or with Acetaminophen (Tylenol)(Percocet). Now you said you had breathing issues on both drug's, not surprisingly so, since both drug's and all opioid drugs will cause this side effect, but what is confusing to me is that you had a racing heart beat while on Kadian? This doesn't make sense. These are both CNS depressants. They slow down both your breathing AND slow down your heart rate, and the Fentnyl should have been significantly worse for you than the Kadian, but the fact that I have to put into play your history of allergies, and your perceived hatred of the pharmaceutical industry, maybe you did have these said symptoms. But I have to admit, that's a very confusing side effect. One more thing on this topic, we all have opioid receptors in our brains, their are our own natural pain killers. Their called endorphins. That's why opioid antagonist drugs work so well, because they bind with said receptors when taken. If you have these injuries and diseases(not saying you don't), I'm really surprised that you can even function at any capacity(with the meds that you are currently on). It's seems to be you've regressed on your pain management(at least from a pharmacology point of view).
Neurotin/Gabapentin is a anticonvulsant/analgesic family of drugs, the drug reacts with the GAMA region of the brain, suppressing the nerve reactions in the brain stem and subsequently the body's nerve reactions. This has been a controversial drug, in the sense that it has been advertised to treat many ailments that haven't been proven by the FDA. This drug works for most people that have been diagnosed with nerve based pain, and is a relatively safe drug. You also said that when you took a half dose of Lexapro, that you had severe arm pain. Lexapro is an antidepressant in the SSRI family that effects the selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors. The drug increases the intrasynaptic levels of the neurotransmitter seratonin by blocking the reuptake of the neurotransmitter into the presynaptic neuron. In plain english, the drug has nothing to do with pain. It's designed to help you feel better, by making you feel happy, not depressed. Which BTW is common side effect of chronic pain. Now it's been rarely seen, but sometimes people experience myalgia as a side effect, but that symptom is rare and involves muscle pain, not nerve pain. As with any SSRI, and most antidepressants, it takes a few weeks on the drug for you to get a therapeutic response. Now to the core of this thread. Soma vs. Baclofen. These drugs do work differently. Now baclofen was designed as an anti spasticity drug, mainly helping people with M.S. and Cerebral Palsy. It effects the GAMA b receptors in the brain. This drug interacts with these receptors, giving you relief from the pain associated with muscle spasms. The nice thing about this drug vs Soma, is that it takes a lot more time and higher doses to develop a tolerance, unlike Soma. Soma (or Carisoprodol) is a drug that works on the brain also, but unlike Baclofen, Soma has more of a sedating effect and analgesic effect than Baclofen. It does help you with muscle relaxation, but it will possibly have less desirable side effects. In most of Europe, it's been taken off the market, because of the fear of abuse, dependency, and withdrawal symptoms.
The European Dr's feel that benzodiazepines are safer than Soma. Which i find extremely interesting. Since I personally think benzodiazepines can be very dangerous if taken for a long time.(my personal opinion) Both drug's can have the same CNS depressing symptoms, since that's how they work. Skelaxin and similar drug's (methocarbamol), work by blocking nerve sensations to the brain, they don't work by effecting the brain, but work by blocking signals to the brain. Thus they have less side effects, but also have a tendency to not work very well for people with severe chronic pain. Everything you have talked about taking, is mainly CNS depressant medication. And the whole anti pharmaceutical talk, I can sympathize and agree with you somewhat. But I do think that you should do more research, and give some meds a chance. Plus keep a cautious, but open mind. I feel like there's more of a mental health issue than your letting on to be. Don't get me wrong, chronic pain is extremely taxing on your mental health, I myself being a suffering patient. But you need to remember, if you're suffering so bad and want relief, you have a couple options, take meds that help you have a life, or don't, and most likely be miserable. If taken carefully and correctly, all the meds you've talked about, should allow you to have relief and get your life back.
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becky Says:
You need to climb down from that mountain that you have put your self on mam, stop your judging on people that just ask a question, you don't have the rite to be little her for not knowing the correct name of a medication, using the letter s and she knew the miligram, you judging her , You must be a cruel hearted person to be so mean !
Who does that??? She has the rite to her opinion, I feel very sorry for you : (
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Joey Says:
Nobody needs to hear all that!
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cathy Says:
You are very judgmental!! Even if this person is drug seeking, who are you to BASH them in such a manner? If you are a recovering addict I would think you would be a little more compassionate and understanding. Maybe word things a little different. Just sayin' , Oh and I have been on alprazolam for 18 years so I suppose I am a drug addict too??!!! Never mind the fact that the medication works for me like it was designed to, one of the reasons they manufacture and prescribe it. Stop being so harsh and cruel, you would not have liked to have been treated like that. Just sayin.
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