New Subutex Laws (Page 15) (Top voted first)

I went to see my doctor this week and he told me that the FDA and the DEA had passed a new law for prescribing Subutex. As of July 1st 2015 Subutex can only be given to pregnant woman or to someone with documentation saying they can't take Suboxone. If you don't have that you will be put on Suboxone.

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Re: Jim (# 1)

Why didnt all addicts think of that. Wow Jim is a genius

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Re: Cheyenne (# 311)

Have you contacted your TennCare Medicaid Health Plan and ask them about this ? If not you need to.

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Re: Jim (# 9)

First of all the alcohol and benzo example, not only does it make no sense medically it makes no sense logically, apples and oranges. So is that what you're so mad about, you must like the sauce and benzo together and the Dr probably won't presceibe them to you and since all of a sudden it's all these peoples fault for taking a medication that you were lead to believe was a faster while lessinng any withdrawal symptoms putting an end to pain pill epidemic. That was the beginning and the drs and pharmaceutical companies, they have the dirty hands. Probably what you do for a living. An LPN, when you become a real nurse and know what your talking about and wanna help others maybe then throw out an opinion. Otherwise why are you on here? You're making a fool out of yourself, you're so ignorant and uneducated there's nothing of value coming from you, so how bout you just remove yourself from the group and cry to somebody else about your lack of self-control and maybe an anger issue.

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It don't work on everybody. Some people can take it, but there are people who can. I feel that if a person is trying to get of Oxcodone should not have to wait a week or two weeks. One's who are really in need of it , then they need it on that sane day. Please, help those who are really in need of it, gets it that same day. Show that you are helping them by letting that person get it. THANK YOU.

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Re: Michael (# 20)

Not sure about the bill or laws, I'm pretty sure dr's aren't going to bold face like to their patients. That being said, it's sad how many jump on the wagon to talk down on those in recovery, it's not totally unfounded though I read the activity on here daily and see many, many posts asking where one can get Subutex instead of Suboxone and we can tell it's just so they can use on top of it, like having their cake and eating it too, not good. But just to straight out belittle someone struggling with addiction well, that's wrong. They are the same drug with the exception of having naloxone in one and not the other. If a patient has a legitimate allergy to the naloxone I would hope and pray that the Dr would verify this and handle it properly and do what has to be done. I do believe, being in recovery myself that when this law or bill takes effect, it will spawn an allergic epidemic and those who are legit in declaring they are allergic will suffer until an undisputable way of evaluating this is found. I wish you luck, and try not to take to heart the harsh uneducated words of judgemental people. For every good thing that comes along there's always those bad eggs who ruin it for everyone else. Good luck and God bless.

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Re: Michael (# 2)

YES I AGREE With YOU This JIM DUDE was RUDE And FURTHERMORE ITS NOT His BUSINESS WHAT kind Of MEDICATION You TAKE And WHAT for you Was MAKING a COMMENT And ASKING A QUESTION. .Then This JIM comes BACK with WHAT Do YOU DO WITH your LIFE AND SO On.SMH HAD to LAUGH thou talking Like a Drug COUNSELOR.OR SOMETHING well HELL ANYBODY can Be A LPN..I JUST THOUGHT HE WAS WAY OFF BASE Here RUDE.ALSO WANT TO SAY HAVE NOTHING AGAINST LPN.THEY ARE HARD WORKERS TOO AND MOST DO A EXCELLENT JOB HELPING THE SICK AND SO ON But DON'T't COME ON HERE ACTING LIKE A NURSE PRACTITIONER. BC A LPN IS WAY OFF HE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.YOU HAVE A NICE BLESSED DAY Mike TAKE CARE.SORRY BUT i JUST HAD TO VENT ON HIS RUDENESS ARROGANT COMMENT THAT WAS ADDRESS TO YOU.

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Re: Dar (# 318)

Wow Jim really touched a nerve. I'm actually glad he did. It goes to show how much negativity a person in recovery endures. We are not trusted, by others and dr's. Those of us in recovery or trying to find it are the ones who bear the brunt of all this negativity. It comes from all directions. We will always have those you frequently hear saying addiction is not a disease, that we are just stupid weak people. Then those who claim we are just getting a free supply of stuff to feel high on, or to trade for drugs. Those who think we should be eradicated cause we are an abomination. Then those who claim that we aren't clean cause we are taking replacement meds. Then those who have no idea what they are talking about but like to judge and point. It's hard enough to face this demon alone but to fight this thing and all the scrutiny that come with it make for a battle. Not to toot my horn but those that have found recovery should be praised and congratulated, not talked down on, I wouldn't wish this on any living thing on the planet.

Yes, there are bad eggs that will hold us back and those that try to ostracize us but we are warriors. Yes, we are to make it through this alive which is a miracle in itself. And you know what, even after we overcome those obstacles then society as a whole is against us, many of us end up with criminal records, and labels that keep us from getting gainful employment, and good safe places to live. It just goes to show just how uneducated, weak, and opinionated those who try to pass judgement on us are. Sadly those kinds are the ones who will make those of us who actually suffer from allergic reactions from naloxone, and make it difficult to get the right meds. God bless each and every one of you, especially those of us in recovery.

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I’ve been on it for five years and so this new doctor said he would keep me on it because I’ve been on it so long but I did not want Suboxone and I said I was allergic to the Naloxone in it. He called my bluff and said the only way that he gets released into your body is if you’re abusing the medication. I replied that I’m not and every time I’ve taken Suboxone my throat itches it feels kind a hard to breathe and I break out in a rash.

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Re: Jim (# 3)

Maybe u need a MYODB Degree-- MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS! You will make a sucky nurse

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Re: Verwon (# 4)

The naloxone doesn't prevent anything and is completely pointless the ONLY thing it can do is cause negative affects in people with an allergy or sensitivity to it. Please quit spreading lies go read some newer med studies on the topic and you will find the real truth because you're obviously another person that's extremely misinformed with zero firsthand experience on the topic. Being misinformed is not really you're fault but not doing you're own research before putting completely false info on a site like this one is not helping anyone but the ones that put the BS out there in the first place.. It just keeps their incoming cash flow on auto pilot while keeping the actual truth buried under mountains of lies. It almost feels like a waste of time trying to put out some accurate info on buprenorphine and naloxone.

But just remember the following few things if you're actually reading this: It's NOT naloxone, it's Buprenorphine that keeps you from being able to feel euphoria on other opiates for about 3-7 days after stopping depending on dose, length of use, etc. If you have been on any med containing buprenorphine for more than a few days and you truly think that you can feel high on other opiates if you've been on Subutex because "it doesn't have a blocker like Suboxone", you're either just passing on what someone else told ya and aren't speaking from real experiences you've been through or witnessed in person, or if you say you've done it before then you're just extremely weak minded or just tricked yourself into thinking you got high bc it hurts accepting that you wasted every single cent that you spent on that dope. Next time you want to try again and haven't waited min 72 hrs take the money you were gonna spend outside and light it on fire. Congrats now you're exactly as high as what you were gonna purchase was going to get you plus you saved some time and energy from drug hunting.

Naloxone has a 20 to 30 minute half life, buprenorphine HL is around 24hrs and I think Wikipedia states a mean avg HL of 37 hrs

Buprenorphine by itself aka Subutex will not protect you during induction and has the potential to throw you in PWD the same way that Suboxone or any other combination product does. And no it doesn't work the same way as naloxone does on opioids when buprenorphine is present. Naloxone has greater binding affinity than most opiates do that's why it is usually successful during OD... Buprenorphine is one of the ones that has a greater binding affinity (around 30x) than naloxone.

Suboxone is not safer than Subutex for MAT... Recent studies state that, "preparations of buprenorphine combined with naloxone could potentially be less safe than buprenorphine alone".

Alright I'm honestly tired and I'm not going back through to proof and edit this at the time and maybe never will but it's at least an attempt to clear up the false claims that have been going around for far too long. Anything I wrote came from my own extensive firsthand experiences and extensive researching.

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Re: kkh (# 15)

Damn this is refreshing to see some actual FACTS about this stuff... I've never in my life seen anything at all be attached to so many false claims and flat out incorrect information and get on passed around so often and for over 20 years now .. like it's completely foolish of the supposed medical professionals that spread the trash around with the confidence they assert which easily tricks consumers into thinking is true because it came from a doctor. And I'm not saying they're intentionally defrauding people because the number one issue in my opinion with this whole topic of Subutex vs Suboxone is that I believe most doctors truly do believe what they're saying and are so convinced they're correct and anything other than that was never even a thought that existed in their minds and probably never will be

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They DO. No they don't. initially yes to get through detox. I'm talking about after detox there is no medication except Revia which is simply Naltrexone. I.m talking chronically. Like an addict goes to get their subutex, using it for perhaps years. Dr's don't give alcoholics Valium or klonopin or any other scheduled drug for Maintenance Do they??? Why is it that alcoholics after they detox are left to their own devices to cope while opiate addicts get pretty much opiates albeit synthetic. Why can't they after detox and being weaned off go with out a fix. It's ridiculous. Giving Subutex to an opiate addict is like giving gin to an alcoholic. Both are synthetic drugs and mirror the one being abused or dependent on. Ask any decent Half-way Shrink and they will tell you that! Have I made my self clear??? Or would you like to do battle in Psychopharmacology some more???

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Why is he a bad nurse for expressing his opinion???? Why don't alcoholics get a benzo to relieve them of cravings for ETOH??? People in alcohol withdrawl are in much more danger then people withdrawing from opiates. Are they not??? Alcoholism causes more damage to a family and society in general then any opiate. Not to mention it causes damage to the liver and every other body organ. Opiate addicts can function in society, go to work, have substantial relationships. Alcoholics can't go to work nor function in society. I know of many people who use opiates and function just fine. They go to work, have intercourse, feed their families, contribute to society and don't smell like booze. An opiate addict has a far better chance of doing these things then an alcoholic does. It does hurt like heck when an opiate addict runs dry, but they wont die from it. An alcoholic can through grand mal seizures. Many addicts (not saying anyone in this chat) sell their opiates. We know this because we are finding suboxone, subutex and methadone on the streets along WITH PRESCRIBED oxycontin, perc's, xanax and anything else they can feel high off of. Recently I heard (an Anecdote) that Prozac and other SSRI's are being sold on the St. ETOH should be illegal. It's a benzo in a bottle. there's absolutely no NEED for alcohol to be available to anyone.BUT Since it is legal it is available to anyone 21 and over. Being liberal, I feel that small amounts of opiates should be included in certain wines and spirits like back in the late 1800's and early 1900's People functioned and got along fine with these products and medicinals. I even feel as it were before that small amounts of coke should be put in these spirits. Again, there were no problems with this mixture of wine and stimulant back in the day.

Yes, many people became dependent on it but that's no different from any other medicinal or alcoholic product available now and at that time. The first punative laws stemming from opiates came about because of the Chinese and their inability to function due to the smoking of opium. I've read at least 5 biographies of Freud and with Freud Scholars know from his Friend's Family and colleagues that he was NEVER addicted nor dependent on coke. He used it yes, but as a scientist. He did many experiments and studies with it, On Moravian soldiers, on muscle movement. It's influences on work, sleep and it's pharmacology. Actually if it was not for Freud Karl Kohller would perhaps never have discovered that coke can be used as an anasthetic for the eye in surgery. Somehow we never hear of that. He with Freud's help became famous overnight. Not Freud. Freud made mistakes of course like prescribing coke to ease morphine withdrawal and alcoholism. Yes it did these things, but to you and I this sounds crazy. They did relieve themselves of Morphinism and Alcoholism but as you can guess became dependent on Coca. Freud did use coke as a pick me up and occasionally sent a half gram to his Fiance Martha Bernays. It was to be divided up into small doses or a couple large doses, which were small compared to doses that are taken today. He used it as an aphrodisiac, how he performed we don't know. He did along with Martha have 7 beautiful children. (I think 7) have to confirm. we know Anna became a well known child psychoanalyst along with Melanie Klein. Freud was doing something right in the bedroom!. It eased his indigestion and stomach ailments. he could write and work for hours and hours, it actually helped him sleep due to it wearing off soon and it awakening him early to start his day. WE know of people today who take Adderall, Ritalin and other stimulants for ADHD, Narcoleosy but also to start their day and that's fine with me. Heck I would.. Freud was a brilliant, awesome, speculative man.

There was no flim-flamin him. Amidst reports of dependence and other disasters that came along with the use of Coca. Freud, although not right away, eventually gave up his coke ways. He used it for a long time, yes. But gave it up with out ill effects. and no more advocated or prescribed it. (Freud, Coke PAPERS, Byck) Hoffman who discovered LSD came to admire it's effects. Berger discovered Librium, the famous benzodiazepine used for alcohol w/drawl and anxiety. He almost threw the discovery away because it was a chemical that had been sitting unused in the lab for quite some time. With some simple manipulation of the structure we now have our first benzo. produced. What I'm saying is that drugs, chemicals whatever I feel should be available in amounts safe for human consumption, like vitamins and herbs. It can be done. We live in a free society but we don't live in a free society. I should be able to put in my body anything I feel like putting in it. Should not I??? We can't hurt people along the way though. I feel there would be far less hurt to go around if this was the case. Do you?? Prescription only status was designed to keep opium and morphine away from eager hearts. We know this arrangement hasn't worked. And why did it come to include everybody?? this is not a free society. The Harrison Narcotic act, The food and drug amendments really killed it for us. Nixon forming the DEA. The ability for normal citizens to use drugs according to their wants and needs went to hell in a hand basket. Contrary to belief there is no war on drugs. There's a war on people who want to use drugs and be left alone though! There's no need for a DEA but all people need a job though right?? The DEA continues to misinform people about these awful, dangerous, harmful substances we know as Oxy, Xanax, Molly, etc.

Oxycontin is attacked every way and its abuse has lead to OD's and Dependence. What they leave out of these little tidbits is that people who OD have other pharmaceuticals on board also. To say people are Over dosing through Oxycodone alone is complete nonsense. Thats what we are told though. Same thing with Xanax, klonopin, valium. They combine it with alcohol and other sedatives but we are to believe that it's all because of these single drugs. I always laugh when I hear that and ask myself can people be that stupid to believe that??? It's like, "Yep" they can. People who OD are in fact for the most part inexperienced with these drugs. we know that because most addicts don't use alone, can consume massive doses of opiates at a time also it takes a considerable amount of time to die from an OD of opiates. Rarely does one just simply stop breathing. There are steps the body has to go through. Just like the stupid comment, "This drug is so addictive just taking it once leads to addiction." Who comes up with this nonsense. (See Carl Hart, "High Price" awesome book that does a great job dispelling these silly wives tales.) It takes a little work on the part of the user to become dependent on any drug. I feel addiction is made harder on people because of these punative laws that prohibit us from obtaining substances that we want to consume. I hope everyone does well. We need to stop listening to these silly stories and myths. to use drugs is ones own perogative not mine. Lets leave them alone should they so choose but also help when in need! Let me ask a question to you guys that I ask students. I am not a teacher just a Tutor at times in A & P and Drugs and Society. If one discover's a drug like Berger, hoffman (We can't include freud because he didn't discover Coca. just the person to become the scapegoat because he advocated it so much) should that person be able to manufacture it and use it for their own personal use????

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Oh Come On...........Expand you'r horizons a little bit!!!!

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Yeah it's true I wouldn't have put it on here if it wasn't.

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This is the most evil drug ever. I've been a highly functional drug addict for over 35 years. On day 5 without and ready to slit my own throat. Please.....if you read this.... Don't ever ever take these pills.

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Meant to say naloxone does not seem to have much effect. On the other hand this might not be true for everyone. I think if there has been no history of drub abuse in treatment and they stick to all the rules then i dont understand why need to have the naloxone it seems to be a policical thing and there is already to much government involvement in treatment medicine.

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No such law and they don't make u feel high unless u never took pills ect. better then being on dope and not working, u can work on subs and live normally. On dope i can die any day. On subs i am fine and can function normally. It's great and saved my life. Any drug can be abused.

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103 - dude - what do you mean? do research instead of asking a Dr.? I did do research and my Dr. is good friends with me and me and him got a good laugh out of this. No need to be snarky as I was just expressing MY opinion

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No its not, just that simple. Im sorry, but your doc must be a liar or just not know what hes talking about, not trying to sound snippy

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