I Need Suboxone To Show Up On My Drug Screen (Page 8) (Top voted first)

I have been taking blue Xanax for the past couple of days and my Suboxone Dr, who I am scheduled to see on Friday, does regular drug screens to make sure that only Suboxone is in my system. I've gotten one of my friend's urine to use on Friday. Only problem is, they don't take Suboxone! Can I sprinkle some crushed up Suboxone in their clean urine to show up that I'm clean besides Suboxone? If I just use the clean urine, he will know that it's a hoax because I've been testing clean but with Suboxone and there's no way I can go without taking it. But I can't just pee my own pee, because I was made to sign a form when I started treatment with him that states that an individual who tests dirty for Benzodiazepines SPECIFICALLY will be booted out of his clinic and cancelled as a patient. So, can't I just crush up a little Suboxone and put it in the clean urine or will that not work? Help!

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I absolutely empathize with your post. I also had similar experiences w/sexual abuse (from 3 yrs old until 17yrs old by my paternal grandfather) and no one knew. Not until I told them years later. By then I was a junkie. I've gotten clean several times, but I've stayed clean the longest (3 yrs now) by being on suboxone. I'm only on 2mg (started at 16mg) and am happy with the relief it provides (relief from cravings, etc.). I'm now a FT Student and doing well in my classes. My family loves me & has forgiven me. I pray and hope the best for you.

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Naturally testing positive for other drugs is not preferrable but with my doctor I was in college and sometimes would test positive for marijuana. My doctor would say "are you taking anything else to help you get off of the opiates" and I would say that I smoke weed from time to time. She would chuckle and say becareful they are like cigarettes but she is here to help get me off of opiates and not other drugs so that is her only concern, not weed. Which makes sense, I pay her to help me with opiate addiction, not anything else. I would not be concerned about weed, the medical community is much more receiving to it today than ever before and it really isnt anything to worry about UNLESS your doctor has specified that it is. Know the doctors limits and test the boundaries timidly.

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My situation is I do not take my FULL dose of suboxone. I take almost half. Starting next month my uds is also going to check my levels of suboxone. How can I make sure the correct levels are in my urine at the time of the uds?

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Interestingly enough they cannot tell how much sub has been taken (if using a urine test or standard blood test) they only look to see that the drug is in your system. I take far less than prescribed and only need it to register in the urine. Even if you take an eighth of a tablet/strip (8mg of course) which is only 1mg it'll still show up. Through what iv searched I know there is a way for them to detect how much drug has been taken but that's usually for how LONG and this involves very expensive testing of the density of the drug in hair follicles and what not. Used for high profile DUI cases or something along those lines, not for us. If you take 1mg the day of or 32mg 3 days before your gonna show up positive for sub, they can merely see its "presence" not amount or duration. Granted if your urine is wicked diluted or you're on the threshhold of it being out of your system the color of the line on the urine test will be weaker but technically they must score this as a pass and let it go. Iv had this happen bc maybe I hadn't been taking it and took a small amount the morning of hoping it'd be enough to pass but not enough to prevent a high later and you can just say you had a big gatorate or iced coffee.

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The suboxone has to come back METABOLIZED when the urine screen comes back OTHERWISE the Dr will know that u just added sub to clean pee. Sorry won't work. Just get a sample of your own pee and freeze it so the sub shows up and as long as you have a stockpile of pee in the freezer then you are set for up to a year. Best wishes! :)

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Wow! Cudos to you Sarah! That was very well said and, very understandable. Actually, you are one of the only people on here that made any sense! You are such an intelligent and well spoken girl which, just goes to show that addiction can affect anyone! Addiction knows no bounds, no age, no race, no creed. And, quite frankly, unless any of you judgemental people who commented negatively can walk on water than you're opinion does NOT matter! I pray for you during you're struggles with addiction Sarah. I hope that one day you can find that comfort and peace in you're heart again, without drugs. God Bless everyone who is struggling with this disease. I know it's not easy and I hope someday you can feel whole again.

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Ok, I posted a few days ago and I have an update.. I went to see my subox doc today and I asked for copies of the last 2 lab results.. It appears now that they switched labs and use a more sophisticated one... Anyway the 3 drug tests I will be writing about are one October, one from November, and today's.

October - In october I used a clean friend's urine who had nothing in his system except for a single 8mg subox film he took a like a day or two earlier.. However, I did not have much urine of his since I've been been using it the past few times I got tested. I had to add water each time. So each time it was about 1/8 of his urine and the rest water. October's test came back showing 9 ng/Ml of buprenorphine and 3 ng/Ml of norbuprenorphine. No problems with creatine (has to be below 20 ng/Ml to constitute a diluted sample. All other drugs and their metabolytes showed up negative. Test was done using Mass Spectromatry. I was a little surprised that the norbuprenorphine was lower than the parent drug, buprenorphine, in concentration.. It should be the other way around really...

November: This was the shocker! I ran out of my friend's urine at this point so I used chamomile tea, which kind of looks like urine, and dissolved about 2 mg (1/4 of a film) in the tea. Buprenoprine was off the chart, as expected, it was >1500 ng/Ml.. It should be like under 20 lol. There wasn't really any surprises considering I dissolved 2mg of subox, so obviously if the measurement is in nanograms, that'd be like 2 million ng... (I don't remember exactly how much less a nanogram is than a miligram but I believe its 10^-2 since it goes miligram, then microgram, then nanogram...) The most shocking part though was that there was actually 11 ng/Ml of norbuprenorphine detected by the lab test. I don't know how this could've happened since norbuprenorphine is produced from buprenorphine + liver enzymes. Maybe something in the chamomile tea/water made it this way... However, since I didn't use any urine in this test, my creatine was 0 ng/Ml.

Today's test. I used a combination of about 1/4 dog's urine (Dog ate about 1 mg of suboxone 2 days before I collected the urine) and chamomile tea with about 2 mg of suboxone dissolved in it. Preliminary tests showed a positive for suboxone. When the lab comes back it will most likely show a very high concentration of buprenorphine since I dissolved a strip in the tea+dogs urine mixture. However, it will also show norbuprenorphine since norbuprenorphine is also produced by a dog's liver. Also, the test before this, where I simply just used chamomile tea + dissolved subox and no urine, showed a normal concentration of norbuprenorphine. This time my creatine levels should be normal though since I did use a dog's urine.

Other comments: My doctor didn't even bat an eye at the fact that it clearly said the same may have been diluted and the creatine level was 0 ng/Ml!! Nor did he say anything about the astronomically high level of parent drug buprenorphine vs normal level of norbuprenorphine.

So in conclusion... Yes, dissolving a suboxone in water (use chamomile tea, it looks like urine) will work. It WILL WORK for the preliminary and for reasons that I don't understand it will show both buprenorphine and norbuprenorphine on the lab. However, if your doctor is strict and reads the lab results when they come in (mine doesn't not even before the visit, and I know this since he spent a few mins glancing over the results because I had asked the lab tech for them).. So obviously he didn't look at them earlier, put any notes in his patient chart, or even look at them before he came in the exam room... So yes, this system will work BUT you will have an abornormally high concentration of parent drug buprenorphine vs norbuprenorphine and also your creatine will be 0 ng/Ml.

Notes - Cut off on a dip stick test is 5 ng/ml for both buprenorphine and norbuprenorphine. I'm rx'ed 4 mgs of suboxone a day, or hlaf a strip... For opiods, at least from this lab, they test for methadone, EDDP, codeine, hydrocodone, hydromorphine, merepidine (demerol), morphine, tramadol, oxycodone, oxymorphone (Opana - my FAVVVV opiate! Opana 10 mg IR's pwn heroin) and 6 AM-Heroin (the main metabolyte of heroin along with 3 AM-Heroin). The cutoff are all 20 ng/ml for each drug except heroin which is 10 ng/Ml

So yeah, you CAN dissolve subox and it will shwo up as a positive on your preliminary.. To the people that said it would also should up as an opiate, I did some research... On old drug tests this did actually happen, however, the new drug tests have been reengineered so that buprenorphine does not give a false positive for opiates. And whoever wrote that buprenorphine IS an opiate is an idiot... It's completely synthetic. It is not derived from papaver somniforum (the poppy plant which opiates both legal and illegal like codeine, morphine, heroin, vicodin, etc. come from)

If you want to pass both the preliminary and the lab test, either get a friend who takes subox to pee for you or use a dog/cat... This will satisfy the preliminary dip stick test but also the creatine and appropriate levels on the lab. You can dissolve a subox in tea/water and use it as I mentioned earlier but you will have an abnormally high concentration of buprenorphine vs norbuprenorphine and also you creatine will be 0 ng/Ml... if you have any questions you can email me at xxxxx@xxx {edited for privacy}

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Another question, if I use clean urine with Subutex in it and freeze the left overs will the Subutex be detected in the next test (4 weeks later)?

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Dave, so if I get clean urine, have a friend take a Sub, and freeze the urine; the Suboxone will still be in the frozen urine for the next test (4 weeks)? How long can urine be frozen so that Subs still show up?

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Um there most definitely is a test for subs..its different then a regular 5(+) panel test..the test is specifically designed to detect subs..how else would suboxone clinic test they're patients? On a truth/trust system? I highly doubt tht would work w addicts! But u are right about regular tests, u can take subs and they will not b detected! So don't lie to ppl tht really need correct answers...u shouldn't act like ur so sure unless u total are...u should just speak about ur personal experience, like taking the test u took didn't detect it...

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How in the world do u get a dog to pee in a cup?tht sounds pretty impossible ..n cruel to b giving animals subs!

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my sub doctor lets me take my clonazepam. I have terrible anxiety attacks, so he lets me take it.

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HELLO? ANYONE? NEED HELP…I go to my Sub doctor in two weeks (1st week in Feb.) I have asked this question before, but no luck with anyone answering me. Anyway hopefully someone can answer my question by the time I go to my doc. So I am prescribed Subutex, and of course get drug tested as well as the separate test for Buprenorphine. I take Xanax, smoke pot, and I don’t want to get dropped from the program. My visit last month I got a friend to take a piece of Subutex the night before my test (and no dissolving Subs in urine makes you, or at least me show positive for opiates so that isn’t an option). He smokes pot, but at least Xanax isn’t in it. I have just enough Subs to last till my visit and can’t really spare any. I used his urine. Only pot, and Buprenorphine showed like planned. I froze his extra urine (this was about 4 weeks ago next week). My question is since I froze the urine almost 4 weeks ago will Buprenorphine still show in the frozen urine?

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@theguywhopostedbelow!
Why don't u guys just stop wasting everybody's time and money and let someone who gives a s#¡± about life have your spot in the clinic! If you're desperate enough to drug your animal for your sad, sadistic and very selfish reasons then not only do u have a seriously lethal drug addiction but you might want to get a psych evaluation instead of wasting other peoples time and money going to a program you have no intention of completing! :

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I agree totally with you. I tried numerous places over the course of a year and couldn't get in even though I was desperate to get clean. I was on waiting list after waiting list because people where in the sub program who didn't really want to get clean. I know a lot of people who only take their suboxone as a last resort when they don't have dope or sell their entire prescription to make money for dope. I got high October 17th of last year and took my first dose of suboxone the 18th . I've taken mine exactly as told and been clean ever since. I know plenty of people waiting and wishing they could get into a suboxone program but people just like this guy are ruining it for people who do wanna get their life together.

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LULABELL, thx for the info & for answering. I have tried to google this several times and never get the results I am looking for. Will the ingredient Buprenorphine still be detectable 4 weeks after freezing the urine and remain in the urine through the freezing/thawing process? Thanks so much!

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All of you who dont give advice to questions, and just judge people for there disease are NOT helping any of us!!!! We ARE trying to get it togeather!!!!! It's just sometimes we mess up. SORRY!!!! If we were not trying we wouldnt be going to the doctor for suboxone, we would be going to get real drugs that get us high...

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Shut up you ninny. No one is JUDGING anyone here. Obviously I'm an addict, hence the suboxone therapy.

I will repeat this one more time for THOSE IT APPLIES TO. It is upsetting to see people in the sub program who don't really have the desire to get and STAY clean. So if you slip no big deal, almost everyone does initially but if you go to have a fall back when you run out of dope then get the F out of MY way cuz I have followed the program to a T for over six months.

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@drug addict
I/We are not criticising anyone for "slipping" or dealing with the bumps in the road to recovery, that's all a given in this game. It's the ones that take up a very vital spot in a program intended to assist US with our goals of sober living! And I say US because I am also a recovering junkie with absolutely no right to criticise anyone! I am just saying that when peopleÂmake comments or ask how to manipulate the program so that they can continue using while having suboxone as a way of getting the preferred drug or as a last resort type of thing, there are others here that feel that as a slap in the face! People either on a waiting list or people that are scrutinized for being in a program that others have given a negative image to. I was a junkie for over 10 years I've been in a suboxone program for about a year now and have NEVER even had the urge to jeopardize my spot! It took over 6 months to even get an appt and I'd rather not give this addiction anymore time than I already have! Like I said before, I'm in no way criticising anyone! The people taking up valuable space in a program with the wrong intentions know who they are, and they are the ones jeopardizing someone else's recovery!

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Did it work, dissolving a sm piece of strip in clean Urine?

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