How To Get Off Suboxone Successfully - Step By Step (Page 5)
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If you are struggling with getting off Suboxone successfully, you may want to take the time to read this. I have read a ton of hype about Suboxone being impossible to get off. How the withdrawal symptoms carry on for days, even months. Below, I would like to encourage you and let you know that it can be done. I AM LIVING PROOF YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS FEAT!!! I have been free of Suboxone and all other drugs and alcohol for 3 months and I have never felt better in my life!!! THE WAY THAT SUCCESS HAPPENED FOR ME AND CAN HAPPEN FOR YOU: For months I read Suboxone blog sites in the effort to gather some element of hope that would encourage me to make the “jump” to get off my final 1/8 tab (1mg) of Suboxone. At the point I started reading these blog sites, I had come down from 2.5- 8 mg (total 20 mg) tablets of Suboxone. It was fairly easy to get down to 1/8 tab (1 mg). Don't get me wrong, I had moments of mood swings and depression that would fool me because of the way that the mood swings would creep up on me. I felt bipolar during the final ½ tablet to ¼ tablet and finally to 1/8th tablet before I “Jumped off”: The good news is that earlier dose decreases do not affect you as much as you would think. I went from 2.5 tablets to 2.0 tables per day in one week. I didn't even notice any withdrawal. Then, in just two weeks I had the courage to go down to 1.5 tablets per day…. Still, only slight mood swings. Then, I went down to 1 tablet per day a week later. Then 3 weeks later I went down to ½ tablet per day. Again, at this point only mild mood swings that I could deal with because I was expecting much worse. NOTE: I ALWAYS DIVIDED THE DOSES TO AM / PM DOSES.. IT HELPED. THE BEGINNING OF THE CHALLENGING PART: Going from ½ to ¼ tablet per day it started to get a little tougher for the first week in terms of mood swings and a tricky onset of depression. Expect bipolar behavior. Tell your family and whoever is in your life if you can. Let them know that they can pray for you if you or they are believers in God. If you don't believe in God, don't stop reading this posting.. I will get to the Spiritual side of things later in this posting. For now, it is my heart and hope that you will read this method of getting off Suboxone. No punches held though, I will be up front with you, I am personally a believer in the one true God- Jesus Christ. He is the One who encouraged me to get on this website and help you with encouragement, hope and truth about what to expect on this tough, but wonderful journey of getting off Suboxone. The choice to believe in God is yours, but I will say that the prayers of my dad and wife were powerful and effective. There was times when I simply could not pray for myself because I didn't feel sane enough to even pray at times, though I still gave it my best. I brought up the prayers right now for you because the bible tells us in Psalm 145:18-19 "The Lord is near to all who call on Him; all who call on Him in truth. He fulfills the desires of those who fear Him. He hears their cry and He saves them". That said, let's begin the final jump shall we. THE FINAL JUMP FROM 1/8 TABLET: NOTE REGARDING SUPPLEMENTS: I wish that BEFORE I jumped off at 1/8 tablet, I would have used these endorphin boosting supplements. They can be found at just about any health food store. DLPA 1000 mg twice per day, GABA 500 Mg twice per day, Reloria two capsules twice per day, and 5HTP two capsules per day. I would have been better off to have started these supplements a couple of weeks prior to my final jump, but I strongly believe that they helped the process probably more that I could imagine. I am still on these supplements, now some 3 months off Suboxone. (I am not a doctor, nor am I acting in the role of a doctor, so as always please consult a physician prior to starting these supplements) When I was on 1/8 tablet for 2 weeks I tried to completely stop taking Suboxone and had such a bad first night that it scared me into staying on 1/8 tablet per day, taken in the morning, for 2 months. The problem now lay in the fact that I was going through withdrawal in the middle of the day and a few times I even chose to drink alcohol in the afternoon. I didn't connect that the withdrawal was actually causing my fiending for drugs and alcohol. Those two months were not good times for me. When I finally came to the conclusion that I might be better off just getting off Suboxone completely, it was time to plan. I work for myself and I could hardly afford to take the time off work for fear that I might lose all my clients. I wasn't sure how long it would take to get off Suboxone and get back to a working state of mind? Drum roll please…. Here is how long it takes to start feeling better…. IT TAKES 6 DAYS BEFORE YOU START FEELING BETTER THAN YOU EVER IMAGINED!!! DO NOT LISTEN TO ANY LIE!!! What You Can Expect: Day 1: This morning skipped my morning, and only dose of Suboxone. I worked out pretty hard lifting stretching and lifting light, high repetition weights. Don't forget to push yourself to work out even if you don't feel like it. It is hugely important! That night I took two Benedryl and it didn't work like I hoped it would. I was so miserable, achy body, cramping in my calves, a "drive a person crazy" kind of feeling. At this point I had gotten 2 mg tablets from the Dr. because I told her I needed to be able to cut them down while I weaned myself off of them. So I cut a 2 mg film tablet into ¼ which is .5 mg of Suboxone. In summary, I chickened out the first night. I did sleep after that for about 5 hours. For those of you who still have the 8 mg. tablets, this means that you would have to split one up into 1/16 which is pretty hard to do, but possible if you have good eyes and you don't cheat and take the bigger portion. :) Day 2: The .5 mg from the night prior made this morning like a fairly normal morning. So I stretch for a long time and then worked out hard. After work out, I felt even better, but by afternoon the withdrawal set in again. Felt like I drank all kinds of coffee but I didn't . I was agitated and twitchy, making my mind and physical body feel terrible. To combat it, I stayed very busy all day with cleaning and yard work in the effort to keep my mind and body occupied. I couldn't focus on God yet…. My mind was too messed up. Yes, a person's mind can be too messed up to “feel” God, but trust me He was there with me. Hind sight I see that He was with me every step of the way. I just couldn't believe that He would let me go through such agony, but He is a God who loved me enough to let me feel the pain enough so that I would remember it. This way I would not go back!! Night came and I became scared that I would give in again, but instead about two hours before bed I took another couple Benedryl and this time it worked a little I slept about 4 hours and was miserable the rest. I recommend taking lots of warm baths or showers when you can't sleep, instead of just lying there. Day 3: Day 3 and Day 4 are the worst. The greatest advantage you have though is that you are starting to get used to the twitchy, feeling like you are crawling out of your skin feeling. Go ahead and stretch your calves as frequently as you can. Flex them as often as possible. I heard from one doctor that it helps work the withdrawal out of your body. I did manage to get out in the yard and work on Day 3. I waited until I felt my best, then took advantage of the moment and went out and "spazzed out" on yard work as much as I could handle it. I even broke a sweat which lifted me up considerably. I took a couple of Benadryl before I went to bed, but only slept a total of about 2 hours the whole night. I couldn't focus enough to read, nor pray, nor watch a movie. None of that was going to happen, so I would either jump in the bath or shower or even find something to do I could tell that sleep was not an option. The first part of the morning on Day 4 is among the greatest challenges I have ever faced. Glad I did not have much planned, because Day 4 morning was the worst of the whole experience. Day 4: Morning was awful because I was up the night before almost the whole night. That lack of sleep will mess with your head and try to get you to go back. On this day the middle of the day gave me a few very small ½ glimpses of hope. I felt my first surge of my own endorphins come back. Only a couple ½ hour spurts, but hey it gave me hope to NOT turn back. I figured I went this far, I might as well finish this.!! I thought I was going to sleep well this night, but it didn't happen…. Only 4 hours combined , but hey that was progress from the night before. Remember, baby steps. Celebrate the small victories. Relish them! Stay tuned and hang in there because the reward came to me in Day 5!! Day 5: I worked out first thing in the morning. I pushed myself to do it. I started with a stretch routine. Then I felt like working out. So, try stretching first, then consider working out. I have in my notes 50/50 written down. This means that half the day I felt bad and half the day actually felt good. Did you hear that?…. I felt good. …. That is right … you can get past this. For half of Day 5 I felt better than I ever felt on Suboxone. It was natural and it was the way that God designed me to feel. My own endorphins made their first appearance and they showed up in fine fashion. The bad parts of this day caused me to want to take a nap, so if you have the liberty to do so, then by all means, indulge in that nap. Nap , nap , nap. Because if you answer the call to the mid day naps you will wake up feeling better each time. Don't worry about the extreme tiredness on day 5 and 6, just become a temporary nap person. Listen to you body and what it wants. God is trying to let you know what you need. Day 6: Congratulations!! You have made it to the other side. I may have had 2 hours of bad feelings today , but the rest was AWESOME. I was productive, back to work, working out hard etc. Day 7 and 8: I am putting day 7 and 8 on here because I did hit some tired spells and down times but only a couple hours each day total. I encourage you to nap when you feel like napping. Also be encourage that it only gets better and better from here on out. Why I Got Off Suboxone: Everyone will have their reasons for getting off Suboxone. I can only share with you what my reasons were. If you have read this far then you must be pretty determined for your own reasons. I started feeling like I was feinding for other drugs when I was on two " 8 mg tablets per day, so I asked my Dr. to increase the dose to 2.5 tablets per day. Two months later I started feinding for other drugs or alcohol again. So I asked my Dr. to up the dose to 3.0 tablets per day. Two months later I started feinding for other drugs, chew, alcohol etc. Are you starting to get the picture? This may not be the case for everyone, but it seemed to be the case for me. The whole purpose of Suboxone in the first place was to decrease these cravings and for a time, Suboxone was effective. It gave me enough time to get it through my head that I didn't want to be a heroin or pill addict anymore and that I wanted to get my life together. Another reason that I decided to get off Suboxone was that I was also curious if it would feel better to just be on nothing? (Except the supplements that I mentioned above) The outcome that I came to is that I feel way better than I ever have in terms of physical, mental, and Spiritual well being. THE TESTIMONY: If you have read this far you may as well keep reading because the best part is yet to come. Remember, I am of the opinion that it was my faith in God that led me down this long and intricate road that I just described above called, "How To Get Off Suboxone " Successfully". God worked in ways that I never would have dreamed. I could have strategized all month long and never came up with the plan, method, or the outcome that God came up with. The Bible says in the book of Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways my ways", says the Lord. You may not believe in God, or maybe you do, or maybe you know God, but stopped believing. If you are one who is running away or does not believe in God, know this, drugs and alcohol can certainly fog your view of God. It is my opinion that first you must get clean and sober then you have a better chance of making an informed decision as to God's authenticity. Whether you believe in God or not, you will one day face Him. Either he will be welcoming, or judging you. I have chosen to give Him my life and submit to everything that is written in the Bible. I accept it as truth. The bible says that the Word of God is Living and Active. It also says that every word within it is inspired NOT by man, but by God. I have chosen to believe this and it has changed the way I think. Romans 12:2 "Do not conform any longer to the patterns of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." If this part of my testimony and experience sounds too Churchy to you, then at least do yourself a favor, … Ask God to help this "Christian talk" make sense to you. Seriously, have you even told Him that the "Churchy Stuff" makes NO sense to you? Have you even told Him that? Have you bothered to share that with Him? Do you know that He cares and wants to hear that come from your mouth? He wants to hear you humbly express to God that you don't know. Have you opened yourself up to the fact that if you open yourself up to Him that He will begin to show you the "mysteries" of His Word like you never imagined possible? 2 Chronicles 7:14 says, "If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from Heaven and will forgive their sins and heal their land." If you have read this far then, then I believe that the Spirit of God is calling you…. Listen to it!!! Jesus states that "My sheep hear my voice" The place where you are if you are reading this is not a comfortable place. I have been right where you are. With all sincerity, I want you to get to where I am. True Joy is in my heart every day that I awake. There is a peace that surpasses all understanding that guides me now. I strongly encourage you to seek God first, because I want to see the peace of God enter your heart and mind. RELAPSE PREVENTION: For me, I have found that devoting myself to praying and studying my Bible and reflecting on what God has done and what He promises has been life changing. The Bible says, "Who is going harm you if you are eager to do good" 1 Peter 3:13, It also says, "a prudent man foresees evil and hides himself" Proverbs 27:12 I have a half hour to 45 minutes carved out each morning to spend reading my bible, praying much thanks and reflecting on what the bible is saying. I also listen to J. Vernon McGee on Through The Bible .org the web address is ttb.org. You can't claim to not understand the Bible, because this website WITH AUDIO walks you through the Bible verse by verse in an exciting way. And it is FREE!! If you don't believe the Bible at this point, try listening to the Dr. J. Vernon McGee's audios. There is a new one posted every day. Or check out the archives. CONCLUSION: I do hope that you put some thought into all of this. If you can't think straight right now because you have already started your final descent off Suboxone, then wait until you feel good enough to really absorb what I just shared with you through the "Testimony" section of this posting. I am not trying to sell you on anything… I simply care for you because that is what God has put on my heart. I have been through what you are going through and I want to encourage you. I would like to leave you with this scripture: Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. May God Richly Bless Your Life.
ONEDAYFREE: Stay strong, you can do it. As far as "never wanted to feel HIGH"...those of us who are indeed opioid addicts, we really won't feel "high" from Suboxone. Anyone looking to "feel high" on Bupe is looking at the wrong drug. Really the only people who can feel euphoria from Bupe are those who don't actually have an opioid addiction. Anyway, I wish you luck.
I too am praying to be delivered from this sub addiction. I became addicted to pain pills back in mid 80's then was put on methadone for 14 years then in 2011 due to all the sudden started having unexplained anxiety panic attacks stomach issues after many many test and still no findings dr's said it may be the long term use of opiates/methadone so I had no choice but to detox off of a 175mg per day of the methadone. I had never heard of suboxone at this time but right when I got into full blown WD they came in and said here put this strip under your tongue...it will start relieving you of your symptoms shortly. Well anyone that has been in full blown WD and here's those words would gladly open there mouth with out hesitation!! Well that was in a detox center in Arizona that my daughters had found and sent me too back in 2011 and here it is Sept 2016 and I'm still in chains to this demon of addiction. BUT when I found this site it is the first time I actually seen or felt a glimmer of HOPE. I think my biggest fear is that since the mid 80's so for the past 31 years I have taken DAILY either RX-opiates or methadone 14 yrs and now subs since 2011. Could my brain ever be able to repair itself? I had got up to 1 3/4 tabs (14mg) but this past year I very slowly have got myself down to 6mg. I guess I'll never know if the natural endorphines will kick in and work again or not until I try but that is why I got addicted to them in the first place is because of my depression.
I never wanted to feel a HIGH, I just wanted to feel normal for the first time in my life....It made me want to actually get up and do stuff with the kids etc...I can see how the enemy has used this lie but it still doesn't make the depression any less. Anyway now when I try to go any lower on the subs my STOMACH PAIN is unbearable. I was wondering if anyone else had this issue? It's like I can't really get to any other WD symptoms due to this stomach issue. I remember from past WD feeling nauseated but the pain was mainly in my arms and legs etc. You know I had pretty much accepted that I would be on this the rest of my life and I was fine with that. But now here at age 57 my body may be telling me different. I lost my job as Medical Assistant of 14 yrs with Integris due to my unexplainable illnesses-anxiety panic attacks with migraines back in 2011. Now on disability it takes everything out of me because I loved my job and was a workaholic and miss it so very much. I also lost my husband of 34 yrs in 2010.So I do realize I have alot of emotions I am going to have to deal with if I am ever UNTHAWED. And this to me gets very scary because the thoughts of my brain not being able to heal itself after going thru WD and just being a vegetable is almost more than i can bear. I guess I am hoping for any feedback especially on long term daily use...May God Bless each One of You for sharing your life in HOPES to help another!
JESS27: Can you get any prescriptions like Soma or Clonidine? I'm sorry you are having to go through this. How ridiculous that they want you to come off of Subs because you are in a drug program, when Subs are exactly what you SHOULD be taking if you are in treatment. Makes absolutely NO sense. NONE. You are way more likely to stay clean if you are on some sort of Opiate Replacement Therapy than just cold turkey. The logic behind these kind of decisions is ridiculous.
Hey all I'm on subs. 3 x's a day. 24mg n need to come off. My Dr said I have to wean myself off. Well the nurse practitioner told me to take two for 5 days, then one for 5 days, then one every other day for a week, then one every two to four days, then come completely off. And I know that's bulls***. U can't just come off one a day to nothing. And I have to come off them cuz my probation officer said I have to. Cuz I'm in a drug program n they won't allow me to take subs. So they told me I need to get weaned off. I've been on them a year. I need help cuz I've gotta tell my p.o what that stupid Dr told me n it's ridiculous! I'm terrified of withdrawals n can't order any supplements.
JAM: Good for you! I know that sometimes it takes a few days for you to really feel the effects of things like Methadone and Subutex, because they are long acting, so they take a while to completely leave your system. When I lower my dose of Methadone, I don't all that bad until at least 3 days in. Also, luckily for you, 4 mgs. is a pretty low dose of Bupe. When I switched from Bupe to Methadone, I was on 30 mgs, which is almost the "ceiling" dose. If you had missed a 30 mg dose for 4 days, you would be in a world of hurt. I hope it continues to go smoothly for you!
Sleep is really hard to come by right now. I jumped from 16mg to 2mg in a month: 2 weeks at 8, followed by two weeks at 4. No real difficulties. And I am a stone junkie. Now at 2mg I go to sleep around 9 pm and my eyes pop open at 1:30 am. I lay there for a while trying to go to sleep to no avail. Then once I hammer myself with real strong vape,(2-4 puffs), a 5mg melatonin, a 40mg Lisinopril and a 10mg. Librax, out I go for another 3-4 hours. Then I am up. Only taking half my Aderral IR dose. But I have been around the block and I know it gets better. The fear of withdrawel is always worse than the truth of withdrawal. Am dropping the vodka right now. Like I said before, don't wanba X change A for B. Peace.
I was an opiate patient and have been on first Subutex, then Suboxone, for 8 years now. I had been drilled in our groups that it was horribly painful to get off this medication. They said we needed a huge recovery program and to be on the tiniest dose. Well, I must be an oddball, I am on my fourth day of missing my lowered dose of 4 mg, and I haven't felt anything yet. I do have some special circumstances, I do have Huntington's Disease, and I don't know if that is affecting my reaction. I also take Topamax to prevent migraines and Effexor for Anxiety. I really think I added wrong and that today is day five. For the last two days I have been putting together a pergola in the backyard. I was playing the carpenter. Not something that somebody my age, height, and condition would do. But I did it! Lately, I have been doing a lot of praying and I am truly happy that I came along this site. After the Suboxone, I am going to get off of the Topamax!
When I was with my kids today I actually laughed from my gut. I haven't laughed like that just for silly little things since I've been on this blasted medicine. It really takes away the essence of a person.
I wish the best to everyone in their searches in life for truth, comfort and happiness!
DON: Wow, you really have been through it! I am also a long term opioid addict, 30+ years. My addiction was always 100% opioid focused tho... I was always a social drinker, nothing more. And I do still use marijuana, but purely medicinally. I don't like the way it makes me feel, so I am mostly using the CBD products. All the medicinal properties of MMJ without the "high". I am on tablet Methadone, started at 90 mgs, and have gone down to 80. I may need to be on some form of ORT for life, but I would like to at least get my Methadone dose a bit lower. The drop from 90 to 85 mgs was easy, but then going 85 to 80 mgs is taking a lot longer to adjust. I was on Subutex for a few years, the max dose, and it just never did it for me, so I switched back to Methadone. I wish you all the best, it is a long and tough battle, especially for those like you and I, who have been dealing with this for a LONG time! Hang in there!
I have taken Clonidine. I was an opiate addict on 20 bags a day PLUS an eight-ball of coke. Then I got clean and sober for 13 years. At the end of January 2011, I had a 35lb log of mosquito fly off my lathe and into my head. It has made me less smart. Math is no longer easy. Anyway, I went back on the Subs. Was prescribed Adderall for ADD cause I owned a cabinet shop and needed help with details. At first I paid cash out of pocket for 24mg of that crap until I had to declare bankruptcy. Now I have gone from 16mg to 2mg PRN in less than a month with little problem. BUT, in order to do this, am slamming down 3/4 of a fifth per day of cheap vodka. Plus marijuana 2-3 times a week and it is just feeling s***ty to me. I am feeling like that 20 bag + 8 ball per day junkie I was in 1996. BUT, getting down to a low SUB dose makes me feel good about myself. I got the info about amino acids which help kick start yer brain into working and inducing endorphin production and am gonna keep going down until I get to an 1/8 of a 2mg. Then I am putting it all in Gods hands, where it is anyway. Thanks for your kind & encouraging comments. When I jump of the Subs, I'll jump off the vodka and marijuana and get back to the sober person I was for a long time. If you are sober but thinking about "maybe just a beer" my recommendation is that you speak with someone that knows you. Like your Mom, Dad or your sponsor. Mine OD'd on opiates....so choose carefully.
SCOTT: You mention different amino acids used in recovery. I wonder if you have heard of Synaptamine or LavitaRDS. It is a blend of aminos specifically for brain repair after addiction. And they are using a nano-technology that is amazing so that it crosses the BB Barrier more efficiently. Google Synaptamine. I have just started using it. I was doing the GABA thing, and am still supplementing the Synaptamine with DPA (no "L").
I haven't have much luck with Melatonin in the past, but may give it another chance. I do use Mag-Calm powder and Valerian root before bed to help with sleep though. Am also doing 3000mgs of fish oil, lots of B, and pretty good doses of ascorbic acid powder before meals. I have a great therapist who is into the kinds of things you speak of for recovery. Nutrition, aminos, high-quality supps, etc are all a part of it. She is flipping AMAZING! Check out that Synaptamine.
DON: Have you tried Clonidine for relaxation and sleep? It is a blood pressure medicine that helps with that "heeby jeeby", skin crawling feeling of withdrawal, and definitely helps with sleep. But unlike Trazadone or things like Benzos, you don't wake up with that fuzzy, groggy feeling. And doctors are more likely to prescribe it than many other things.
I take 5mg of melatonin and 50 mg of Trazodone when I am having trouble sleeping, which is most nights. Still nothing like the 7 days without sleep coming of methadone. So am trying to get by on 2mg strip per day, broken in halves. So far the best sleep med is 2 hits off the vape. Last night I slept 7 hours. But don't want to trade A for B...been there, tried everything. We shall see how I progress. Thanks for all the nutritional tips. I actually went out for a walk today. Gonna do it tomorrow.
Where do you find all these nutrients?
thanks
I am a former opiate addict and have been on Suboxone since 1996, back when it was just Buprenex inj. I am so sick of being on this stuff, the insurance battles, the expense, the doctors who only take cash, and the withdrawal from life. So, I have gone from 16mg to 3 mg in a month and so far, I have yet to go insane. I have Trazodone for sleep but hate the foggy wake up from it. It is getting bumpy right now, so I am not in a hurry to hurt myself and will just wait till it stabilizes. I quit once before, but couldn't deal with my then (not) ex-wife. Now, its just me on SSDI, so no reason not to be able to do it. Thanks to all the posters whose experience, strength and hope are giving me the cojones to push through this. Suboxone is a wonderful poison and I look forward to seeing what I really feel like in my own skin, again. God Bless!
That is a great story and a sweet plan. Blessings and peace. Love your desire to help others, as I also do. What I would add is around the Nutrients. The doses of DLPH need to be much higher. 2000mg three to four times a day. There are even treatment places using DLPH in IV forms. GABA also needs to be much higher, you can take 3000-5000mg a day when in acute withdrawal. 5Htp-take it three times a day at 100mg. Also you must add 2000mg of Omega 3 fish oil and drink lots of coconut water. You must load up on all the vitamin Bs, way before you even go into withdrawal. Melatonin comes in sublingual form, just like Subutex. Take 5-10mg of Melatonin at night and add Sublingual Gaba too. Anyone wanting information can write me back. This is what I do and got a certification in this brand new field.
I do this only to help those heal, not for money.
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HOPE: Agree with Kristo, that would be a better plan. Not such an abrupt stop.
Yes Hope I think that would help ween him off better.
I'm wondering instead of him taking two milligrams every other day shouldn't he be taking it daily like one milligram twice a day for a week or two and then one milligram one today for week and just keeping it cut down weekly. Any feedback would be very appreciative may God bless you all and my prayers are with you. Godspeed
HOPE: He may do better with doing 1 mg every day, rather than 2 every other day. Just a thought. Is his goal to come off completely? Yeah, he's gonna feel like crapola for a while. If you could get him to an MD to get some Clonodine and maybe some Soma, that would help a LOT. Or at least some Benadryl and/or Nyquil Cold Gels....to relieve some of the symptoms like runny eyes and nose, sniffling and sneezing, and they may help him sleep. Good luck.
My son was on 16 milligrams strips today he has now got himself down to two milligrams every other day and is having a very rough time I have read your whole story very encouraging and very blessed that you have shared this for others. I do believe in the Lord Jesus Christ Our Savior always have always will . Myself I'm battling trying to quit smoking cigarettes. . May God bless all your footsteps amen! !
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