How Long After You Stop Suboxone Do You Have Withdrawal Symptoms? (Page 2) (Top voted first)

My 63y/o mother survived chemo and radiation for throat cancer but was unable to stop the morphine 15mg twice a day without horrible withdrawal symptoms. Her MD put her on Suboxone 8mg/2mg once a day in June. She even took half the strip on most days and the doctor was very pleased and anticipated that she would be able to stop altogether in November. She unfortunately had a stroke 14 days ago and has been in the hospital. The first 7 days she was confused from the stroke but now she is weak and forgetful but is no longer disoriented. She told me tonight that she thought she needed her Suboxone. She said she thought she was going thru withdrawal. I was floored. She is not having any outward signs of withdrawal: no back/stomach pain, no nausea/vomiting, no sweating or tremors. Isn't 14 days long enough for the Suboxone to be completely out of your system and for withdrawal symptoms to have come and gone??? Any answers will be greatly appreciated.

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November 14th 2013 was the last day I took suboxone. Its so fantastic to sleep 8 hours a night now..but those first 35-40 days, I never slept more than 1 or 2 hours at a time..the insomnia and restless leg were the worst. I did get a fast grip on my depression by using the amino tryptophan. Anyways, I am 75 days clean of everything.. I never thought the PAWs were going to end..they just seemed to last forever.. Hope you all can get clean, and start enjoying life the way it was meant to be

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I have been on suboxone for almost 2 weeks now. It started at 16mg a day and very quickly I took my self down to 8 mg then to 4mg and now 2 mg a day. If I keep tapering down like this will I avoid the withdrawals since I have not yet reached my 2 week mark yet?? I don't want to be addicted to subs at all. I just want to be fre from it all!!

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I thought the subs had done permanent damage to me also, because of how long the PAWS/Withdraw lasted. But I feel now, that there is no permanent damage, although I cannot say for 100%.. I feel great.. and once you get to where I am, I am believing that you will feel as good as I do. Its just hell to get thru, and it feels like it will never end, but trust me, it does. I thought there was no end in sight, then one day, I was back to normal. And strangely, the PAWS has not returned...which is amazing in itself. Just keep plugging along.. you will get there

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I was on subs for 3 years maybe 4. Luckily i was sharing and only took 1 strip a day for the whole time and i tapered dwn to a half of a quarter. I did the taper in 1 month period of time.. Im on day 9 today feel lil bit better. Drs are the cause of this pain for me. this dr put me on 2 8mg strips a day to quit a norco addiction only was taken 5 a day tops and dr gives me same dose he gives a 10 year H addict! That's the problem! Paws does suck but I'm slowly feeling better accept sleep is blah but better every day and no energy. Plus its freezing cold where I'm at.. I wish i could go run outside but its 2degrees outside! This does suck bad but i truly believe i WILL feel normal and get back to my loving life ways.. Its impossible to love life when u depend on a orange strip! Subs are the worst but if i can do it so can anyone! Fyi i do have tiny cravings sometimes but its day 9 i would have to be a complete loser to relapse that's not happening! I do feel like a carona though.. Also my sub dr gave me .50mg trazodone for sleep i got script on day 6 its def helping! Good luck fellow users get and STAY clean for urself and others around u..

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You have only been on subs for 2 weeks? And I would not call what you did, Tapering.. I think what you have done is found your correct dose. But honestly, tapering takes time. 2 weeks on suboxone, you are still trying to find the right dose. Once you do that, then you can begin tapering. But you have not even been on it long enough to get PAWS..though you will have some withdrawls Im sure.. but should not be that bad at all.. everybody is different, and reacts different. I dont know your history, or what pain meds or drug you were on before subs.. so I really cannot give you advice. Except this.. do not stay on subs for years like I did.

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Your energy will gradually come back. Try and not do what I did. Suboxone made me so sleepy, that I drank coffee in the morning, and 1 cup in the evening. It worked, but coffee is very bad for depression. I would say, get on L-Tryptophan as soon as you can, as this is a great way to combat depression. As far as energy, I would go to the health food store, and get the natural energy capsules. I mean, I could tell you to do the coffee, but that is one of the golden no no's while coming off suboxone, cause of the depression. As for your anxiety, grab some Valerian Root capsules,450mg. This along with the Tryptophan will help with anxiety, as well as depression.

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Ill be approaching 90days clean this Saturday. Hard to believe actually. Never went to counseling except during my 4 day stay in hospital. Its just I felt too horrible to even leave the house for those first 35-40 days, otherwise I would have went. But I made it, and what I find hard to believe, is that the PAWS are completely gone, this quickly. Ive heard that they can last up to a year or longer in some long term users cases. And being on suboxone for 8 years, I thought I would be doomed with PAWS for at least a year. Im guessing, and its only a guess, but the amino's and herbs I took from day 1 of quitting suboxone, has helped rid me of the PAWS.. other than that, I do not know why they did not last longer. I always heard you could have good weeks, then they come back.. but they have not come back yet.. maybe they will one day...I hope not. I feel better than I ever have in the last 8 years. And hoping you all can have this same feeling very soon.

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I feel sorry for anybody that has to go through the withdrawal. As I mentioned in a previous chat I weaned off it twice (twice the dummy). I went to an expert addition specialist who convinced me to try a 10% withdrawal each month. I know this will take a long time for many people but it does work. I did it the second time and got down 1/8 mg and still had some symptoms but nothing like I did going cold turkey the first time and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy on 24 mg per day. That was hell and didn't sleep for 6 days or eat for 3 weeks. I couldn't move or make the effort to take a shower. Once you're off it's not always home free. There is a condition called PAWS post acute withdrawal syndrome. This can last from a few weeks to six months depending on the person. The symptoms are similar to withdrawal. Restless leg, night sweats, flu like etc. they do go a away and don't present everyday. Some people never get them. From talking in the rooms it seems the younger you are the more you can deal with it. It helps to take hot showers often during the day and at night. Someone mentioned going back on the opiate. That is not a bad idea and will soon be in the AMA guidelines from what I'm hearing. In that case the person goes back on the opiate for at least a month to 6 weeks. This gives the Suboxone the time to leave the body. Wean down if possible and bear the several days to a week of feeling crapy, nothing close to the Suboxone withdrawal. I hope people find the hope and courage to do this for themselves and be in a safe place to do it where you're not going to drink or take other drugs to aid the withdrawal. Clonedine is a weak drug that can take a little of the pain away but frankly I didn't see the value of it. My prayers are with you all. Anyone who does this has to apt themselves on the back for being courageous.

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Naltrexone is a compound form of VIVITROL at a much reduced price which you can take orally instead of the monthly shot in the hip which is very painful and does not maintain a constant syrum level. The reason your Doctors do not mention it is purely price. They make much more on the VIVITROL shot than they can on writing the Nalextrone prescription. How sad is that? Nalextrone is taken daily and tastes like children's caugh syrup.

March 13, 2016 marked the beginning of twelve months off of Suboxone. I will be 70 years old on July 15th, 2016 which causes the Neaurologist and Psychiatrist to write baby size scripts for me in my effort to get by the Parethesia (burning skin syndrome). I am on 2mg of Klonopin. Many thanks to those of you who have given me many suggestions based on what is working for you.

Zonisamide was prescribed by my Neaurologist on Thursday. A regular starting dose is 100mg. Heists tarting me at 25mg for two weeks the up to 50mg for ten weeks. During the ten years on prescribed opiates I gained sixty pounds. This anti seizure medicine will increase my metabolism, raise my base temperature, drastically reduce my weight and hopefully stop the burning skin. The maximum dose is 400 mg per day. Other benefits are the elimination of essential tremors. I will keep everyone posted on it's success.

Prior to visiting the Neaurologist on the 17th, I was in the emergency room because of severe lumbar pain causing me to be immobile. An MRI indicated I was structurally fine and was going through a phase of withdrawals.

I cannot stress enough the disadvantages of using Suboxone to get off of other opioids or opiates. I have gone through eleven months of hell. Thanks to God I am retired and can afford to suffer this pain at home. Those of you that have to continue to work have my admiration for your tenacity and strength.

To my many new friends I offer my thanks for your concern and to those of you new to this thread I suggest reading it in reverse order as there are several great suggestions that will work for you and off course some that will not. Going back to the old ways is not an option. The CDC is really cracking down as narcotic prescriptions from primary care Doctors have increased 400% since 2000. Now it is early impossible to receive a narcotic prescription that is not closely scrutinized. That is a good thing.

I have learned it is important to keep moving around to help eliminate the pain. There are many drugs listed in this thread that are a real life saver. Remember everybody's body will react differently. I am allergic to Cymbalta, Lyrica, SSRI's, SNI's and other designer drugs. Many are physically dependant or addictive themselves. Age is a big factor in this struggle.

My son is an Orthopedic Surgeon and said 90% of people have these back issues at one time or another during their lifetime. They usually do not last beyond ten weeks. I am down to two issues at present. Severe back lumbar pain and burning skin. I will update you on my new med and wish all of you a Happy Easter.

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Hi Jessica, glad to hear you're still doing well. At day 15 the bupe is likely out of your system and the worst is over. Your body has already begun the healing process. Congrats! As I said before, be wary of PAWS and don't give in to cravings or temptations. One thing to look forward to is the freedom from meds. I can't even put into words how liberating it was to not have to worry about Dr appts every month, Dr fees, trips to the pharmacy, counting out meds to make sure I had enough to get by, trying to fill early, yada yada yada. That was my life for 3 years. I even once ended a family vacation to the beach early because I had to make to to my sub appointment! I now don't have to worry about ANY of that BS. That was probably the greatest feeling in the world and what kept me going at times. Those thoughts of dread will soon disappear for you too. I remember one day in the middle of all of the wds driving around running errands when it hit me, I had just gone the entire day without thinking about subs or wds once! At that moment I realized I had beaten the bear. That excitement that I felt alone was worth all of it. And once your back to 100% (which WILL happen) you'll be amazed at how great NATURAL happiness actually is. I forgot what it was like to wake up in a good mood for no reason, and to have energy just because the sun was out after all of those years clouding my brain with opiates. I took my last sub on October 17, 2014 after 3 years of pain killers and 3 more years on subs and I've never felt better. I'm 35 and I feel like I'm 25 again. Subs robbed me of that. Keep on chugging because in the end you will be so thankful that you did. You are giving yourself your life back and I commend you. Keep up the good work and don't let those crappy moments that will come discourage you. Keep remembering, it's only temporary!

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You give me hope pfan! Reading what you've said gives me hope that I will be back to normal one day...I keep telling myself this is a slow process and I've come so far...I'm still having trouble sleeping and sitting still (that's the worst for me, I hate not feeling comfortable and relaxed just sitting in my own body)...it's scary because I don't know who I am without pills...taking pills for so many years, I was just content doing nothing or doing anything if that makes sense...now, I'm like, what do I do? What do I like to do? I can't wait for the day that I don't wake up at 2am thinking omg can I get back to sleep!! This is the hardest thing I've ever done and dealing with my little brother dying last month seems to make this harder...but he died from a drug overdose so I keep telling myself, he's not here anymore, so I can make it through this!!

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I will be off Suboxone and benzos for a year on May 6th. I had a 15 year opiate habit, and 8 years on Suboxone. This has by far been the hardest year of my entire life! I want to say something though...I could not have done it without my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I have pins and needles still when I lay down at night and I still don't have much energy or motivation but I am free. Just continuing to put one foot in front of the other. I will also say that Suboxone is a terrible drug. It causes long term damage to your brain and body...not to mention your soul. One drug is not the answer to getting off of another. You need GOD. I realize I will probably get some flack for saying this but it is the truth. GOD bless you all.

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Matthew you need to find another...more "present" place to feel better about yourself & your life...its the drugs...no matter if used properly or abused they affect brain chemistry. But waiting on supportive replies from orhers (focused generally on our own probs) is good enough for such an urgent situation as suicidal ideology. Please find more aggressive intervention...even if people here are supportive...what if unavailble to respond because of our own pain or wd? No one wants u to suffer & u & everyone on this planet deserve better so please seek more involved help!

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Hi Matthew,

Dude. It doesn't matter if there's a 12.5 mg xanax or not. I think you're picking the wrong battles. Get over it already. I've lost 3 very important people to suicide. All 3 women. Two left behind children and husbands who loved and needed them. A sister in law had tried twice so her husband and daughter took turns making sure she was never alone. After a couple months of convincing everyone she was better, she manipulated her husband into leaving the property for 10 minutes to get her cigarettes. The 17 yo daughter wld be home in 8-10 minutes after he drove out of site. Her daughter, my niece, arrived home from school, searched the house for her mother. Finally she walked outside & noticed the pad lock to a garden shed was cut off & the door ajar. She KNEW that's where she'd find her mother and ran screaming towards the shed hoping her Mother wld hear her voice......the husband pulled up to hell on earth. My beautiful sister in law had put a bullet in her brain knowing one of the people she cared about most on earth wld find her that way. Her daughter has suffered unimaginable loss. Her mother didn't bother leaving a note. She never found the time to write words her daughter needed to hear. That she was loved. I promise you, there's a lot of people in this world with bigger troubles than you, my friend. Get yourself some help. I can see you need it.

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Rebekah: Stick to a daily regimen of klonopin because it does calm you and is very important In healing your brain. I visited my Psychiatrist and was very upset. Through ten years of going from one mg of klonopin to two mg of klonopin and 115mg of OxyContin with three vicodin, one might think to consider is this guy in pain or is he covering up his anxiety issues with opiates? My new PCP ask that within two minutes after hearing my background. I am at 13 1/2 months off subs and still have issue related to the brain damage it caused within the neurotransmitters. BRAIN PAIN SYNDROME!

My wife is very supportive even though it is hard for her to understand. I live in Michigan and there are zero support groups in my area between Flint and Detroit. Very few people are successful at getting off subs and the medical professionals in the know are well aware of this. Most have been extra helpful.

I am making my own cannicaps and they are so good at killing the pain, anxiety and other issues. Some days I forget to take the klonopin because the cannicaps are so effective. They are also non addictive, help appetite and sleep. They calm you down and last for about 14 hours.

I want to hear from you and listen to you thoughts and issues. I understand the difficulty in your situation. Doing this with two children is brave and strong. #1 Be a good loving mother and for now the hck with anything but you and the kids.

Just had breakfast with another Suboxone survivor this morning who is an excellent chemist and a fabulous helper.

Don't you dare give up without talking to me directly. We have the answers because we have been through it. One of the Hospital pain clinics in Flint calls me when they have Suboxone withdrawal questions. A few weeks ago the head Doctor told me I was at least three years ahead of them because they have so few patients with the fortitude to stick to the Suboxone withdrawal program which they are trying to put together by trial and error. Everyone is very different so each case has to be handled individually.

I am available to help and answer questions for anyone serious about breaking free from this addiction. God loves you.

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Lissy and Tommy C- Wow, Lissy the pins and needles sensation is kind of what Tommy C and myself are referring to. It's like when you have a foot that falls asleep only you feel like that all over your whole body. Tommy C-I love how much research you have done and found out and that totally makes me see things a little more clearly because the sounds are so sharp when I have buzzing going on that I just feel like flipping out everytime I hear a loud noise or anything. It's amazing that there is a freaking reason why, thank god I am NOT crazy, but as you said Tommy the brain pain can come and go. I pray to god for you guys also to heal and that I heal as well. It really is horrible that we all are in this situation but Tommy I think it's great the good you are doing that was done from the damage. I myself am writing a self help book about all of my experiences. Please keep me in the loop. I'm going to look up Cannicaps Tommy, was wondering what they were but some of my last post was cut out.

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This is just a qucik recap of my addiction with lortabs and then subsequently suboxone. I used 40-60 mg lortab/daily for about 6 years. I was naive enough to allow myself to become addicted to the tabs i was prescribed for a fractured L4 vertebrae, but realized pretty quickly that I wasn't going to let it go any futrther than that. I feel lucky, because I know how risky it is to go down that road.

Bottom line, I was tired of chasing pills and spending all my money just to feel normal. I quit my well paying job as a bank manager and moved home to try and kick CT. We all know how that goes, so I started using Kratom (3 months) until I was able to finally get into see a Sub doc. He would have had me on the stuff forever, but I was damned if I was just going to trade one drug for the next. That being said, I was on subs for just over a year. I started out at 8mg (4mg/am-4mg/pm) and then slowly started to taper down from that. I did a fairly slow taper and finally got down to .25 mg.

It was hard to stabilize at that dose for me for some reason, so I actually was taking aroung 1mg when I finally made my jump. I stopped going to my sub doc (not recommending this, but I didn't want the option to be able to get another script). There are definitely better and more efficient ways to taper, I'm just sharing my experience.

So I jumped on October, 22 2016. The withdrawals hit almost immediately (within 8-12 hrs) and peaked around days 4,5,6 like most everyone says they will. I will say this though, coming off of a low dose partial antagonist like subs is much more manageable than trying to kick full agonists CT. There are definitely many of the same withdrawal symptoms, but they just seem to be much more muted. You also have to go in with the mindset that this is going to suck for a while. I'm not trying to scare anyone, that's just the truth. BUT IT DEFINITELY GETS BETTER!!!! Every week past the initial acute phase gets a little better than the week before. Some days are certainly better than others, but if you know that it's your body's way of recalibrating itself, then it's a much easier experience to deal with psychologically.

Today is day 30 off of subs for me (a place I honestly thought I'd never get to). I feel soooo much more like my old self. Each week my natural energy is increasing and my mind has long since cleared up. There are definitely still some nagging issues like body aches, stomach issues, rare chills, but only for a second. I'm also still dealing with some lethargy, but definitely nothing like the first couple of weeks. Cravings still come and go, but that isn't a reason to use. It's your body healing. It's kind of funny in a way, because in a lot of ways I feel really normal, and so these last few lagging symptoms are annoying me more than anything else, whereas two weeks ago, I would have been begging to feel this good. So keep perspective and don't allow yourself to become frustrated. One month isn't along time in the big scheme of things, although I know it feels HUGE in the scope of recovery...at least it does for me.

Things I'd recommend that have been known to help (other than clonidine, trazodone or some of the other basics) are KAVA KAVA (extract or powder) helps a lot with RLS and just general mood. It doesn't affect any opiate receptors like Kratom, so it will not set your recovery back. Ambien is also a god send if you can get some, especially in the first month of recovery. Really helps you be able to get much needed quality sleep. Also, DO NOT listen to anyone on any forum that suggests you take tramadol (or other meds like it) it will make you feel better because it affects the exact same opiate receptors in the brain. It will only set you back.

If you sincerely want to get completely clean, then you can definitely do it!!! Learn about brain chemistry and what's actually going on and why during recovery and it will allow you to chart your progress, instead of just laying around feeling "terrible" all day everyday for days on end. That is what caused my first relapsed and the knowledge I learned about the human brain and opiate addiction is what is going to keep me from a second relapse.

ALSO, can't stress this one enough...EXERCISE!!! Whatever your fitness level is, push yourself, even it's just a walk around the neighborhood. Get up and get your blood flowing and your brain will have no other option to start making the natural endorphins it so desperately needs. IT is a b**** to make yourself get up and go, I know, I've been there and still have those days. THAT'S EXACTLY WHEN YOU SHOULD GO!!!! It will speed up the recovery process exponentially!!!!

Sorry for the novel, I hope some of this has helped or at least reinforced other things you've read on different forums. There's a lot of negative stuff out there, but lack of knowledge and not understanding the process you're going through, I think, leads to an enourous amount of misinformation, which then gets disseminated negatively.

Feel free to hit me up with any questions you might have. I'll do my best to answer them from my experience or direct you to someone who can.

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Bean, you said you have been on suboxone for 10 years....maybe it's not so much that you are addicted then you are dependent? I only say this because I have been on suboxone for over 6 years now and I definitely do not feel as though I am addicted to it, but certainly dependent. When I think of being 'addicted', I think of how I was with the full opiates I was taking for the 9 years before I started suboxone. I have days where I don't even remember to take suboxone at all, and that was sure as hell never the case with the percocet or oxycodone or vicodin, or whatever the flavor of the month was during my addiction days prior to 9/30/2010. It is a definite monkey on my back, just the same, but I know I echo others in my shoes when I say I still have a level of gratitude for suboxone, because for me, hands down, it is far and above the lesser of 2 evils, for me, in a multitude of ways. I wish I knew of what the best way for me to end my relationship with suboxone is. I read these posts closely & I know what is in store for me should I start the tapering process. I do not have it in me and have no problem saying so. I also know myself well enough to know that no matter how plugged into life I may be and how great things are going and how great I may be feeling on the inside as well as the out, I will ultimately feel that 'void' return and it will only be a matter of time before I have to find something to fill the 'void'. No way in hell do any antidepressants out there fill the bill, either. I have tried too many of them already, and quite honestly, suboxone has worked better for me as an antidepressant then any of the actual prescribed antidepressants I've taken over the last 16 years have worked, and I have tried more than one kind. Sometimes I worry that I just depleted too many receptors, or threw off my chemistry in such a way that I can't naturally manufacture my own 'real' happiness capability anymore? I wish I had the money to be able to afford going to one of Dr. Daniel G. Amen's clinics. He is cutting edge therapy for many of the things I suffer with, such as addiction, depression, anxiety & adult ADHD, very innovative stuff, not the archaic crap they try to pass off as Behavioral Health therapies in my state of Delaware. So frustrating to know there is sublime help out there, but only available if one has the means, ughhhh!!

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See, I had the opposite effect on suboxone. Instead of gaining weight, I lost 30 lbs. It was crazy. This is what I mean when I say this drug effects people differently, and the withdrals/PAWS effect people differently...Sounds to me like the doctor prescribed you the wrong dose out the door. Thats pretty much what happens when you start taking it, and your dose is almost more than double of what you should have started with. With me, they started me extremely low, 1mg per day.. I did not feel it was doing anything so they went up to 2, and I finally found that the correct dose for me was 6mg per day. But again, I regret ever starting on suboxone. If I had it to do over again, I would have tapered and done it right. But at the time, when you are tapped out on money, there is absolutely nothing you can do. I guess this is the way it was supposed to work out for me, and it did.

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Hating Life.... Just follow the instructions on the back of the bottle. See how it goes after a few hours, if it does not give you enough relief, then double up. These herbs and aminos cannot hurt you.. unless you go crazy with them.. so dont do that.. but doubling up will not hurt, but only do it if you need. As for your anxiety, they gave me clonadine or whatever its called, but only for a few days. This Clonadine eliminated most all of my anxiety.. So if you have a doctor, tell him you need it for anxiety. If you dont have a doctor, or cant make it, pick up some passionflower capsules at the vitamin store or health food store.. these too help with anxiety really well.
I know you are hurting right now. I was exactly where you are a a few months ago. I thought I was going to die. But I kept taking the aminos' and extra tryptophan...and everything else I mentioned, Valerian Root, etc.. but the real miracle pill is the Tryptophan. I took 1 capsule 3 times per day, then 3 more 30 min before bed. This amino all but eliminates depression/anxiety..the problem is, it can take up to a week to work on some people. Started working about 3 days in for me.. But just keep at it..and take those hot showers several times a day.. those really really helped me, with how cold I was, and the cold sweaty hands, etc. And one last thing that I forgot to mention, I think in any of my posts.. and its one of the most important items. Make sure you force yourself to take 30 minutes per day and EXERCISE. I know you will not feel like sticking your head out the door or wanting to do anything. But you need to force yourself to do it. I made sure I took my dogs on a 1-2 mile walk every night. And we would jog too, to get heart rate up. Exercise is of extreme importance, no matter how crappy you feel. I mean, you can stay inside if you want, and just do 25-40 pushups every 4 hours or something. You just need to do this. And you might be more motivated to do so, once you start getting those amino acids in you, and Valerian Root, etc... Just keep going, you will make it to the end, and you will be very grateful you did. Trust me, you will.

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