How Can I Get Subutex Not Suboxone? (Page 6)
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I don't know how to go about this as I am shaking and can barely focus, I need help! Please. I fear that my life is going to end from my abuse of opiates. I am currently taking 250 mgs of oxycontin per day. I have a loving fiance and a stepdaughter that I want to be here for. I sit here with cold sweats, and fear going out just because I may make the fearful turn to the meds. Any and all info on how to obtain Subutex would be much appreciated. This wasn't what I wanted my life to be, and I can not let it end this way..Please help me. I am not a religious man but I pray for help as I am at my wits end with this drug.

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You are correct! 4 years later :/ my friend went through the same process and her doc switched her to subutex. These Dr's writing it have to be mindful that we're still learning about this medicine. Germany has the most research, if you can find the www from there. Blessings!

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DANI: Amen to that. My doc says to look at it like a diabetic that has to take insulin for the rest of their life. No different. We have screwed up our brain chemistry with these opioids, and our opiate receptors are a mess. They just aren't going to work the way they used to. My doc says if I were to go completely off of all ORT, I would "struggle". For some people, the old opiate receptors come back quickly, and for others they don't come back at all! Life is tough enough without an additional "struggle". Do what you have to do!

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Patty, I completely agree with you. I am so glad to be at the point where I no longer feel the need to defend myself to people, including my own family, as to why I am still taking suboxone. Sure, the physical symtoms were gone in a week or so, but mentally, emotionally, psychologically, or however else one can put it, I am sure that at least for now, I will continue to be on suboxone indefinitely. I do not feel like a failure for this. It is really no different then hypertensive and diabetic people taking THEIR daily med or meds. Even if I so desired to wean off of suboxone, I would be miserable and it just wouldn't be worth it. It would only be a matter of time before I found something else to fill the void. I think that void created by the opiates is a void that just doesn't go away for some people. If people want to call sub and methadone the lesser of 2 evils, so be it. Until they've walked a block or 2 in our shoes, they just don't know - and they should be grateful they don't!

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Have any of you tried this "Withdrawal Ease" product that is constantly being advertised on this forum? Let me know if any of you have experience with it. Thanks.

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PATTY: Yep, as a 30year+ opioid addict, I know ALL ABOUT that pesky PAWS. You get over the worst of the physical symptoms of withdrawal in about a week, but with PAWS, they just drag and drag and drag on. I NEVER feel right without opioids. I was off of all opioids for 90 days, STILL felt horrible, and ended up using again. My addiction specialists say that I will probably have to be on some sort of ORT for the rest of my life, even if it's just a small amount. I am currently on 80mgs of tablet Methadone a day, and am attempting to lower my dose 5mgs, once every 4 to 6 weeks or so. I would like to be on at least a lower dose of Methadone, but probably won't be able to go completely off.

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Dani. it doesn't surprise me that the Sub helps with your depression better than the actual anti depressants. Opiates gives people a false sense of well being, and when an addict stop taking opiates most of us get a condition known as PAWS which is post acute withdrawal syndrome. For most people PAWS goes away but for a few of us PAWS never goes away because at least in my case, my endorphins are gone and I dneed an opiate in my body to feel normal. Many years ago doctors found that methadone was an excellent anti depressant. However it wasn't used for very long because of how addicting methadone is

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PATTY: I can't find this "Jackie" person you are responding to. Maybe he/she took her reply down??? I went back a few pages and I can't see anyone named "Jackie". I was just wondering what he/she had said that was a problem. ANYWAY>>>

I see they keep advertising this "Withdrawal Ease" product on here...I was wondering if anyone who uses this page had ever taken it, and how it worked. Please, if anyone has any experience with this product, let me know. Thanks.

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I don't know if what I am telling is still right, but many years ago I went on a trial taking suboxone to get off opiates. This was in 2000 so things may have changed so if I am not right please correct me. When we were chosen for the study I was given a Hep C and pregnancy evaluation. At that time if a patient was pregnant or infected with HIV or Hep C, we were sent to the methadone program. Suboxone was at that time not given to pregnant women or people sick with Hep C or HIV.

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If herbs worked for you then that's wonderful but we aren't here to tell people what to take. We are here to lend an empathetic ear and to answer the persons question

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Jackie. We aren't judgemental here. Please if you have an answer to a question that's cool, but please no talking down to someone because of your morals. For you this may be dope but it's not these medications along with methadone (which I am on) gives many of us our lives back

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I don't understand. Why wouldn't any insurance pay for a doctors appointment? Seems to me that your doctor is doing something he/she isn't supposed to be doing, like giving you the drug without the proper license. There's no reason that anyone has to pay cash

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DANI: As far as there being any difference in the efficacy of Suboxone VS Subutex, there shouldn't be. The active ingredient in both of them is Buprenorphine, the only difference being whether the Naloxone is in there or not. The Bupe is the same. BUT....I was never able to take Suboxone because of my reaction to the Naloxone. I am a migraine sufferer, as well as having chronic nausea. The Naloxone made both of those worse. I was on Suboxone for about a week, and was nauseous and having headaches the whole time. I felt TERRIBLE. So the Dr. switched me to Subutex and the sickness went away. I didn't know much about Bupe at the time, so it definitely was not in my head. I didn't care whether I was on Suboxone, Subutex or whatever. I just wanted help. But the Naloxone DEFINITELY made me feel horrible. So while yes, Bupe is Bupe, and that part shouldn't be any different, the Naloxone can definitely make you sick if you have a sensitivity to it, or if you have a pre-existing condition like I did. That Naloxone exacerbated my nausea and headaches to the point where I was just going to go back to Methadone. Switching to the Subutex completely fixed the problem. Let me know if you have any more questions.

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DETRIA: That depends on where you live. In Colorado, Suboxone was about $15 a month more than Subutex. Not that much of a price difference here.

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Try KRATOM! It's all natural leaf that works like an opiate but it's not, also it will help get you off of opiates without much withdrawal. Please do a little research, a lot of the negative stuff they say about it is not true.

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If you have hep c you can go to the Dr and get put on subtext as opposed to the nasty vomiting taste of suboxone. But on 60 per month and I still have cold chills and sweats. So I would use because the meatballs will not give you 90 per month that works for everyone and not only 2 I cannot believe more people haven't spoken up about why ppl still us after getting clean the Dr wants u off like he has ever been an addict. And when they do take u off like I'm at 28 subtext per month and have been on a 4 MG dosage of xannax for years and now I'm at 0 because my dr lost his license. I'm need help to get a Dr to continue me on my anxiety medication and u need it quick I have ins.
Hope I helped you?

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Methadone treatment Center in Tennessee has Suboxone and Subutex...and Methadone.

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Tell the doctor you arent able to afford the suboxone. Subutext is way cheaper

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hello kkh, i do understand about the nalaxone and have been successful staying off of opiates since october 2010, however, and maybe i'm just a weakling of some sort, but my real question is, and has been for quite a while now, is there any real difference efficacy-wise between suboxone & subutex? after taking suboxone close to 6 years now, the ceiling-effect came & went a long time ago, however it is a good backup antidepressant for me, as weird as that may or may not sound...whether it is psychologically or not, it just is, and i am pretty grateful, cause Lord knows these other anti-ds i take don't seem to do much of anything. I don't understand, why, after successfully taking subox as long as i have, would it be this big deal for me to be able to try the subutex. i'm curious as to whether or not it will have any side effects. subox gives me a weird, dizzy-ish/off-balance equilibrium sort of feeling several times a week. it's hit or miss and i am used to it, but it would be nice to never have this feeling again.

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DANI: The Naloxone in Suboxone is in there to keep people from taking it intravenously. Unless you are administering the Bupe intravenously, there really isn't a way to "abuse" Subutex. And if you are a genuine opioid addict, taking Subutex in this manner isn't going to cause euphoria anyway. The only people who are feeling high on Bupe are people who don't have a legit opioid habit.

Taking Subutex OR Suboxone too soon after taking full-agonist opioids will throw you into Precipitated Withdrawals. You have to wait until you are in withdrawal before starting the Bupe back up again, whether there is Naloxone in there or not. Doctors suddenly not wanting to give people Subutex is pretty ridiculous actually.

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Hey Dani,thanks for getting back to me! Like I said, I was just curious as to what was going on there.thanks so much for clearing that up. .lol.I hope everything is going good for you and those you care about. Have a great day, HOUSE

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