Difference Between Adderall And Amphetamine Salts (Page 17)

I was recently diagnosed with Adult ADD and have been prescribed Amphetamine Salts (Generic for Adderall) for a few months now. The initial dosage was one 10mg tablet/ three times a day and recently my Doctor upped the dosage to one 30mg tablet/ twice a day. I know that overall this has been very beneficial for me but I cant help but wonder if the generic brand (IR Amphetamine Salts) has less of the active ingredient, and more unnecessary side effects(irritability, fatigue). I know that while the active ingredients are likely to be the same, the "fillers" usually are not and even the active ingredients can vary up to 10%. I also know that everybody reacts differently depending on their bodies' make-up as well as the drugs and I have always reacted sensitively to any kind of drug. The more I "google" the more I want to stay away from the generic form. Also- almost every pharmacy around has little to no Adderall Brand IR tablets in stock, they only have the generic brands and possibly Adderall brand but only the Extended-Release. My Doctor seems to firmly believe that there is no difference between Adderall XR and Adderall IR, and because she prescribed me the generic form (Amphetamine Salts), she probably doesn't see a difference there either. I don't have the time to ask 10 doctors what they think so if anyone has any information or experiences please share! Thank you!

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i am new to tbis but i have been told that the medicene will affect the growth of children they wont eat and they lose weight go to a pediatrician for help myson is adhd and he has his masters degree wirh out the med but it was a struggle he takes it now and it helps but he is 34

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Your overall concept is correct but not completely. Yes, like any other drug available on this earth it is addictive and if abused can lead to health issues and other bad side effects. But at the same time like any other drug prescribed it is for a purpose and if used correctly and in the proper amount can benefit many. I myself have adhd and have prospered indescribably from it. It allows me to focus and achieve the goals I wish to without distraction. But the difference is I take it how im supposed to and when im supposed to and it took awhile for me to find my correct dose. This country is so blessed with what we have we have become glutinous, we must learn self control before the entire nation implodes due to its own greed.

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Who are you to say there is no God? That question does not belong in any post in this entire forum!

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Hello, Most of these Dr. Go by what the rep tells them. If you live in the USA rely on your pharmacist. Seriously they are pretty much spot on. Generics can vary up to 20% fillers colorings blah blah is the excuse. Honestly for those that haven't tried vyvanse, it seems smooth. No crash at least thats my experience. The xr is capsule and extended release the tablets are instant release. Vyvanse is only extended release and only activates with the metabolization in the stomach. Anyway the reps are the "pushers".

Most shrinks now see you 5-15 min to write script. As of now ohio is allowing it to be called in. The computers have to be up to date with a program, but this will make like easier for many. Dr. Still get perks from reps. The pharmacist has no reason not to give you the straight up story. Good luck.

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Hello Fellow ADD and ADHD’ers. I wanted to address some issues, please if you have the time, read through this post, I think that maybe everyone here may find some value in a part or parts of the information contained herein. A good exercise in meaningful conversation would be to mindfully “read” in absence of being able to “mindfully listen”. Try for example to understand the context of the statement by Margarita, as if you were trying to understand her position by what is written and the way it is written as well as what is not written, sometimes (it is much more difficult to do this when not actually conversing in person) one can discern things not apparent at the surface of the statement or at least it will prompt one to ask for clarification rather than react to what may seem to be a mean and or otherwise inept declaration. I tried to see Margarita’s concerns as if they were meant to help or inform especially in the “tone” of the statements I could see that perhaps she had some debilitating experience concerning addiction to a medication and I was careful to suggest or promote an explanation Lissa’s post while giving due acknowledgement to some discerned if not actual portion(s) of Margarita’s post. I did this for edification’s sake, not for judgement although I voiced concerns and cautions in my rebuttal post, My intent is to offer to enlighten, to draw together and maintain sharing on an equal a basis with mutual respect.

Margarita, I suspect that you may not understand the original question in context. Perhaps you have had a bad experience or know someone who has had a bad experience concerning addiction to amphetamines and or misuse of prescribed Adderall. In that case I could understand your very emphatic warning. However, if you will take time to investigate the most recent "bona-fide" research on Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), or Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder (ADHD), you will find that there are a number of very significant physiological markers in the brains and in the neurobiological functions presented in those who have successfully completed the DSM -IV exam for ADHD and ADD and were diagnosed by a qualified psychiatrist in concert with a primary care physician. Said diagnosed patients have been therapeutically and measurably helped by medically supervised appropriate doses of Adderall, Vyvanse, Ritalin and other CNS stimulants. A hallmark of a CNS stimulant for proper application concerning ADD and ADHD is that in a healthy person, a CNS induces pronounced and frenetic-like rousing stimulation and or activity and behavior. In an ADD'er or ADHD"er, the stimulant behaves more like a relaxing and focusing factor. In case you may be one who believes that ADD or ADHD is simply the result of an undisciplined or lazy mind and not a real disorder, If you were to do a comprehensive search through academic and or otherwise science based literature on the subject of ADD and ADHD using the most recent peer-examined research you will find that ADD and ADHD is a “real” disorder that impairs proper cognitive function on many levels including real-time performance of cognitively intense applications as well as psychosocial impairment. ADD and ADHD and all their “iterations” have also been found to correlate certain neurological dysfunctions with observable physiological abnormalities factually and reproducibly reported in many of the recent papers on the subject.

I assure you that as an adult with attentive type ADHD I would literally give a limb or all my teeth (in reference to "I'd give my eye-teeth for..") to eliminate this from my life. In other words, the frustration and suffering ADD and ADHD causes to me and my relationships, work etc. is NOT at all worth any lack of discipline, lack of caring, and or laziness on my part.

Now addressing my concern of Margarita's "as God made you" comment, I certainly hope the Lissa did not take you seriously or at least understood that you lack knowledge and wisdom concerning measurable cognitive aptitude especially as it pertains to ADD and ADHD. Even if you were very concerned for the health consequences of prolonged use of Adderall, you did not seem to notice why it was prescribed for Lissa, nor did you seem to understand the context of her post or others’ posts as these pertained mainly to ADD and ADHD sufferers and their experiences and questions concerning medication types and treatments thereof. Please forgive me, but in your eagerness to help, you may have overlooked empathy and professional knowledge concerning ADD and ADHD. It would have served you well to have researched the pertinent facts before making an authoritative statement (or professionally qualify what you wrote and at least make certain that you admit that yours was just an opinion and steered clear of seemingly professionally sounding declarations.

To Lissa and those interested: Addressing Lissa's concern for effectiveness of the D-Amphetamine salts, I have used that "brand" and it worked fine for me but as I have stated many times, a doctor’s qualified advice should be sought, and may I suggest that you discuss your concerns in an ordered as possible and detailed fashion with your health provider. You may find an ally in that your health provider will do “due diligence” and research your concerns as well as ADD and ADHD. I found this to be true in my case, but if you cannot obtain empathic, meaningful communication with your present healthcare provider, then don’t hesitate to research other healthcare providers and obtain a “second opinion”. You certainly have that right and should exercise it.

Addressing Margarita's assertion that " if you are not smart, than that is how god made you, taking a medication isn't going to solve that problem". I beg to differ. In Jr. high school a state mandated IQ evaluation placed me at 94, not exactly a bright star, eh? However AFTER my ADHD was addressed, my IQ was reevaluated and it was measured 134.

I have also taken a closer look at what are decidedly positive aspects of (in my case) ADHD. Utilizing the methods stated below, I have learned to induce “hyper-focus” on command. While it is time intensive (you can easily miss hours at a stretch of time), when properly applied, one can learn subjects at a quicker pace and much deeper than formal instruction will allow in the same time period that traditional, even modern formal education methods take to present said course or discipline. Hyper-focus can arguably be compared to a modified and “souped-up” version of the Montessori teaching method on a personal level (still including group interaction) that can include adaptation of multiple sensory learning skills. Also, I take good advantage and certainly work to improve “thinking outside the box”. In today’s fast paced, fluid-like change in the work and business environment, that ability is priceless to those who fully understand its implications. I still work on tried and true methods, and time management is my personal epic struggle, but wrestle it with purpose I will until it is conquered.

Should I remain at a crippled capacity and accept that God would want me to be diminish in my potential and suffer rather than exercise and sharpen that potential to serve humanity and Him better if I am able? NO! (I speak in Christian Biblical and spiritual terms because of the mention of God in Margarita's post; please note that I personally and humbly opine that God has a part in this, however never to cripple, only to heal and or protect. That is my personal opinion, and I can ascertain that this is extensively supported in biblical scriptures). Should I learn to rely on any med for the rest of my life, much less one with a great deal of trouble concerning addiction? NO! I am very proactive in research involving neuro-degenerative diseases or dysfunctional disorders like ADHD, and Alzheimer's for my sake and for others, though I am just a student in the BS in biotechnology program in GCC and ASU and I'm not a doctor or specialist in Neurological disorders or diseases as I highly suspect YOU are not as well, I am acquainted with Lissa's experience on a personal (my own experience with ADHD) and professional level (extensive documented academic research).

Margarita, I commend your concern, however I have to caution your use of authority based terminology and syntax in your posting. You did not ascertain whether you spoke on a professional basis (Doctor, councilor, professional educator, etc.) yet you write as if you are an authority on the subject of prescribed Adderall use and or the consequences of its prolonged use in Lissa's particular case. If Lissa were to take your advice to the letter seriously, there may have been some very undesirable if not incapacitating consequences.

Margarita, (and to those interested): I concur with your opinion that prolonged use of a potentially addicting med may be harmful, and I add to this (other than a Doctors or other qualified Healthcare professional's advice) that if there is anything natural that can be done to alleviate or eliminate the condition known as ADD and ADHD, it should be well researched and attempted under a doctor's supervision and care.

The following is a VERY brief treatise concerning my avenue or approach in dealing with my ADHD. Please keep in mind that the bulk of this "experimental treatment" is an ongoing 2-plus years of academic research and private professional research focused on all the aspects of possible factors affecting ADHD and studying research done with the aim of mitigating or even eradicating the causes of ADD and ADHD and improve overall neural health and restoring full cognitive function to those who are stricken with ADD, ADHD, and other cognitive dysfunctions and neuro-degenerative diseases. Start your day with a good fresh-made "green-drink" using all of the following made in a food processor, not a juicer utilizing valuable fiber too, not just the juice therein: Mince soft parts, chop hard parts into no larger than 1 inch pieces: (3 tbsp. organic broccoli sprouts, a large green apple, 2 large celery stalks, A tbsp. of fresh organic ginger, 1 large reed Kale leaf, a generous (3-4 tbsp. minced) of fresh organic parsley, 2 carrots, an organic lemon including the peel, a half cup to full cup of dark berries, and 2 tbsp. raw organic sesame seeds (or a similar amount of avocado by volume, and around 1.5 grams of curcuminoids (from turmeric) -along with the appropriate amount of piperine extract to facilitate complete absorption of the curcuminiods –(powerful cellular and systemic anti-inflammatory.) fill the mixture with water till the water touches just above the top of the ingredients and slowly ramp up speed to puree the mix. I took great pains to research the ratios and types of phytonutrients present in the ingredients herein so that this particular mix will synergistically induce and support a great deal of "nuclear factor (erythroid-derived 2)-like 2" or Nrf2 gene production (and balancing factors) that by promoting production of the cells own very efficient anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatory biomolecules, this may fully eliminate damaging oxidants (known as free radicals) on a cellular basis and may completely eliminate inflammation at the tissue level through the systemic level as well. Drink 20+ oz. of this green drink twice per day and include adequate exercise, sunshine, a good healthy vege-oriented diet, consistent healing spiritual attendance, and perhaps certain nootropic additives (although nootropic use is considered experimental only and probably best avoided until well proven and understood), a regimen of (proven and accepted) -cognitive exercises along with application of transcranial direct current stimulation (tDCS) –electrodes are attached at designated surface areas of the head (EEG 10/20 standard map points) and then a very tiny current (between ½ milliamp on up to but not more than 2 milliamps at around 9 volts given for a period of time usually not exceeding 30 min at the Anode electrode (often felt as a slight vibration or itching) at the dorsal-lateral-pre-frontal cortex (dlpfc) area coupled with transcranial pulsed current stimulation at 40Hz may (ANY or ALL OF THIS UNDER A DOCTOR'S CARE) enable one to vastly reduce intake of adderall, and will perhaps in time negate its use entirely. (PLEASE NOTE: tDCS and tPCS is EXPERIMENTAL and although no harm has been noted using professional equipment with unified treatment protocols and a dose of common sense, tDCS, and tPCS is still in early research stages and as such has not proven itself by FDA standards YET)

PLEASE NOTE: if one is interested in using tDCS, I EMPHATICALLY recommend first that you only do it if allowable and under strict supervision of your healthcare provider along with compliance as to your healthcare provider’s requirements thereof, and second –that you first engage in a comprehensive ACADEMIC study of tDCS until you fully understand the proper protocols, measurements, and consequences therein BEFORE actively using tDCS or any of its recognized iterations.

The healthy lifestyles approach described above along with the green drink recipe provided along with elimination of unhealthy lifestyle choices (prolonged or even moderate sedentary indoor “activities” all processed foods with artificial or chemical preservatives, taste, texture, and color enhancers, basically manufactured foods; items like ramen noodles and twinkies, starchy high saturated fatty foods, is a type of approach that may be extremely beneficial towards eliminating MANY diseases and their co-morbidities may be avoidable by well informed and supported healthy lifestyle choices choices.

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To harsh, back up.. Not everyone is as smart as you!

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It's called exaggeration. Everyone does.

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It's called exaggeration. Everyone does it.

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Logan, when I expressed concern to my doctor about taking amphetamine salts, he told me I don't need to take it every day. It's not like some medications that must maintain a certain level in your body in order to be effective. For example, I take it on work days, but on weekends when it isn't so important to maintain focus, I don't take it. I am a teacher, so I don't take it during summer vacation, unless there is important paperwork or other tasks that require extended concentration. I have ADD and was diagnosed at the age of 45. The diagnosis explained so much about the way I had to do homework to get through school and college, and why as a teacher, I was scatter brained and extremely sleepy in the afternoon. The amphetamine salts help me stay on track and awake (not at all wired) all day. I take the generic kind because even with insurance, Adderall is prohibitively expensive. It may not be perfect, but it sure helps me do my job better, and I am much happier. Good luck to you.

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Dear margarita, first off you must have just been made perfect! Well if you believe in God like I do, nobody is perfect except for God! Also The Bible says that God is our judge and jury and executioner! Who are you to judge or discriminate anyone! Especially people with mental illness!! I am 35 years old and have been diagnosed with ADHD for a very long time. I have tried to do it on my own until recently. I had a near death experience and have severe PTSD along with ADHD, panic and anxiety disorder, fibromyalgia and lupus. Do you think I like getting up every single day and experiencing this? God didn't do this to me, if anything man made all this lovely wonderful diseases, not only that a lot of it is mental illness. Do you know anything about that? Well let me just tell you something,… People with mental illness have a chemical in balance in their brains.. Which means because obviously you do not know, that their brains do not produce the right chemicals to function the same way as maybe your brain does. But then who would want to have a brain like yours! Not everybody who tries to get help and better it themselves are drug attics! So if you want to go around judging people, maybe you should take a good look in the mirror! Stay off sites like this, why don't you go to prisons and talk to prisoners like that. Shame on you! God doesn't tell you to shame other people or judge them or put them down because they are different or have sins and or faults like everybody else on this planet does! You must have no life and really hate yourself to be getting on sites like this and putting others down. I pray to God that you do not have children or grandchildren!! I came here looking for advice and saw your comment and it just blew me away.… How can you call yourself a Christian or say you believe in God? God tells you to embrace others, treat others the way you want to be treated! Also, there is such thing as called karma.… People who abuse drugs and or do illegal drugs that's their choice and decision. They will have to pay the price on their own... So let me reiterate once again, this still has nothing to do with you. Stop judging others, and take a look in the mirror! Get a life.… Or stop saying you believe in God… you make people who do believe in God and Christians look horrible to others! God wants you to help them and maybe even have them believe in God if they didn't before. You acting the way you do Shirley will not help others to believe in God. God bless you anyway! I hope you find a different hobby instead of insulting others and putting them down!!!

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Hi...Sounds like we really need the brand name. It does work. This generic crap is crap. My insurance will not pay for brand name though. Complete BS.

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I don't believe this is an educated opinion. Are you saying that people with ADHD are not intelligent? Your opinions are made out of ignorance. If you lived a day in the shoes of someone with ADHD, you would know how helpful this medication is. You would also understand that we are actually very intelligent, our minds run twice as fast as someone without ADHD. I think too many people abuse prescription drugs, and so judgements are made on those instances. For the person with the original question, your pharmacist is the most knowledgeable person on this subject.

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I was taking Brand name Adderall XR 10mg QD. I was fine perhaps great. Now I got switched to TEVA Generic (Amphet Salts) I feel so horrible. Stomach is upset. I'm fussy, cranky, Used to have an appetite now I can't stand the sight of food. I feel hopeless, depressed. I've been faithful to Rite Aid but enough is enough. I know CVS has another generic brand. I'm going to try it on the 21st. I can not take that crap. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM??? I've read about so many complaints from TEVA generic Adderall IR and Adderall XR. Ihope this isn't all in my head!

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I was the same way bud. Now at 33 with a wife and a lot of kids Lol . I finally got help and after starting vivance in the morning and 20 mil. Addaral in the evening. My life has improved in ways i never thought possible so good look and I hope everything works out for you. I was scared at 1stand at times had a few troubling side effects but stuck threw it and most went away I never had the name brand Addaral but from i have been hearing has less side affects. Welcome to the 1st day of the rest of your life.

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Not sure what you'r saying. Teva is junk. I hope they read this.

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Hey "I AM", enjoying being a troll? Notice everyone here ignoring your comment? Buzz off lol.

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Thank you VISIONS!. The truly stupid people, no matter how God made Adam and or Eve, become that way by choice and it is purely evident when they speak!

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i TAKE THE GENERIC ADDERALL xr 10MG qd. It is garbage..Makes me sick, tired etc. It's always TEVA brand that makes me sick. DO NOT get it ask you'r pharmacy the brand they stock. If it's TEVA leave it alone. I can't get brand name anymore because of this Obama care crap. Insurance isn't going to pay for brand. I'm doomed.

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You really don't know what you are talking about... ADD has nothing to do with intelligence. In fact those with ADD can be considered more intelligent because of what our mind takes in and processes the data simultaneously. The problem is not the drug either. It's that the learning needs of those with ADD and how to use it is not widely available.

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With all do respect for The Doctors out there, Doctors aren't as familiar (IN MANY CASES) WITH the drugs prescribed. Yes, they know what is prescribed, but most of what they get us from the actual sales rep. A memo. Call or talk with the pharmacy, the actual pharmacist themselves. A tool to remember, a wealth of information.

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