Bendectin And Birth Defects (Page 13)

I took this drug in the 1970's while pregnant. Am looking for the side effects to the babies. Drug has been off the market for many years. Not sure on correct spelling. Used for nausea and vomiting during pregnancy. Thank you for any help you can send me. Sincerely, Dana.

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Musical expressions are in Italian and not Latin......and some of the composers wrote the words to express how to play the music in their own vernacular.......where did you get that everything was in Latin?
Also, I think you cannot write a clear, cogent thought without trying to show off your expert verbosity.
Also, I think that you are not even at all fair to not even consider the possibility that Bendectine did, indeed, cause many birth (and later) defects in humans.
Why, oh why, is your judgement so completely one-sided while, of course we are all listening to all sides?

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Betty Jill, When you say you're listening to all sides, which is the other side to which you are referring? Because this site is simply full of one side. I don't deny the possibility, only reference the many studies which have been done which have concluded that there is no association despite the anecdotal experience. Most studies except a 95% confidence interval which is to say that there's still a 5% chance that although your study shows a signficant difference between your populations, there actually isn't one (the so-called "null hypothesis"). So that's why you repeat studies and look from different angles. I'm simply telling you what the science has found.

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Betty Jill, Bendectin may well have caused many defects and abnormalities, but it's evidently more likely that, with the majority of the incipient defects especially, caused by whatever agent, they occurred intrauterine and well before any birthing process. There is a clear distinction. Ultrasonic and/or amniotic fluid tests, performed prenatally, have proved abnormalities beyond doubt in many cases, and will, I've no doubt, continue so doing.

You appear to be clutching at straws when you imply that I'm of a mind that everything's in Latin. I did actually make quite overt mention of Germanic musical terms, inter alia, towards the end of post #236, but I've not ruled out that there's a good chance that you're experiencing your fair share of glitches along with the rest of us when you download some pages. Either that or you'd rather just jump to conclusions and gloss over the facts so that you can launch the vestiges of your barbs to make ready-space available to accomodate the next consignment's imminent arrival. I do hope you're getting a good discount.

Sometimes people choose to talk in generic terms occasionally. There's more Latin in Italian than vice versa, and Italian is but one of the many Romance languages. Latin takes pride of place at the top of the tree, ergo, it doesn't hurt to think in the abstract once in a while when one's feeling out on a limb.

The very well-known "Do-Re-Mi" [as in tonic sol-fa], derives from a pure Latin-written hymn "Ut queant laxis", and the "Do" part was originally scored as "Ut", with the 7th note of "Ti" being only included later, having itself been amended from what was "Si", and "Si" per se was a later inclusion to the initial six only sounds, with "Si" being the initials of S.ancte I.ohannes [St John], but you knew all of this already I'm sure. "Do-Re-Mi' will be bandied about now as being Italian if you ask many people, and it probably could be considered as such, just to keep the peace, but if it is to be considered Italian, then it's only because it's been corrupted so much over time, like myriad other Latin, by so many people having a hand in its stewardship, that to now call it Latin could be considered a veritably insidious insult to its Romanic roots.

I trust that you'll find most of the above both sufficiently clear and cogently-cobbled to your liking.

We devil's advocates do ever so crave recondite recognition for our myriad misdeeds, but it's only from furtively-fervent feedback that we know we're making inroads, although it must be said that it's a long road that has no turning for many a trenchantly-trusting traveller.

Best of luck and good health to everyone. I'm sure you all deserve it in large portions, c'OZ' it's a tough life if you don't weaken!

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The medication bendictine was still on the market in 1979 because I was a nurse and took this medication for 4 months for severe morning sickness. It worked great and my daughter was born without any deformities thank goodness. I was wondering about cancer in the children of mom's who took this drug. are there any reports about this?

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Hi Grace, glad to hear that your daughter has no deformities. Your post gives me food for thought.

I'm wondering about the differing levels of depletion of vital nutrients that possibly occured in all those expectant mums who had, and of course still have, nausea, but most importantly, the more severe levels of such. If a person is severely devoid of something, we know that in some cases that by endeavouring to restore a proper balance too quickly, can be pernicious, not only to an expectant mum, but of course, too, to the foetus. Maybe things like Bendectin, Debendox, Diclectin and myriad other, are too much too soon, or entirely inapproprate, for some of those mums who took them. The mums may have, for whatever reason, endured the nausea for too long a time before having access to medical assistance. We know that a person suffering from severe hypothermia mustn't be warmed too quickly, and those who've been lost in remote places etc., and have become severely dehydrated, mustn't be given free access to too much water or other things. I believe that it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for a pharmaceutical company to devise, with posology, just one drug that would suit for all occasions of nausea per one size fits all. And some of the lingering nausea may not have been only caused by "morning sickness" alone anyway, but merely thought to be such by the expectant mums and so treated accordingly by some doctors.

Then of course, and no less important in the slightest, is the mental anguish experienced by these same mums knowing that a baby/babies is/are on the way.

There's a very interesting radio programme, with transcript, on Australia's ABC Radio National called "All in the Mind" [20 August 2011]. Omega 3s, cytokines, and depression, inter alia, are discussed, and there's a very poignant comment made by the programme's presenter [Natasha Mitchell] midway through, and it's simply thus: "It's a hungry foetus".

There's also 30 commenters who've responded, with one of them, a 'Joan G', who says she's working on a web site she's called 'Maternal Health and Wellbeing - Humanities Perspective' @ Maternalhealthandwellbeing.com

I find that sometimes it's most beneficial to download both audio and transcript, and use both simultaneously, not only because there may be a speaker with a foreign accent, but there might just be a semantic shift or Freudian slip typed by the transcriber, just like when an interpreter/translator, surreptitiously or unwittingly, says what they [the interpreter/translator] want the audience to hear and not that which was actually said and meant by the speaker. And these anomalies will usually occur at a the most crucial part which is when things start getting technical, sometimes giving the interpreter/translator an errant excuse for having shifted the import somewhat.

Methinks Murphy's got progeny out there that he's not yet declared! Maybe he did... but he just misspelt their names on the birth certificate!

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You are way too response happy to this subject, any one not affected really ought not concern themselves with the argument, unless for $ome personal agenda or gain for themselves. Opinion, just sayin....

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yOU SURE YOU DONT WORK FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMPANY EMTRIDOC? YOU SURE are an immediate responder, and one with a beef with all the affected speakers on the forum and a comeback in defense of 'them'.... Please tell....

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BLA BLA BLA LA DEE DA get a better hobby and prosper quietly you needent waste any more space or time on the b.s. you keep spewing when in reality a snake is a snake and the blind just won't see... So shut it and slither on, pop another pill and pretend you are decent another day after all you must have a reason

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SORRY YOUKNWHO2, NO FINANCIAL TIES WHATSOEVER (don't even own stock in any drug company and I'm not even planning on bringing any law suits, either). As I've said in previous posts, just had occasion to read the science.

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But yet another immediate response? Perhaps stocks in slime could bring great rewards for those that slither.... SSSSSSsssilly snakes so sure of the knowledge they believe is true.... Yet so easily charmed

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i think that some children are more susceptible than others while being formed inside their mothers. i believe that those of us with fair skin and blond hair, for example, might be more susceptible to the effects of this drug than others. there seems to be a higher occurrence of aspergers syndrome and autism with fair haired children. when i was expecting i took no other medication than this and i did not drink any alcohol or caffeine. i got a lot of sleep and ate a healthy diet. most of my daughters health problems as a result of me taking this drug while expecting, can be helped by her sticking to an organic vegan diet, rich in raw fruits and vegetables. those with aspergers, do best with a natural diet, free from food additives. they are usually unable to eat take out food etc. just wanted to pass along this dietary suggestion; as many illnesses can be helped, if not cured, by eating an organic vegan diet, free from dairy and meat; rich in raw fruits and vegetables. natural beauty products and cleaning products are best too. best to stay with the things that God gave us in the garden of eden. surely bendictine was not in the garden of eden; and some of us innocently made a mistake by taking it; and our lives are filled with some regret for having done so. but do be encouraged that a change in diet can be of a help to many of you and your children. msg and aspertaine are the worst chemicals for autism. and msg hides inside many foods with gelatin, artificial flavoring, soy protein etc. look up the many names for msg on the web. it may change your life for the best. hope this helps you, as it has helped my daughter lead an almost normal life.

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I took Bendectine in 1978 while I was pregnant with my son. He was born with one testicle and has a very low sperm count which has caused him not to be able to father any children. Also, we found out when he went for his Air Force physical, that his spine was not fully developed, and that he had several discs that had not even ever formed between the vertebrae. I heard that their had been a lawsuit over this drug years back and that the court had ruled in favor of the drug company, and that there can be no more lawsuits concerning this terrible drug.

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Youknowho2, you have to appreciate the irony that I've been criticized for responding too quickly and being too well spoken (but faulted for misspellings), accused of being a shill for the drug companies and financially motivated by people filling the pages with wishes of pursing a big lawsuit (and not a whit of evidence whatsoever that I have any ties), and derided for being one-sided on site that is completely filled by one side save for my posts and ILP who at least acknowledges the possibility that there is no definitive connection. But no one has bothered to refute the evidence (and I'm the only one who has presented evidence rather than anecdotes). At least challenge the methodology or check to see if the studies were drug company sponsored. Maybe you can find fault with the study design? But no, people offer only that one of four of their children has a given problem, and that child was the one pregnancy for which they took bendictin, thus it must be the drug. But as I've tried to explain ad nauseam, such outcomes are not only statistically possible, but statistically probable. It's curious, for instance, that Ivy supposes that those with fair hair and skin might be more susceptible to any untoward effects of the drug and hence her daughter having Asperger's (and Ivy I'm not bothered at all that you left off the apostrophe, but I got blasted for so doing, so must make certain my grammer is correct). Indeed most of the research on Asperger's points towards a genetic connection (so perhaps Ivy's fair skin is a genetic link), even if there's nothing to suggest a connection to bendictin - Asperger's has been on the rise for a long time while bendictin has been off the market. And I certainly appreciate Ivy's suggestions to find hope and going forward rather than spending a life trying to pin blame. Anyway, hope I allowed the prescribed amount of time to pass this time, Youknowho2. I wouldn't want to focus on facts when it's so much easier to blow smoke.

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Ivy, I agree with you. Bendectin, Debendox, Diclectin, and myriad other drugs were seemingly made with the expectation that one size should fit everyone, with the concomitant line being promulgated that: "and no correspondence will be entered into" etc. Admittedly, it's a big ask -- but not an unnatural one, considering what's at risk -- to expect that pharmaceutical companies could perform such a task, and even if the numbers were to prove conclusively that a greater number of mums who took a particular drug didn't have any problems with having done so, this doesn't in the slightest way rule out the very important fact that some mums and their babies, whilst perhaps in the minority, but a still significant amount of people, might not fare so lucky, and obviously didn't.

Many of us know that some doctors won't allow their patients -- even male patients having no nausea -- to take several different medicines together, medicines that have been found from experience to be incompatible with one another, but I'll bet that there's many people who could take some well-known incompatible drugs together and have no problems whatsoever. But because the doctors know that if they saw to it that all of their patients followed suit then major medical complications would result, not to mention lengthy lawsuits. So, as with many things in this world, it all comes down to cost and what companies and governments deem, in their minds only, to be an 'acceptable' [read: less costly] imposition served upon the community. And we're well aware how easily fiscal figures can be fudged by those with a pecuniary interest.

If someone has persistent nausea then we must be very careful with whatever we expect that they'll be able to metabolize safely. Even though it would much more expensive to do so, compared with just prescribing them an anti-emetic, such as Bendectin, and sending them home, perhaps many of these mums should have been immediately hospitalised and fed intravenously. I'll bet that, had this more circumspect practise been followed with many of the mums then there would have been a markedly different amount of totally unwarranted teratogenicity and/or other abnormalities result statistically.

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emtridoc, I see that you used the word 'shill' instead of 'plant' [a term which someone had the temerity to accuse you of being], and that's ok, but the word 'plant', and your using the word 'definitive' also, brings to mind the time I was asked to exand on the definition of a veritable 'batchelor', so I said that the easiest way to comprehensively define a genuine 'batchelor' is: "He's a person who, although he may well acknowledge all of his houseplants have died.. always has something growing in the refrigerator"!

You're doing well on the grammar [and punctuation] score too, it's just the spelling of your 'grammer' that concerns me a tad, but then I'm not oblivious to the fact that you perhaps did it 'accidently on purpose' too!

Glenda, in #254, may be correct that no more lawsuits will prevail regarding Debendox, Bendectin and Diclectin, but then legislation, like its designer, is a malleable thing and not set in impenetrable concrete. Constitutions accrue Amendments with the passing of time, and rightly so, and I just adore the apt agency of the functional Fifth one, inter alia, so I'll say no more...for the time being, that is!

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My last post went...'POOOOOOOF' Anyway, MUST MUTE...HOW I HATE THESE ANNOYING, BLARING ADVERTS! Now, my pearls of widom must wait until later, as nature is calling loudly. 'Til then....

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This post from Jennie comes closest to my long time thoughts of my son who was born in 1976. I took Bendectine for almost all of the 9 months of my pregnancy. He seems to have no abnormalities except the emotional and bipolar-like symptoms. He just doesn't think and process like most people and at times is downright radical in his thinking . He doesn't have a lot of self-esteem. When he was much younger he used to tell me he felt like he was seeing outside of hisself. I've often wondered if this drug caused part of this.

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thanx fer yer too sense AGAIN but you see, as a part of my existing rage issues and my frustration that is so easily agitated by you plus the fact no one really cares what you blabber on about, I intend to piss you off the same way you do only my way to get at you is through careless lack of attention when typing. You piss me off when you pay so much attention to saying nothing that is effective in trying to speak to people discussing afflictions caused by a drug. You are clearly paid by 'them' to jabber the day away about nothing relevant so blab away $$$$$$ just let these voices be heard thats all that will ever come of it so settle down and listen big talker

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Youknowho2, It's not entirely clear who your rage is directed against (I presume me or ILP), but I do enjoy your typos as much as claim to like mine. I believe you mean "two cents" and not "too sense", but it could be true that the person you're angry at has too much sense or makes too much sense? My goal is not to piss you off, but this site is purported to be a discourse or discussion. That would usually imply an exchange of ideas and facts. I'm merely supplying some facts. You can dispute them, but no one really has. ILP has suggested other ways of interpreting the results, but now she has been the object of derisive attacks (and I say "she" with absolutely no knowledge, but a 50/50 shot and I sense a maternal/feminine side in the writing - hope not to offend). You remind me of George W. Bush - "You're either for this war or you're against America." Hunh? Can't there be disagreements? Anyway, now I go on and on, blah, blah, blah, right? And I think I may have responded too quickly, again. You'd think I'd learn with all the money the drug companies are throwing at me.

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emtridoc, you're incorrect with the gender but spot on with your sensing of the 'anima' in the writing, consequently, you've actually paid me a compliment beyond compare, and I'm not offended in the least. Au contraire! I think I made mention in a previous post that my dear departed mum gave birth to but four boys, and I'm the one that's far more experienced at having had to wear more hand-me-downs than any of my three siblings!

Such invective from Youknowho2 too! It seems to know no bounds, and I'm sure that much of it, if not the lion's share, is directed at yours truly and anyone else who'd beg to differ, not that many folk would deign to stoop so low, of course! G. Dubya Bush would be really miffed if he knew that he's now gotta take the furthest back seat when it comes to planning and implementing attacks. He'll never live it down if word gets out! Methinks that Youknowho2 has featured before within this forum, but under the guise of a double-barreled given name not unlike those bestowed upon many children in the deep south of the US of A. I do hope Betty Jill is keeping well, too. If you do hear of her in dispatches emtridoc, please pass on my best regards to her won't you? Maybe Betty Jill's having a rest, confident that Youknowho2 will hold the fort whilst she's away from the ramparts. It's always a bonus to have good friends who'll slot straight in at a moment's notice to fill the breach. It could be said as being a most p_unselfish action...indeed, a self-serving catharsis by pr_oxy'moron!

I do hope I've not been too tardy in posting, but time's at a premium for some of us these days.

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