Withdrawal From Vyvanse (Page 2)
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My son had a terrible experience on wyvance. He has phyciatic systems to include halluciations. The doctor took him off the drup cold turkey and Ihe seems to be having withdrawal systems? Is that normal?

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I was on several differ ADHA meds... I was on Vyvanse 40 for a year and jumped to 50.. the 50 mg cause my face to become red/ around my nose.... I wasnt going through this so I decided to stop.. I have had no withdrawal -I pray my post will encourage each of you... Blessings!!!

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I do treat children and adolescents, but I don't think I've ever written for stimulants for 5-year olds. Regardless of the PI, most of us don't feel comfortable with this, even though research goes back and forth about how dangerous stimulant prescribing is at what age. Now for the good news: there are no palpable physical withdrawal symptoms from amphetamines, unless the pt has been taking a HUGE dose. (My guess is the equivalent of 200mg of d-amphetamine daily, but bootleg street methamphetamine can contain much more and we've all known patients who were brought in DOA for this very reason.) You think everyone knows the danger of Vynase? Guess again. This month, I had three well-educated patients (a h.s. principal, a teacher and a Fulbright scholar grad student) who couldn't have faked their responses when I asked, "Do you know what Dexedrine or d-amphetamkine is? Well, Vynase is nothing but Dexedrine designed to make you think it;s not as dangerous. One patient;s anxiety stemmed from not enough Xanax prescribed along with the Vynase. WE did a work up for ADD/ADHD in Adults. I couldn't conclude reasonable that he actually had adult ADD, so we tapered the Vynase, tapered the Xanax and did that ild standby watchful waiting. He did have significant symptoms of ADD/ADHD, so I switched the medication to Ritalin (that was WAY strong enough) and the benzo to Klonopin. That worked, too. Every good pediatrician (and I mean anyone who treats young kids) has to remember the first line of the Hippocratic Oath: "First, do not harm." I have no problem calling in pediatric neurologists or ace pediatricians (Chief of NICU at our hospitals) when necessary. Yes, I'm quite intelligent, but this doesn't make me too arrogant to call in the troops when needed. I have an excellent bedside manner, but when dealing with patients who lie, dissemble, etc., in order to "get me to write for" Valium, opiates (ridiculous; if I write one opiate script a month, that means one of my its were in the "Reg" [as opposed to Psych] ED, an stimulants. My prove practice is located in a very affluent area, which means people come in who think they can pay cash and I'lll take dictation. After all, any computer-savvy patient (or any exec with a computer-lit asst; i do) can find checklists for ADD/ADHD — questions and "answers". I"m supposed to be civil to someone who thinks for double my fee, I work for him? NFW! I tell them they have confused me with Dr. Feelgood, please pay me for the session and you do not have ADD, ADHD or any perceptible focusing disorder. I had used my Dad's Rx blanks to develop one hell of a REAL (Seconal, Nembutal, Doriden, Tuinal), amphetamine (Desoyxn - methamphetamine) and opiate (Dilaudid and Oxycodone) dependency. A couple of MY friends, who also were docs' kids, saw the writing on the wall and went to my parents. The boy who became my boyfriend said, "I care too much about you to let this continue to its inevitable ending; this isn't a Tennessee Williams' play; it's life" I got the help I needed and avoided AA/NA Cultists. However, I agree that we recovered addicts should pay it forward, so I do handle some of our drug cases and I pretty much had open access to drugs. I used all the tricks of the day — different pharmacists; having names of other patients on the scripts; using other family members' names, etc. All specialists prescribe like Fps to their families. I write for Oxycodone 10/APAP 300 for my attorney sister's migraines. Nothing else works and if she uses a months supply in a half-year, that's fine, You HAVE to be tough with real addicts, although I insist all personnel treat them with respect. Most of my colleagues like me, but all of them respect me as a physician and an administrator. I've even had early 20s pats whom I treated as teens come to visit in my office. One said: "Just wanna tell you I"m clean, Doc, and I"m sorry for being a Hellion from the Pit. I really didn't mean all that s*** I said to you. You're a good guy and you have BALLS, man. 19 or not, you called my Mom. [His Mom is the toughest /charge Nurse I've ever known; she's an NP and dragged the kid in to the hospital lab for the most extensive drug scan I've ever seen.] I'm finishing community college and going on to a four-year school. I have nice girlfriend whom I've told just enough about my former life. Thanks again, Dr. Joey. Another cool thing — you're the only doc who lets us call them by their first name." He tried every dope-fiending tactic I've ever read about or head about and I "blocked" every time. What I don't like is posters parading their ignorance or feigned ignorance and those who are looking for $$$ FOR PILLS docs to write for or dispense Xanax and Methadone — a classic cocktail of abuse.

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You must have excellent reviews on bedside manner. How do you expect to get through to others if you speak to them like this? Having your patients believe in you can save their life. When you put yourself so above them and display malevolent rhetoric, they won't want to listen to your sound medical advice, even though youre brilliant. The best practicing physicians are both relateable and brilliant.

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Of course you can be addicted to vyvanse, adderall, Ritalin, concerts, any amphetamine medication. Not physically addicted as someone becomes to benzodiazepines (like Xanax) or opiates (like hydrocodone and oxycodone), both of which can make you physically ill (vomit, diarrhea, chills, vertigo, and many more fun steps that include seizures and death) at even non abusive, therapeutic doses, but you can become psychologically dependent on stimulants. If you have ADHD and the stimulants work for you, you will struggle coming off them after being on them more than a few months. Quitting cold turkey, especially after long term use can cause rebound physical symptoms. These come from the sudden deprivation that the stimulants causes your body to make, and doctors aren't sure if long term amphetamine treatment doesn't make your ability to produce dopamine even lower than before treatment. You're likely (or the patient in question) to experience upon quitting: depression, anxiety, hopelessness, low self esteem, intense hunger or food aversion, loss of interest in activity in general, extreme drowsiness, trouble sleeping, and increase in sinus/allergy/asthma congestion (no, I'm not crazy. Like the psuedo ephedrine found in cold medicine, ADHD stimulants are also vaso dilators that dry mucus and open airways. There is enough of a relationship between ADHD and children experiencing chronic otitis media, strep throat, sinus infections, ect to prompt the medical community to look at various ways an allergy or its effect on the body - inflammation, congestion that possibly slightly but impactfully lowers the amount of oxygen in the blood) is connected to ADHD.

I know this will be unpopular. As a member of the medical community who was diagnosed with ADHD at 3,5,17, and in my twenties, I know that putting your young children, 3,4,5... on medicine that will make them feel better seems good.

Please don't. I believe in stimulants for ADHD. They changed my life. But the brain of a child is still growing and to not let it grow with out the intrusion of psycho active drugs is something science doesn't know enough about that anyone could give informed consent. Also, with stimulants, there are serious side effects that can happen, mostly in those with undiagnosed cardiac issues. Children, primarily have undiagnosed cardiac issues. They lack the vocabulary in preschool or kindergarten to explain to you how they feel. "My medicine gives me butterflies inside". Does that mean the normal rush that happens with the onset of stimulant therapy or is the child experiencing an arrhythmia? Sure, your pediatrician would see it eventually, but I don't think there needs to be an explanation of how sudden death from speed mixed with a heart issue can occur. There are environmental things you can try until your child is old enough to safely take medicine. There are programs and resources and its not easy. In the last month, I've had a newly relocated mother scream at me for not advocating her 2 year old to stay on vyvanse, and had a 12 year old go to rehab for adderall addiction to avoid jail for abuse and selling.

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Benniek,

Don't waste your time. He's a total D-Bag and does this on a lot of posts. I'm surprised he has time to write so much, being such a busy Doctor. Yes, he does need to stop talking down to everyone. He's probably told everyone his credentials 1,000 times on this site. It's a waste of time even trying to get it through his thick skull that we get it and know his credentials.

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Hey go toot your horn somewhere else guy... No one really cares what you've done or how smart you think you are. People come on here to talk about vyvanse.. Not to here some want to be dr tell everyone how stupid they are.

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So, everyone knows the dangers of Vyvanse. Right? Maybe drug seekers and stone abusers like the jerk who took enough to blow out his Aortic Valve. It's's equally obvious that no one is paying attention. You don't know nearly as much about CNS stims as I do. I've participated in research studies with them and THOSE are not featured in National Inquirer headlines but articles published in Peer-Reviewed Medical Journals. I had an English professor friend run some of my posts through a readability checker and the average reading level is around 11-to-12th grade. If you want to be talked down to, pick up the Journal of Clinical Oncology. (I think I remembered the title correctly.)

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Hey why don't you find somewhere else to run your mouth off.. By now most everyone knows the dangers of vyvanse. Getting talked down to by you every few days helps no one..

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Vyvance is nothing more than a "predrug" that becomes the infamous D-AMPHETAMINE SO4 in your body. Dexedrine has a long history abuse, withdrawal syndromes, etc., Do you REALY not even know what's going into your body? That's sad.i

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It's dressed up d-amphetamine sulfate. Dexedrine? No w/d symptoms? You're either the poorest reader I've come across in years or you actually believe your own con.

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This is a molecule-manipulated conversion of dextroamphetmaine sulfate. No withdrawal. Where did you get the idea there was no WITHDRAWAL SYNDROME?

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This drug os DEXLISAMFETAMINE, a time-relased, concentrated "me, too" drug that is merely dextromphetamine (Dextrostat, Dexedrine). Theoretically, it should cause any problems that Dexedrine doesn't as well. However, thats not what we
re seeing. Parents shouldn't yank kids on and off CNS sims because there IS a physical addiction. What happened to patients like mine, who call, come in and have the kid so I can assess.

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I wouldn't put my 5 year old son on any of these meds. IMO, it's a bit young to diagnose something like ADHD. I would check for dyslexia before anything. Check his letters and numbers often. Maybe he's frustrated or maybe he's just being a kid. What were his symptoms fit this diagnosis? I'm not diagnosing by any means. Just a thought and what I would personally do for my own son. I have a 9 year old. I pray my son never has to be on any of these drugs and never becomes addicted to anything.....good luck!

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You should be ok within a couple days bud.. You need to try to move around some and be as active as you can. The longer you sit around the worse it will be. You took more than what you should have, but you will be ok. Don't use it anymore or you will find yourself in this situation again.

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I took 240 to 300 mg of vyvanse a day for a week . now im off cold turkey. iIcant hardly move , pain in body and stomach. I'm 57 ...how long will this last im very ill and cant move, so weak. I made all corrections. please send answer.

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Can fruit help strengthen your neurotransmitters quicker?

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Adderall and Vyvanse are not technically physically addictive medications, much like coke isn't physically addictive (meaning unlike opiates or benzos, your body doesn't run the risk of shutting itself down when you quit them, or even of making you sick.) They are psychologically addictive. Once someone can think clearly, accomplish basic functions, etc, it might as well be a mild physical withdrawal with how bad it feels to not be able to do that. There will drug cravings, in the sense you just want your brain to work correctly.

I'm 29 years old. I was diagnosed ADHD at ages 3, 5, 17, and 22. I took Ritalin at two different short periods in my child hood and it made me not act like the happy child I was, but it was the best medicine on the market at the time, so my parents took me off it. I did well in school, would have been slightly better but graduated with high honors, but always struggled with math, organization, and horrible handwriting (small hallmark signs). I didn't have issues until I got to college where I couldn't just hear things and learn them and repeat them. I very unluckily, and because my mother is crazy and manipulative, ended up at a non board cert. Psychiatrist who dxed me with Bipolar disorder, when my complaints were inability to sleep and inattentiveness even when I was interested in a subject. I was allergic to the class of drugs she used and she just upped the dosages...I almost died. Long story but I saw a real doctor who re dxed me with what I've had my whole life rxed Adderall xr (vyvanse was a few months or so from being on the market) . Now I felt incredible. Not high, not jittery, just like someone who could focus. I switched to Vyvanse when it came out and it was a better drug....for me. Adderall increased irritability, made me want to eat literally never, and while it helped tremendously it had some really uncomfortable side effects. Vyvanse didn't for me. I am on 70mg of Vyvanse with 30mg Adderall immediate release for the afternoon (none of these xr drugs last 10-12 hours. Don't be afraid of using a second drug in the PM because once these meds are out of your system they are out, and if you have homework or work to do after that happens, you're just screwed.)

I have friends that did much better on Adderall XR and didn't like Vyvanse, amd some they take 3 immediate release Adderall a day bc they have more control over their dosing. Immediate release Adderall is obv more addictive. Vyvanse is metabolized in the small GI tract, and is at its basically molecular level just a prodrug of adderall, meaning that it's a metabolite of the Addys, so really, the differences are in how someone's body handles the absorption method.

I taught preschool for a long time. I've seen children 8 and under on both drugs and it's never seemed to do for kids what it does for adults....it almost always seems to take away their happy kid like ness, if that makes sense. Doesnt mean it doesn't help a lot, but on the developing brain, a drug that forces a young child to focus when it's not really developmentally expected for them to be able to do so for long periods of time is going to run the risk of makING you feEl like the medicine is altogether bad. It's not. But it may be something you stop and try again later. But please don't cold turkey your kids off vyvanse, adderall or aNY of their similar counterparts. Like I said, they may not physically detox, but it feels like mental hell and they aren't going to necessarily have the mental Vocabulary to tell you what it's like. Wean them off. Please. It will make them feel so much less like crap. I also don believe in the only giving it on weekdays theory but i don't want to start an argument so I'll answer the why to that if you'd like but I don't want to just start something. Just remember to think of adhd meds to truly add people as insulin to diabetics. They don't feel okay without them.

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Hang in there. I withdrew by pouring out the capsule too. Just know u will probably have 2 s***ty weeks. If u r young, probably sooner. Hydrate and exercise. Good luck. I so feel ur pain.

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Thanks so much for your reply. Yes, although before this happened i was always thinking about how amazing it was, i will never take it again. I really appreciate your response.

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You will be ok... This was probably just a for sure sign that your body does not agree with this medication and its taking a few days to filter it completely out of your system.. Just rember how bad it made you feel the next time you have a urge to take it! Work hard at studying and pray to God to help you and you will see that he is all you need, not some medication that will eventually kill you! I'm proud of you for seeing so soon how bad the medication is and I pray that you continue to make good choices in your life from now on!

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