What Not To Say During Suboxone Appt (Page 12) (Top voted first)

My boyfriend has battled with heroin addiction for at least 2 years now. He was prescribed to before, but couldn't afford the maintenance program and ended up banging heroin again. He went back to his doctor to get a script for suboxone again last week, and the doctor wouldn't prescribe it to him. I found another dr who can prescribe suboxone nearby, and want to make sure he gets a script because he will die if he doesn't quit using. Does anyone know any reasons why a dr wouldn't prescribe suboxone?
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WANT TO TELL YOU ALL SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR "GREAT SUB FROM THE OTHER SIDE. I HAD A DRUG PROBLEM LIKE YOU ALL AND GOT CLEAN IN 1988 AND STAYED CLEAN, SUB IS HEROIN ON STEROIDS AND IT MAKES A PERSON NUMB, THEIR EMOTIONS TOO. MY FAMILY WAS RIPPED APART BECAUSE OF THE GREAT SUB MY SON AN ADDICT ON AND OFF WHO SHOT ANYTHING TO GET HIS OPIATE HIGH JUST ROBBED ME. NEVER DID HE DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND ITS NOT AN ADDICTION HE IS ON SUBS FOR 3 YEARS NOW, WHERE THE HELL IS THE CUT OFF ON THIS LEGAL HEROIN? AT LEAST WITH METHADONE I WAS ON IT DOESN'T STOP YOUR FEELINGS WELL THIS DOES THAT'S WHY IT WORKS IT STOPS YOU FROM FEELING ANY F==N THING INCLUDING THE LOVE YOU HAD FOR YOUR FAMILY FOR 40 YEARS. NO JOKE THIS IS A SERIOUS DRUG AND THE DEA HAD BETTER TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT WHAT IT REALLY DOES. IT DOES NOT RELIEVE PAIN IT TAKES ALL FEELINGS OF ANY SORT AWAY THAT'S WHATS WORKING IN ALL OF YOU, HAVE YOU NOTICED A CHANGED IN YOUR FAMILY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU? MAYBE SOME DON'T HAVE THIS REACTION BUT I KNOW MANY THAT DO AND IN THAT CASE GOOD OLD METHADONE IF YOUR GONNA CONTINUE TO USE IS THE ANSWER. YOUR NOT CLEAN YOU ARE SUBSTITUTING ONE FOR THE OTHER YOU STILL JUNKIES ON LEGAL PRESCRIPTIONS RIPPING YOUR FAMILIES APART AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE GO TO SOME NARANON MEETINGS YOU WILL HEAR IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM MOTHERS, FATHERS, HUSBANDS WIVES AND CHILDREN, YOU BECOME ZOMBIES TO THIS CRAP AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS CRAP. YOU WILL FIND OUT WHEN YOU ARE COMPLETELY BURNT FROM IT AND UNABLE TO HAVE SEX CAUSE THAT IS A FEELING THAT WILL EVENTUALLY LEAVE TOO. SOME ADVISE GET CLEAN THE RIGHT WAY, 1/9/88 IF I COULD DO IT SO CAN YOU.

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You're not alone- I'm going through the same bull****, too...UGHHH. We should talk! Lemme know if you want to talk and we could decide what to do next together??

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Goto www.suboxone.com and find a new doc near you. Tell him you've never been or taken suboxone before and heard that it helps alot with withdrawl.

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In addition, Suboxone is a very closely monitored drug and only certain doctors can prescribe it.

If he is just taking it like he took other drugs and not actually trying to taper down and get off the drugs, then no doctor will keep prescribing it for him.

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Dr. dont like subs becouse they can keep you on the methadone longer and bill the hell out of you or your ins.

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A good doctor is hareder to find than a good dog. Pay cash, don't go to a doctor that has every client in need of pain meds. If you have X-rays and can prove you've taken the meds before, you still may have to shop around. Be strait with the doctor, but don't tell your life story. Be percise and to the point; 'Iv'e been on many different med's in the past(don't say the word methadone) and 2 /4mg.name brand Diladuid tablets three times a day along with 1 30 mg. Roxicodone for severe interactive pain helps me more than anything. I take 2 mg. of zannex twice a day for stress and insomnia. Iusually break the zannex in half, or even in four pieces and just take them as needed so I won't run out. I read and I'm on the internet over 12 hours a day.For me it's not the lesser of 2 evils but something that makes life a lot easier to deal with. I have to fly over a thousand miles each month to see my doctor, because when Iv'e started calling #'s in the phone book, they ask too much personal info.

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I am not passing judgement and I know all about the AMA. The AMA are at odds with the psychiatric community because the psychiatric community lists it as a dependency in the DSM not a disease. It cannot and never will be proven it is a disease. How can anyone say that addiction is a disease when the first time you took a drug you made a choice? There is no disease that makes you smoke, inject, snort or swallow a drug. I am only stating the facts and not pass judgement. Addiction is a choice and a behavioral problem and not a disease. Keep going to those 12 step programs. The only thing they do is try to re-program your mind. You need to start thinking for yourself and not take people's word for something without researching the problem on your own. And yes, big pharma has their hands in this too. They love it to be called a disease so they can sell their drugs. Hey if you want to be brainwashed into believing what your counselor and doctor says go right ahead but you know to call this a disease removes all responsibility for your actions. This is the only disease you can go to jail for. I don't see people robbing people for a bottle of insulin.

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You say it's a disease and not a choice. I sincerely disagree. Here's the thing, a person makes a choice the first time to get high. After that if you enjoy the high you keep getting high. Soon after your body becomes dependent on that drug. You see the first time a person used, that person had a choice. Now my counselor at my tratment facility believes like you that it is not a choice. She used an example. She said if it was a choice than how come some people can drink alcohol and not become an alcoholic while someone else can drink and become an alcoholic. Well, I have an explaination. The person that became an alcoholic, we don't know what was going on in that person's life. Maybe the person's spouse just left them, or maybe the person's spouse died, or something else unpleasant going on in that person's life and when they drank they noticed it numbed their pain and they kept on drinking until their body became dependent on alcohol. You know it's funny. Some people say it's a disease. Well, it's the only disease you can go to jail for having. I don't know any diabetics stealing for a shot of insulin. To say addiction is a disease, and you believe it than anything you do to get that drug removes your responsibility because you can say, "Oh that wasn't me. That was my disease!" The NA book even says you are powerless against your disease. Well, if you believe that you are screwed before you even get out of the gate. How can you fight to recover when you are being told you are powerless? Then they tell you well, the AMA states it is a disease. Really? Then how come there are so many doctors that tell you it is not a disease? Also, the AMA are at odds with the psychiatric community because psychiatrists says it is a dependence. Even the DSM desribes it as a dependence not a disease. Then you hear things like they did brain scans and there's a difference in the brains of addicts. You know you can manipulate data anyway you want. If you line up 10 brains and you find one that is different and then find out that brain belongs to an addict they say see! Their brains are different! But how many of the other brains belonged to an addict that didn't show a difference? We don't know. Also, how do we know that after so long using a drug, the drug didn't alter the brain? No, it's a choice. The first time, it's a choice. Sure keep using your body will become dependent on it. There is no disease that makes you stick a needle in your arm or snort a drug or drink an alcoholic beverage. Some addicts might not like to hear that it's not a disease because then the responsibility falls on them.

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