What Not To Say During Suboxone Appt (Page 9)
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My boyfriend has battled with heroin addiction for at least 2 years now. He was prescribed to before, but couldn't afford the maintenance program and ended up banging heroin again. He went back to his doctor to get a script for suboxone again last week, and the doctor wouldn't prescribe it to him. I found another dr who can prescribe suboxone nearby, and want to make sure he gets a script because he will die if he doesn't quit using. Does anyone know any reasons why a dr wouldn't prescribe suboxone?
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My name is Danny I have two kids I live in buffalo I've been taking methodone for almost two years now it takes everything from me it took over a year to get me in a suboxin program I've been going for three weeks now to counseling and groups but they still have not giving me suboxone I've been going thru withdrawals how long does it take for them to help me I'm ready to give up

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Doctor's who talk like that should be barred. They don't know addiction treatment and don't need to be steering patients away from Suboxone...so what if it's hard to quit Suboxone....it's harder to come back to life after you OD on opiates. It's also harder to undo the damage done by an addict who is dope-sick and trying to do whatever they can to score. I wish someone with a degree would try to tell me how their college education taught them how I feel...I'd give them a good piece of my mind while telling them where to go, and what to kiss...

At any rate...ANY drug is hard to quit. Doctors say this crap when they don't wanna fool with it...but Suboxone is a HELL of a lot easier to taper and stop than friggin heroin...or any other opiate that has been abused for a lengthy period of time. They don't care to divulge that info. Personally, if I encountered your doctor, I'd tell her she needs to have her license REVOKED, become a junkie, and find out for herself what life is like as someone hooked, then she could pass judgment on what's her preferred method of quitting. This holier than thou attitude some doctors have isn't for people with addiction problems and these doctors shouldn't be wasting anyone's time by dabbling in Suboxone.
Either your doctor is greedy and wants to hold the Suboxone spot for someone she deems "more" of an addict, or she doesn't know what addiction really is and just took the 8-hour course for some extra money. (The data2000 course that allows them to prescribe Suboxone in the first place)

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I went to my dr that issues subs this morning in full withdrawal. Blue, oxys, opana, perc 10s. She told me about the sub program and how you have to go to meetings. She never did ask me if I want to try it. I guess she felt my issue wasn't as bad as H or something. But she gave me scripts for clonodine, hydroxyzine, doxepin and I have klonopin. Told me to take Imodium for the runs and these pills for Stomach cramps. I was thinking to myself what the fck?! I felt like hell but this stuff is supposed to help me detox at home. I just want to go score something that I know will make me feel instantly better and I told her as soon as I leave this office I'm going to try to score. But she said since the subs were very hard to get off just like H that she didn't advise it. I'm confused and scared. I'm tired of being under the opiate umbrella but I can't walk around and work feeling like this.

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You won't be able to find out much here on how to go about getting your daughter back, state to state the laws will vary... usually you have to complete a course or attend parenting classes and pass a few tests showing you're not on any illicit substances.

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Thanks for sharing your story with me. It's so similar to what I'm going through! I just found out a few days ago that cps is going to take my daughter away. I feel so bad and so stupid for letting this happen! I know I need help but I guess I just dont really know how to go about getting it! I tried getting an appointment with the only dr that prescribes suboxones here but there's like a 3 month wait! Anyways, now that I f***ed everything up, I wanted to ask you and anyone else, how do I go about getting my daughter back and how do I get my family to understand what's going on? They're the ones that called cps on me so I kinda feel betrayed by them! :(

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I am a Suboxone doctor and I understand your issue. I was addicted for years and I can help.

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I have my partner on an Atods program its the best yet. It helps his cravings and he has dropped down on his suboxone within a couple of months he is happy to be on this program as he finds it successful in so many ways we pay $50 a fortnight and he gets his dosage everyday the best thing ever to help...

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I've been in Subutex pills 4over 5yrs. Its seems 2 b stronger than suboxone. Sum people I know snort them & shoot them. I know if tried many times 2 stop all 2gether. I take 1aday use 2 take 4aday. Only from a pk addiction. I use 2 get sick from suboxone but not these. I now have 2 find a Dr that prescribes subutex & I'm not having any luck. I wish the best 4 all us addicts. My family doesn't understand.

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People who say Suboxone withdrawal is worse than anything else only say that because they can't remember how bad the opiate withdrawals really were. Ever notice that when you say you're hurting, and the pain is pretty bad, you always are convinced it's the worst pain you've ever felt? It's because that is your brain telling your body that you've never felt no pain worse than what you currently feel. Same for the withdrawals. Your brain tells you that this withdrawal is worse than any you ever encountered, when that simply isn't true. If you don't believe what I'm saying here, then fine...here is a doctor saying the same thing and explaining it:

Part one:
youtube.com/watch?v=ETf9LvCu88c
Or skip to this:
youtube.com/watch?v=ETf9LvCu88c&feature=youtu.be&t=5m44s
youtube.com/watch?v=ETf9LvCu88c&feature=youtu.be&t=7m57s

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Hi ahbk9457, Simply put,NO. Stay away from the suboxone. Suboxone has one of the longest half life. Search half life of drugs to better understand it. If you suffer from withdrawalls easily trust me, you don,t want to go thru the suboxone withdrawalls. I,ve weaned down from 12mg. of sub/day to one. Stopped completely Sat. I,m sitting here Tues. @ 4AM. Can,t sleep, feel like crap. I,m a person that had a 500-600mg./day Oxy habit so I,m used to some pretty horrible wds. but this is kicking my butt. The Clonidine will help if you can get some also something to help you sleep. Preferbly a prescribed sleep aid. I wish I had some. Good Luck.

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I have been on vice for the past month or so and will be undergoeing a major surgery here in about two weeks...I tend to withdrawal very easily and very harshly no matter what I do or take (if I drink 2 can of red bull every day for 3 days and none on the 4th I withdrawal) . I am not into street drugs or anything illegal like abusing my prescription pain meds, but since I go through nasty withdrawals at the drop of a hat would subuxone be good for me to try? Or should I go more on the lines of clonidine? I stay at home with my kids while my spouse works and we live far from family so can't afford daycare and noone here to watch kids for me...I have been off and on pain killers for about two years due to this same issue I am finally getting surgery for but I have been on the pain killers steady now for about a month and really only plan to need the for 2 weeks or so after surgery but I am deathly scared of withdrawal... I have gone thru before but because the issue wasn't resolved I was back on pain meds...ugh so confused and lost and not sure whether to ask for subs or clonidine after surgery...pain pills have been a big part of my life for a while now and I am scared I won't be able to do it without them

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Daniel, you can't find a doctor because doctor's don't prefer to prescribe benzos while taking Suboxone...
Here's the reason: IT CAN KILL YOU.
Suboxone is meant to be used to stop the addictive habits that come with opiate use/abuse.
Benzos and regular opiate painkillers are bad enough, adding Suboxone to that mix is asking for a death sentence...so I can understand not being able to find ANY doctor willing to prescribe you that concoction of meds that you'd prefer to be taking.
The entire reason someone takes Suboxone in the first place is to stop the "can't get enough" attitude and no longer be dependent on such deadly doses of opiates to begin with...so why do you want to keep taking such a mixture of pills?
Suboxone has benefits in everyone from alcoholics to depression-prone people...

I'd suggest just eating the pills, or heroin...or, try to better yourself and your life and take just Suboxone. If Suboxone isn't working, it's likely you either a)aren't in withdrawals bad enough when you take it (according to the COWS scale), or b) you aren't taking a strong enough dose to curb the opiate withdrawals.

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I have bin on clonazapam for over 15 years. My doctors have concluded that it is just something that my body needs to be normal. I have also had an opiod problem for the past 10 years on and off. I left Illinois about 2 years ago after getting off suboxone. This past year I had an insident that I wound up needing pain killes for and I have had a problem with H ane OC's ever since the accident and would like to get back on suboxone but cant find a doctor in the Denver area to perscribe me while I'm still on clonazapam. I have bin on bouth mideications in the past for years and never had a single problem. Most likely because I don't abuse me meds. Can someone out there help me find a doctor In the Denver Colorado area. I would be forever greatfull.

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I have bin on clonazapam for about 15 years. I have also had a problem with opiods for the past 10 years. My doctor said it's just one of those things that I might need to take for the rest of my life. I take it as perscribed and when I lived in chicago I was able to take it with my suboxone and had no problems for years. Now that I have moved to Denver I am still on my clonazpam but back on H and OC's and I can't find a doctor that would be willing to perscribe me suboxone while I'm still on benzo's. Does anyone know of a doctor that is willing to help.

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Alice I feel for u. You will get better I promise. U sound like an awesome mother. Just hang in there. And it doesn't matter how long u have been doing H. The doc will still prescribe it to u. H is a very addictive drug and only Doing it once will get u hooked so don't worry about how long u have been doing it. You're still addicted and the doc will prescribe them to u I started taking subs in June of this year and have been clean for 4 months. Yes u will still feel a little depressed for a couple weeks once u start suboxone a but it'll get better. Honest it will. And no they will not take your daughter away from u. U r seeking help and that's what matters. I have a 3 year old and now in doing soooo much better. So keep your head up and please get on a suboxone program ASAP because I promise u will feel so much better

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U really have to wait 24 hours of not doing H before u take a suboxone to not feel sick. U have to be in some sort of state of withdrawal before u take a suboxone. I've been there don't it. I am on suboxone right now 16 mg a day. I have been clean for almost 4 months and I feel great now. Just get clean. I never thought I could get through it but I did.

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It don't matter male or female, suboxone works the same way in both....by attaching to the pain receptors in the brain, with a stronger affinity (binding) than other opiates...and heroin is of course, and opiate. It's derived directly from the poppy plant, so it's a pure form, unlike pills which are synthetic. But thanks to the way Suboxone works, when it binds to those pain receptors, other opiate painkillers, up to and including heroin, will be almost impossible to knock it off the receptors so they can attach. That's where the euphoric feelings come from...the opiates, like heroin, attach to the pain receptors, and it causes a euphoria...because the mu receptor is located in the pleasure center of the brain. This is also why the addiction happens, because the body begins to stop making it's own form of a painkiller (dopamine), and it's replaced with the synthetic form of it...opiates.. After a while, the brain completely stops making dopamine, and when you quit taking heroin, pills, or the opiate you're using, the brain doesn't start back making the dopamine because it's been replaced for so long that it takes a while before the brain says "hey, we need this stuff" and starts making it again. ....this is why the withdrawals take place.

At any rate, this doesn't matter if you're male or female...Suboxone works in the same manner for both...and yes, it can be VERY successful for heroin as long as your dose is high enough that you don't feel withdrawals. The main thing is to get rid of ALL triggers that currently make you want to use...whether that's the friends you have, the things you do daily...change your entire routine and lifestyle and you'll be very successful with stopping the stuff that's going to eventually kill you...and you'll be grateful for having a second chance at life. Take it from someone who had a 400mg+ habit of oxycontin a day...I was looking for heroin when I found Suboxone, because the money I was spending on Oxy, I couldn't bought CHUNKS of heroin and got the same effect.

Changing the subject...once you've been cleaned up a while, watch the movie (it's on Netflix) called "Oxymorons"...
It's based on a VERY true story about the oxy epidemic hitting Boston and how it ruined two brothers and their entire family. One of them made it out alive and cleaned up to tell his story. Everyone else...wasn't so lucky.

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Hi I wanted to talk to the girls on here I also recently got hooked on H only 6 months ago and i desperately need to quit i used to have a meth problem and have been clean of it for 5 yrs i have typical addictive personality and abuse and issues in my childhood love my fiance so much but he is a longterm H addict and has cleaned up many times and then relapsed..i hear you the girl who said she seeks out drug users i didnt even mean to do that he was sober when we met but similar people attract each other i dont want to get away from him quite the opposite we have both made a pledge to get clean together and we really wanna we are about to go on a Suboxone program as thats the only thing that works for me and sick of getting in debt finding subs on the street to try to keep off H then running out of subs and getting a new bag of H blah blah sure y'all know the story.. Anyway i hope and pray the subs detox program will do it for us..as i hate my life at the moment ..my kids are grown up but when they were small used to be terrified of losing them due to my pathetic weaknesses with drugs.. BUT as its detox not maintenance i think its only gonna be for a few weeks hope this is long enough????.. ive always hidden my drug abuse and at this time i just need others to tell this s**t to its soooo hard alone.. ove my man and want us both to be okay..i forgot what a normal life and sex life is like ..i cant live like this H has totally f****d me up big time wish i never touched it..good luck to all of you guys... any advice will be so welcome..anyone successfully gotten off H with subs detox???

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Alice I hope you read this msg. I know how you feel about a constant feeling that someone will harm your daughter like that and feel as though you cant seek the help you need because you can not bare the thought of something happening while your away getting help. I also felt that everyone was a possible child molester because like you said you never know, its always the person you least expect. Well it was in my case. No one expected my Grandpa.
Because of my childhood, my refusal to get help for the abuse and my addiction I wasted years dragging me son along through my disease and hurting him emotionally. He watched me spiral out of controll. From soccer and PTA mom to a needle junky. And i thought it was ok because he was always with me. I never left him with people and never got totally wasted until we were a safe at home. When we had one. I thought i was doing what was best for him. I had tried to detox my self several times. Each attempt was more damaging then the last to both me and my son. So i thought a junkie mom was better then me getting treatment (which i know nothing about) and leaving him with people that could hurt him. I didnt want him to be scarred emotionally like i was. Long story short because of my constant moving which resulted in a lot of missed school on top of the mornings i was to dope sick to get him on the bus. Social services got involved. They knew nothing of my drug problem never suspected it. They said he could not miss anymore schooal. And keep i was mind that there's a lot of other crazy s*** that seemed ok because i was i was active addiction. All i had to do was get him on the bus, he was 9 yrs old. Wake him up and watch him get on the bus. I couldn't wven manage to do that. That's a sad but true fact. Thats where this disease took me. (Sorry if this post seems to be long. I have a point. Really, i do lol) and this seemed some what normal. Idk how but it did at the time. I lost custody of my son on Nov.1,2011 for educational neglect. They picked him up at school the day after be missed. He went to his Grandmother on his dads side. All i had to do to get him back was parenting classes and get a job and hold it for 3 months. 6 months later i tried to commit suicide because i couldnt stop putting that s*** in my arms. I was doing 20 60mg morphine a day plus 5-10 15 mg roxi. I would sit and cry as was using, cuz i hated it, and the guilt from losing him was unbearable. Spend 24at hours in the hospital, only because my family said a window broke on my arms the Dr could not hold me because i had witnesses. I checked my self into a recovery home the next day. Now SS knew i was an addict. It will be two years this november, these past 2 yrs i have spent i was and out if recovery homes and treatment centers. I am what is considered a chronic relapser. 6 months ago. I started seeing a psychiatrist and he put me on ritalin for my ADD and suboxone along with depression meds and we are dealing with my childhood. I graduated a 6month recovery home and am in therapy with my son who is 11out now. And i will be getting custody back if him in january :)
In therapy my son said " mom i wish you would have just let me stay with granny when you were on drugs instead of taking me all those place. He is more upset with me that i toted him around chasing a buzz instead of leaving him with family. He asked me why i didn't go to treatment before i lost custody. This is my story. Im not saying you will end up lime i was or anything. Im just saying it is better to get help while they are younger and while you can. If it wasn't for the suboxone i would not have been able to quit and get him back. Suboxone and God has keep me clean and sober for 6 months. It works.

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There Are No Guarantees About Suboxone Doctors

I've been a Suboxone patient for several years, now. (I won't say for how many years- because: 1. Frankly, it is nobody's business; and:
2. There seems to be quite a bit of judgment going on around here; and I've had to
deal with more than enough of that, already- Thank you very much.

In my latest experience with a certain sub doctor, I DID get screwed over:
When i first called for the appointment, it was easy enough to make the initial
appointment and to get quoted the cost of the office visit, the rules of the "program",
etc. However, after I traveled about an hour and half by car to this appointment
and arrived at my destination, the very first thing that came out of the receptionist's
mouth, as soon as i walked in the door was, "Do you have your money for your office visit with you?" After i paid, i did not wait very long, as i was the only patient in there.

Well, to make a long story a shorter one- this doctor only prescribed me 4 mg per day. And, he wanted to see me back in 2 weeks, and pay more money- which i did

Fast forward to two weeks later, and i go in to my next (and final!) appointment.
It was a longer wait, and there was 3 other patients in there. Well, he takes me down to only 2 mg per day. (During this appointment, this male, balding, elderly doctor acts VERY inappropriate towards me.)

So, after I return home, I Google a few things and make some phone calls. I now have an appointment with yet another Suboxone doctor, about an hour and half away - in the OTHER direction from where i live. But i made sure that i got my Intake done over the phone, and THIS time, i asked a lot more questions. As well, this next doc is much cheaper than the one that i just fired.

However, there is never any guarantees.

Thanks,
subl1ngual

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