What Not To Say During Suboxone Appt (Page 7)
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My boyfriend has battled with heroin addiction for at least 2 years now. He was prescribed to before, but couldn't afford the maintenance program and ended up banging heroin again. He went back to his doctor to get a script for suboxone again last week, and the doctor wouldn't prescribe it to him. I found another dr who can prescribe suboxone nearby, and want to make sure he gets a script because he will die if he doesn't quit using. Does anyone know any reasons why a dr wouldn't prescribe suboxone?
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You can always go to an ER, they are (by LAW) allowed to give a 3 day supply of Suboxone. They might try to say they can't...but they CAN..it's fact!! If you get to the point where you have to argue with them about what they can prescribe though, chances are you won't get sub anyway...so it's prolly a moot point to try and reason with an ER doc. They have this thing about a junkie telling them that they don't know what they are talking about, and get all uppidy about it if you try to say they are wrong -- for some reason, most doctors are above that "being wrong" crap.

Other than ER...look on the naabt website for docs in your area..start calling and don't stop until you find one. A little known fact, you can also call psychiatrists, though many don't specialize in addiction medicine, most are licensed to write Suboxone...but you can call and see...
I wouldn't quit until you find one, because if you wait, you sure aren't gonna feel like calling around later once the withdrawals hit...

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I need to get back on subs I was doing great then I went to jail for child support, got out and stayed on ocs. It seems that it takes two to three weeks to get in to a sub Dr. I can't tolerate the withdraws and have no insurance. Is there anyway to get a next day appt with a sub Dr? If I wait three weeks I might as well quit, but I can't go cold turkey and I just lost my opiate connection. I'm very scared about tomorrow. Cold turkey from snorting h, and chewing 80 mgs of ocs a day for two months without a day off, I'm afraid I'll stop breathing. I go into panic attacks when I go cold turkey. Is there anything I can say or do to get in to a sub Dr tomorrow or the next day?

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Amen to that

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wow that is a pretty messed up story. god bless you and your kids and I hope you were able to get on suboxone. I been on it for a while and its helped me tremendously. hoping and praying it does the same for you

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You are so right. Often times we are not told that after a month of taking just vicodin, we cannot stop. The w/d symptoms are an illness in itself. No one should judge for sure. Heh, suboxone will cure your hydrocodone addiction - trust me

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You are very wrong on your statement. I will share me story with you to explain. I am a 5 year opiate addict. 5 years ago I unfortunately had a stroke at the age of 23. The months to follow were terrible for me. The stroke left me with migraines that made me want to die. After trying multiple medications the doctor prescribed me to hydrocodone. At this point I was in pain at least 4 days a week so as you can imagine I was taking the medicine quite a bit. This went on for some time until I needed more for it to work for me. Before I knew it I was taking 4 5mg vicodins just to knock the headache. I was fully hooked a year in. The migraines have now subsided but the addiction is still there. I am in the process of getting into a suboxone program because this has ruined my life. It was not my choice to start this medicine it was my doctors. And what I wouldnt give to go back and never start. So please dont judge before you know a persons circumstances.

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I am happy to hear that you are doing well, Alice.
I think Suboxone could work for you. It has been working for me. I commented a year or so ago, I was going through a hard time. I went to the new doctor and he said, what? You ran out? You are not on a high dose, I'll just increase it to 1 1/2 sublingual strips (I so prefer those over pills) per day instead of 1. Problem solved! The first time it was hard to get the prescription filled but the doctor helped me! I never ran out again, and it's been a year since then.
Best of luck to you. I wish all best to you and your children. Our lives are so short, right? And children are the gift from the future; they go where we cannot go, not even in our dreams, Gibran said, but we are also good, who sent them flying on their way. Let's treat all of us with love and respect.

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Illustratedgirl, I think you should try the suboxone, if you are able to. I believe most time people want subutex because you can abuse it, like all the other opiods we all have taken not according to instruction, but according to how much we wanted. Suboxone, you can't really shoot or snort or anything, just take as directed is the most effective way. As JM Ala said, it works same on day 366 as it did on day 1, basically. Good luck! I have known people in several different areas who have found this through various clinics and with or without insurance, but I'm not sure how they did it. I have insurance. My first doctor I did not like, but I kept with him for the Suboxone until I found another one certified in addiction studies or whatever they call the extra course they have to take. This guy is a family practice guy + addiction, I don't know...how to describe it, he just is a human being who actually talks, smiles, and listens to other human beings. I really think there should be a statue of him somewhere, for his kindness. I am not sure if the subox will help you with your pain; as others have mentioned, if you have the addiction in check, maybe just actual non-opiates may work to alleviate pain? Ibuprofen and the like. I know this sounds insane to heroin addicts, but the suboxone takes care of that part, binding with the same receptors in your nerve cells as the opiates used to do, but I do not believe it is a pain reliever, as such. Keep trying. Best of luck.

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DJF:
And yeah...tell people to run to ER every day...we don't have enough health care expenses from people running to ER and not paying the bill...People like you really burn my pizz...you think we all owe you something because YOU went and got yourself hooked on drugs, now everyone should take care of you because of that. Once a moron, always a moron, I guess...but I don't owe you nothing, and my taxes don't need to pay for you running to ER every day just because you feel bad. You can't afford the meds, then do what you should've done already...deal with it and lead a normal life without drugs. If you can't afford to drive a BMW, then you drive what you can afford. If you can't afford to wear designer clothes, then you wear Sam's choice or thrift store special...why you think something YOU did to yourself and caused addiction is any different...well that's beyond me. The sense of entitlement you have is beyond unrealistic, it's just downright absurd. You are entitled to only have what you can get for yourself in this world, nobody owes you anything, so stop feeling like you are such a high & mighty person that everyone should foot the bill for you to be comfortably numb throughout life.

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Doctors can not write if heroin is in urine test.

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DJF:
you're blaming everyone else for your addiction. this country didn't force you to take anything, nobody held a gun to your head and forced Suboxone in your mouth. so stop with that blame bs, accept responsibility for what you did on your own. apparently you decided to get hooked on something, and now you seem to think that you don't need to accept any of the consequences from that. no sympathy here, you made your bed and now you gotta lie in it. don't expect anyone to play your game unless they are in denial too, most of us are willing to man up and be responsible for what choices we made.

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Because this country would rather see people stay messed up instead of getting better I'm on suboxin and its cost me 2500.00 dollars for the last 6months I owe everybody and can't afford no more so it looks like I'm going to have to do the same its the doctos and the suboxin clinics and the FDA what you need to do is go to the er every day and maybe they will learn not to take advantage of people who are trying to get help if you got Coventry cares they are a crooked company and need to be put out of business anyway job

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Amen. Anyone spending 12 hours a day reading about finding opiates and flying 1000 miles a month for an opioid scrip is FAR too much of an addict to be giving anyone here advice.

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Hello again. Thank you to everyone that replied for the kind and encouraging words. Thank God CPS decided to close their investigation and did not take my daughter away but they did tell me I need to take parenting classes and a substance abuse class. And my first appointment with them is on Wednesday. But I'm actually kind of excited about going. I do want to get help and I also feel like going to these classes will show everyone that I want to make a change and better myself. I'm ashamed to admit that I am still using. I don't remember if I mentioned it before but I applied for Medicaid to see the sub doctor and get a script but they were backed up and weren't going to take any new patients for several months. And before that time came around, I lost my insurance because I didn't file for child support. I'm going to reapply and file this time if I even get approved. I'm so tired of this addiction ruling my life but it's freaking impossible for me to quit cold turkey! Anyways, I don't have much to say that I haven't already said so I'll write again to let anyone who's interested know what happens. Again, thank y'all so much for the prayers and encouragement! It truly means a lot to me. And to those of you going though similar situations or struggling with your own addiction, please don't give up! Or for those who have a loved one struggling with addiction, don't give up on them! Cause it's so hard to get through this and even harder to get through it on your own! Again, I really appreciate the prayers and I will also pray for all of you! Goodnight..

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It took me a long time to realize that less is best. I was so used to being out of pills every month. Trying to plan on how I would have enough or where I could find/get more vics/percs/morhine - it didn't matter as long as it was an opiate. Now on Suboxone 3 months - my life has changed 100% I am serious. I have $1000 a month that I didn't have before. I am not worried that I won't have enough until next doctors visit. Well worth it. I am ready to move on now. It took me the longest to admit I even had a problem because I do have actual multiple surgeries pain - chronic pain. The suboxone doesn't take care of all the pain, but I am willing to deal with a little pain and there are some other types pain meds that will help with pain that you can take while on suboxone. Good luck to all and feel free to ask me questions - I will respond.

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Look lady, don't listen to these whining saps. Seriously? "I'm on H now for blah blah blah.... Listen, if your guy WANTS to quit using he needs to bite the bullet and check into LONG TERM inpatient treatment. It's the only option. Otherwise, he'll take suboxone for a few weeks and his addict inside his head will convince him to go get high again. How many times has he f***ed your finances and life up because of this crap? Seriously, tell your old man to go to treatment or go to hell.

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dear alice,i and im sure many others can relate to u.dont know how old u are,but there is a recovery program for women with there children.i have some great advise for you but ive never answered these blogs and im not sure itll work so let me try this lil bit and if you reply ill write you back with good news. scorpio

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Jolter is right.. Suboxone is an EXTREMELY powerful medicine, one that lasts for days in the body without wearing completely off.. It does lose some potency as time goes by, but if you took Suboxone today, you'd still have trace amounts in your bloodstream in 4-5 days, depending on how many milligrams of it you take. A full ceiling level, 24mg to 32mg would take over a week..because of the "half-life" that Suboxone has. There's a common 37.5 hour half-life to Suboxone, depending on various factors, some may break it down quicker, and some may take longer. But the average is 37.5 hours. So, 24mg at 8am today...37.5 hours from now, you'd have 12mg. 37.5 from that, 6mg. 37.5 hrs from that, 3mg. 37.5hrs from that, 1.5mg...and so on.
It takes a while to get it completely gone, which in-turn helps with not having such severe withdrawals from Suboxone. People "say" withdrawals from Suboxone are just the most awful thing EVER n EVER....but they are badly mistaken, or they never had a really strong addiction to short-acting opiates to begin with. Considering the half life of Suboxone, you are not left with just NONE in your system until about 2 weeks after your last dose, if it was a full 20+mg of it. So, the withdrawal symptoms are actually quite mild. The problem is, once you take Suboxone, you feel mostly normal...and you easily forget how bad withdrawals from short-acting opiates really was...like norco or percocet. So, taking Suboxone for 6 months...you've been away from the "street" drugs for quite a while, plenty of time for you to forget how intense and serious the withdrawals are...and Suboxone has been a "cushion" for you...so, when some of these people say "OMG Suboxone is the worst ever, I never should've got on it...OMG OMG"....they are naive enough to believe that Suboxone is the reason for their problems.
My biggest gripe with that is that people are blaming Suboxone...like Suboxone is the entire reason they are in this boat to begin with....don't mention the YEARS you spent eating norcos, lortabs, percocets, and oxycontin...or even HEROIN...only talk about how bad Suboxone is in the past 3 months.
People really should stand back and look at the life they were leading before Suboxone, and be thankful that such a drug exists.
Hopefully doctors are starting to come around to what Suboxone can do, and how much of a tool it can be. It's not meant to be solely used as a band-aid or suddenly heal someone from addiction. Everything about the lifestyle has to be different, or it's just wasting time (and money).

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Hi Tyler,

Not all suboxone doctors are mean and bad. The first sub doctor I went to was very knowledgeable about subs and was also a nice guy. He was full (they can only take so many patients beacuse of DEA rule) the second time I decided to go on subs again so I went to a different sub dr. He was an ok guy but didn,t seem to know much about subs.

Theres good and bad sub doctors just like doctors in other fields.

Hey Middle aged,

I,m not a doctor. Maybe suboxone drs. are starting to smarten up. Maybe there starting to realize that in most cases they don,t need to prescribe such high doses. Suboxone is incredibly strong. This is just my opinion.

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I am not Dana, but would like to reply. I have a question for a doctor (understanding that this is not patient/doctor relation and that you hold no liability to the answer). The maximum dosage for Suboxone is 32mg per day - why are doctors now only prescribing 24 mg as maximum and most recent are trying to aim more toward 12 mg per day ? What has changed so drastically ?

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