What Exactly Does Suboxone Do? Is It Addicitive? (Page 12)
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i have a friend who desperately wants to get off of methadone and pain pills. will suboxone work? is it addicitive too? if someone can please help me that would be great! also is it very expensive, that's what i've heard.

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I have been taking pres. pain killers9 vicodin, lortab, norco etc. for about 4 years. I start seboxin on Monday, wish me luck!!

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I have been a heroin user for just about a year now. I was clean for 2 and a half years and fell back into the hell hole. Im looking at getting a couple suboxones. How many do you suggest I need to just make it through the withdrawal to be able to continue working. I did about a bundle a day by injection. Are there different doses of suboxone and what not. If anyone could help my, it would be greatly appreciated. I am dying to get clean. I want my life back.

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Help...after a long time of denial my boyfriend finally admitted he has a percocet problem. He has now informed me he is self-medicating with suboxome he got from a friend. This worries me greatly. What are the risks of this? He is saying he breaks up the pill (8mg) and takes a quarter 4 times a day.

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I reccomend suboxone over methadone.. From first hand expereience it worked better for me. I'm still on it, I started on 16 MG a day and im now down to a quarter. Thing is, I've been on it for almost a year... and tapering off it hasnt been THAT difficult, but even now if I miss a dose I go into instant withdrawl within the first 12-24 hours which is terrible.. I find suboxone withdrawls almsot as bad as oxy withdrawls and I was on 160-240 mg a day... Don't think suboxone is a miracle drug... It takes much more than just a substitute pill to actually cope and deal with your addiction. I advise all who are on the program to try it for 6 months to a year and then try to taper off of it. Anything longer than that will just prolong your addiction.. Plus buprenorphine the active ingridient in suboxone is a synthetic opiate.. Although it does have Naloxone in it, IT IS STILL AN OPIATE! Therefore, you are still stuck with an addiction. People don't understand this clearly and misjudge suboxone, thinking it isnt bad. It can be, just follow your doctors plan and DON'T stay on it for longer than 2 years... Thanks everyone hope you all are serious about being clean... Oxy's/painmeds ruined my life and tore apart my whole family... It's really horrible. But if you value your life more than pain meds you still have a chance! Thanks again! Michael James H

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I took Sub back in 04 - it worked but I started the OC's again. In 4/09 I was in a car accident and RX'd 30's & then 15's. I asked my DR to put me on Sub today. I WANT OFF. Am I stupid to think I can do this in 30-60 days?? I really want to get out of bed without taking a pill. I am realistic in the fact that I am not going to feel well and have some WD's when I stop Sub but has ANYONE on here done it in 30-60 days? I want this more than anything else I have ever wanted in my life!

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Hi Pat. thanks for responding, and the input. Its funny, a girl in my outpatient therapy said she went to N\A and was going to get her 30 day keychain when she let it out that she was on suboxone, and told her story. Well they then proceeded to tell her that she didnt deserve her 30 day token since she was still using and they wouldnt give it to her. She was so proud that she had made it 30 days since she never dreamed of a life outside of dope and those a-holes tried to take that away from her, i was floored to say the least! Its sad that they would treat her in that fashion, they are there to support right? Also the groups in my area seem to be more concerned with trolling for drugs and thirteenth stepping (looking for sex) its messed up, so ive actually been going to A\A instead tho alc was never my problem (unless i was out of dope and was drinking till i could sleep).
I would love to exchange emails and talk to you without the world seeing if possible i have gmail, and the names the same so please email me. its nice to communicate with someone who understands both sides of maintenence therapy and addiction. i was having some bad cravings till i came back here and seen that you had replied. so for that i thank you, it snapped me outta it, but it sucks to hear that after so much time you still have cravings. i dont know why but i was hoping that it would all magically go away after a couple years or so. i=after i was released from detox the first week and a half were very easy but now im finding empty bags in my old hiding places and it seems like all my clean friends and family want to talk about is my recovery so its getting kinda old (at least i have support, most people dont) so relapse seems to haunt me at every corner of life. anyway i would love to start emailing eachother so i can pick apart your brain and learn from you if thats ok. hope to hear from you soon!
--jason

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my docter got his licence taken away he has cut me off all my meds left me to fend for my self sorry good luck he said to me i a scared to death three back surgerys two nuro stemulaters please i need help now i was also on zanez for saviar panic atacks

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Hi Wool..Congrats on being able to change over to Suboxone..I was so sick on it that I had to quit, you are lucky that it is working for you. I know at my clinic they offer both methadone and suboxone which I think is a good thing because methadone is not for everyone..You wernt imagining things that cherry stuff is brutal, but that is the only way they have it in my area so I don't know any difference, I heard that there is a difference though, some patients say that the clear liquid holds them longer, but like I said, I have never had it, and even after all of these years I still make sure I have something in my stomach when I drink my dose, and on occasion on my weekly clinic visit, I will hang around for about 15 minutes if I feel like I am going to throw up, after that, it is already in the system. Now I have taken the pills, and they are (at least for me) a lot stronger,,I am on 160 mg and if I took 16 10mg tablets I would probably sleep for a week...I don't tolerate the tablets that well..Srength has nothing to do with your recovery, we have a diease and we just have to be on guard 24/7 see they will tell you that you can do this on will power and it has nothing to do with will, our bodoes just arent capable of telling the difference between an opiate medication and an opiate drug..I was also a member of NA, but I was TOLD to leave because I was honest and I told people I am a MMT patient..They told me I was using and didnt belong there, so I walked out in Nov 2002 and I havent looked back. I am not downing NA, just my group..Do me and yourself a big favor, if they tell you that you are using or substituting one drug for another, walk out and find another meeting, ok?? Don't let anyone tell you when to taper. Listen to your body and when and you feel its time, do it SLOWLY..Suboxone is a MF'er to kick, it is as bad as any other opiate, I learned the hard way. You seem to me like you are ready to stay clean, so you are going to be fine. If you listen to your heart and your body and not other people, you will make it..The only other secret I have for me staying clean is, I stopped kicking it with my old friends, even though they are still my friends, I cant be around people who shoot dope if I am I will start using too, so I had to cut almost everyone loose, and I too attend counseling, I just changed clinics and there is a lot more recovery there. Most of the patients are my age (Mid 50's) so we dont want to ever use again, I have been at this for 30+ years and I am too old and tired for the streets, I dont think I could survive another run, and that is why I made the decision to stay on methadone until they find a cure for addiction. I have tried everything else, and methadone gave me back my life. I know I am in the minority, because most people will taper and stay drug free, but like I said I cant do the rollercoaster anymore..And I dont ever want to catch another cold!!!! Its true, I havent had one (knock on wood) in over 10 years...I probably have had colds but I dont feel them..Liquid handcuffs is a phrase used mostly by patients who wont stay clean and because of that they cant get take homes and have to go to the clinic everyday..It is also a phrase used at rehabs to con the patients off of methadone by lying and saying If you stay on methadone you cant ever travel, you are stuck in your own city for the rest of your life You and I both know that is BS, I have traveled all over the US, on airplanes and have never been asked any questions or been treated any different it is a medication like any other medication..In fact we are planning a vacation maybe next summer to Cancun and I just found out that I can bring my own methadone with me so no worries there either. Some people are just never going to accept the fact that methadone patients are their friends, next door neighbors, teachers doctors, lawyers, and everything in between.We both know that no one can tell the difference between us and Joe Citizen, but they fear us and hate us, maybe because they somehow see themselves in us, I just have never understood the hate people have just because they find out their employee is a recovering opiate addict on methadone or suboxone, and if this WOD's doesn't end, we will always be the scapgoats..Keep up the good work, don't let anyone put you down and don't think yourself a failure if you don't taper off of the suboxone right away..Remember no timelines, our bodies are all different, Hell, I was clean from all drugs for several years, and when I relapsed I thought I was a failure, I was wrong..This is just me, but without an opiate in my body, I have never felt right, I always craved heroin even after 10 years of no heroin..My endorphines are all messed up, see I have been an opiate addict since I was 14 years old and my body craves it, and with methadone for the first time, I feel the way I felt b4 I ever picked up a drug, I feel normal (whatever normal is) I guess it is just feeling clean w/o the obsession to pick up..Thank you for responding to my post, and if you want to talk, just post me here and we can exchange emails....Be good to yourself

Pat

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to pat. just out of curiosity do you take tablets or liquid? i went the liquid route (clear and you could hardly taste it with oj) and when i was being good and only taking mdone it worked wonders, but then i had to guest at another clinic while away from chi and they had the red methadone that had like some nasty cherry flavor in it. my god the taste made me sick all day. i never knew that mdone came in different flavors and the clear never bothered me, but this cherry crap made me puke my dose out a couple times yuk. it wasnt wd's or anything i mean the dose was the same it was just that awful taste. sorry i just thought it kinda funny and wanted to share.
and where did the phrase liquid handuffs come from, i think its kinda silly to say. it only takes a few clean drops to get a higher phase or level or takehome bottles whatever your clinic may call it ya know. people need to research more and judge less. you know i never had a cold while on methadone, i never thought about it till yer last post but yea i think it may be the cure for the common cold, lol sorry just being goofy, i like yer posts pat, congrats on being clean so long i hope i can get there too, is there any secret besides methadone that you know? im trying the na route and counseling along with the suboxone so hopefully i can stay clean this time, wish me luck...i mean strength......

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Great post Wool..Thank you!!! You are right about tapering off of suboxone SLOWLY..When I was a test subject in Nov 2000, it made me sick the whole 2 weeks I was on it, so I walked off at the highest mg, I think it is 32 or 34 mg..I was fine for 2 days, then I remember it was a Sunday night I was talking on the phone and out of the blue I had full blown WD's. I tried everything to get well, vicodin, morphine tablets, and nothing..I had to go and shoot dope, and all it did was make the WD's a little easier to handle. Suboxone is also a very powerful drug, don't think it is a walk in the park...I also know what you mean about the stomach pain. When we are on methadone we get a stomach habit, and that sucks..I have never tapered off of methadone, and I don't plan too because until they find a cure for heroin addiction, methadone is the only thing that gives me a normal wonderful life. but I know many people who have gone down to 0mg, and if done slowly it isn't as horrible as some would have you think, My ex slowly detoxed (took him a year) and his clean date is Jan 1, 1997. He said he had a few weeks were he didn't sleep, and he caught a bad cold for the first time in years, but I saw him everyday, and he didn't suffer at all.....

Pat

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only a few of you seem to really know what you are talking about out there. suboxone is part opiate and part opiate blocker (so to speak) it only hits limited opiate receptors in your brain and will only hold you if you were on 30 mgs of methadone or less. the blocker part of suboxone will make you sick if you use any other opiates while on it.and mdone also has a blocking effect for other opiates its just that the dose of opiates to be blocked has to be equal to or less than the mgs of mdone you are on.
of course when you stop suboxone you will have withdrawl symptoms but if used correctly they should be mild compared to being dopesick or coming off of methadone cold turkey. now methadone and suboxone are both maintenence drugs and you need to be weened off of them. my girlfriend was super successfull getting off the mdone but me not so much, it seemed i was still using heroin while on methadone so i detoxed and went to suboxone. i detoxed for 3 days from mdone b4 they would give me any suboxone so i wouldnt feel the naxolone contradict the methadone since its a long acting opiate and tends to stay in you for a while. those of you who said you need to find the one that works for you are right, everyone is different. if you can handle going to a clinic everyday until the fed gvnmt aproves you for takehome mdone then do it esspecially if you take a high amount of opiates. if you have come down to 30mgs of mdone and want to get off quick use suboxone, i was always told by my mdone counselor that there is a safe way to get off methadone, and it is slow and diliberate. methadone has saved countless lives, and now suboxone will too if both are used proper. just remember to quit anything even cigs you have to want it and you have to work at it, somedays on the methadone i was sick to my stomach and others i was like a hundred bucks, same on the suboxone, some days will always be better than others. its all better than sticking a needle in my arm filled with whatever the gangbangers in chicago decided to cut dope with. most methadone clinics have some super understanding counselors that will help you find the right med for you so just look online and call them. the clinic i went to in downtown chicago was called C.A.P and they did both suboxone and mdone maintenence, but like the others said docs have to be specialized and can only prescribe to 100 patients, and my suboxone for 60 of em was 160 bux after insurence, 459.99 before, but medicaid will make it free to you. i hope this helps someone and people yea addiction sucks so if like me you ruined your life with heroin then just asking questions is the right step, find out which one will save yer life. and for all you who have been clean on here good for you, oh

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To Bay Recovery Center..I think you should let these people know that suboxone works on opiates, it is useless against Benzos
Pat

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T Bone, I can't take suboxone either. I am a heroin addict from an early age, I tried the suboxone and it made me very ill. I stuck with it for 2 weeks, then went on methadone maintenance and I have been clean since July 2, 2002. I have been on merthadone since Jan 2001, and I am doing great

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JohnK, I am so very sorry about your wife. I am not a doctor so I can't tell you what to do, but what I do know is suboxone is useless against benzo Withdrawl. Please see an attorney about your doctor, I believe he/she didn''t work in the best interst of your wife. If you need to talk, let me know and I will give you my E Mail. I have had many friends and loved ones die from drugs....
Pat

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i do be leave that suboxone will work but you have to want it to work!!!! If you think the suboxone will get you high and you can take it and and get off the drugs well your wrong!!! You can not have your cake and eat it too you have to really want it!! The suboxone will work and does a grate job at it too it has been 2 weeks that i have been taking it and i feel better then i have in years!! I was on oxycotin for a few years i spent ALOT of money and i had nothing to show for it but a Big Problem!! The people i thought were friends were not i still have people that want to give me oxycotin but i dont want it!!! I want to take the suboxone and get better i think in just a short few weeks i will be just taking a Half of one suboxone and down from their!! My doctor is grate and is really helping me out!!

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I have been Taking Suboxone for 2 weeks and from the bottom of my hart it DOES work!!!!! I was taking Oxycotin for an injuiery i had and was having a haed time getting off of it i was so scared or getting sick!!! I could not go to work or even get out of bed if i did not take the pain killer and i really had to do something!! A friend told me about the Suboxone and i got an Appoint.They started me on 1anHalf Suboxone a day. After just a few days i stared to take just one and now it has been 2 weeks and i am just about to start to take a 3rd of one and i am sure it will just keep going down from their!!!! The suboxone takes the sicknees away and i dont feel like i need to take a bunch of them their is No real High to Me but for some people it maybe harded to stop!!?? I really wanted off and i think Wantting it means more then people you have to put your life First and think that you will do what ever it takes to get off the pain killers!!! Suboxone has been the best thing to happen to me besides my wife and i will do everything i can to keep my wife and get off the pain killers!!! It is a bit expensive but some insureance companies cover it i am lucky mine has help me out i get 30 8mg suboxone at a time and it coast me 50$ but that is nothing if you are spending hunders of dollars a day on Oxycotin or what ever you might get from the street!!! So good luck to everyone that is trying to get off the pain killers and remember this you have to want it real bad for it to work the suboxone needs your help too work

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Pimas here, Dr prescribed Morphine for pain has me worried. 24hrs without was H___! I want to try Suboxone to withdraw from 150 to 180mg a day. 2-60mg SR and rest is 5mg tabs. Any one know if Medicare would cover? I am a 61yr old male and wonder if Suboxone sounds like it would work for me? I do not drink, but smoke some cigs.---DR--or--EXPERT--or--someone with the experence like I am facing ?? Thanks for taking time to read my post !

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I agree that suboxone can work wonders for some opiate addicts, but not for all. First off stop with the trying to scare people to not use methadone. Linda, what kind of cravings does methadone give you?? Methadone stopped all of my cravings for opiates, so please no false BS.. Suboxone is also an opiate, and yes I was on it b4 it was even being used in the US, I was on one of the first trials, and it did not work for me.And it made me high..Not like heroin, but I did catch a buzz..Methadone however gives me no high at all,Dusty, what State do you live in where you have to answer questions on your DL test?? That is against the law where I live (Ca) and Carrie, I am glad that NA works for you but methadone is not liquid handcuffs unless you can't give clean UA'sI go in once a week, and if I go on vacation there is no problem to get as many extra bottles as I need. It is so funny how I can tell where people are comimg from just with their BS. Truth is Suboxone works for people with mild opiate addictions, but for street junkies, it is a totally different story..Maybe it can work for some junkies, but it is rare, And t o the person that said a patient may have to be on methadone 4 ever..That isn't a horrible thing for most of us, for me the alternative is shooting heroin, and you can give me methadone over heroin anyday. I don't mind going to the clinic once a week, and I have never waited in a line. I go in say hi to the doctor, get my dose, my take homes, talk to my counselor once a month and that is it..1 1/2 hour a month is not liquid handcuffs. Stealing, screwing men, writing hot checks, and doing anything else for a fix, that is handcuffs.....NA that is handcuffs...But that is me. and that is what recovery is all about..What works for that certain person..Not what works for Carrie or Dusty or Linda..But this is about the OP

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My son's choice of drug was heroin. I took him to the hospital and he entered a detox withdrawal program. He is now in program for 3 weeks and on suboxone. However, he told me he still gets cravings and hates that feeling. He expressed to me because of that feeling his cravings seem more. He told me his muscles hurt and so does his back. Any suggestions on how to get his body back to feeling good and not have a weak feeling? What can he do to feel good about himself? What other programs can he do to keep himself involved? I've told him to lean on me and we talk about God all the time. Please give me some ideas what can be done to calm those cravings and get his body and mind back to feeling good again.

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I need help right away I am prescribed to but at the same time abuse, oxycodone 30 mg every day i take about 15-20 roughly 600 mg a day of opiats. I was taking it initially for a herneated disk I could not stop just because if i did i would get really sick and was not able to deal with that my business could not afford me to take off so I took it to keep me going and give me energy I promised myself i would stop once the business was sold so here I am now I was prescribed to suboxone and have attempted to take it but i had a very sick reaction all of a sudden i started getting woozy,chills were running up and down my spine i had the sweats and diarrahea it was an unbearable feeling worse than withdrawal coldturkey i had to take about 300 mg of oxycodone to partially counteract the effect of suboxone I don't ever want to feel like that again does any one have any alternate solution beside suboxone I cannot bear getting sick and feeling this way it has affected my life to the max I would like to be normal again......ANYONE PLEASE ANY ADVICE OR SOLUTION EVEN A REHAB PROGRAM

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