Suboxone/morphine Addict 300mgs A Day
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Hey I have a question and some info. I am getting ready to come off of 300 mgs of morphine. Started with vics, soon moved to 80mg of oxys, then to 100mg morphine tabs 3 times a day. I got into a suboxone clinic very expensive. I only pay 120.00 dollars for my morphine and now I have to go and pay 935.00 dollars for the first month without medication? I AM SCARED AND VERY NERVOUS TO START THIS...Any advice? And does anyone get there meds online? Figured if you can get narcotics why not the stuff to cure it? I have looked but I think it might be 2 new. Yes I will have a script for it in 8 days....HELP?

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I have been on suboxone for 3 weeks now and feel great. I take it for pain I hated that I needed percocets to function so my doctor told me about this medication. I only had to be in withdrawal for 12 hours and within 10 minutes of taking my first dose I felt great. I still have some pain but I don't have the urge to take more for relief. I guess I'm lucky from reading people's post and the expenses. I was spending over $800 a month on pain meds, I now pay 10 dollars for my monthly script. That's it - no co pay, nothing but the pharmacy cost... My insurance I guess handles the other costs... I consider this a miracle drug I feel normal and I'm not worrying on how I'm going to find more percs or where I'm going to get the money from... Good luck don't be scared...

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Dear Ryan or whoever else can help me. I have been on suboxone for about 2 weeks this morning I was in pain and I took a 15 mg morphine pill. I'm starting to sweat and I didn't really feel any effects from the pill...I took it at around 8 am ..is it safe to take a piece of my suboxen now ?? Please help me if you can***

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I've been on suboxone 5 yrs now, after being on methadone 5 yrs before that and of course any opiate (except heroin) since 16 yrs of age(Oxys and roxys being my fav) ..my advice..DO not start a sub program unless its gonna b very short and the withdrawals (I swear I'm not lying are 2 months plus on the subs!!) and that, my friend is y I'm STUCK paying 300$ a month for the dr visit...I was initially told no withdrawals..LIES! And I honestly wouldn't want my worst enemy on these things!!! I weened myself off methadone which was very rough but..I was able to do it and feel better within 2 weeks...honey, unless u know without a doubt that u have the money for sure to take this on..don't do it bc it's NOT worth the 2 month withdrawal oppsed to the normal 2-4 weeks!

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BINGO! I figured this was going to happen Taylor. Before i could reply, I saw your last message. Suboxone effectiveness increases from 0mg up to at most about 32mg. I would bet the 24mg/day you take now, would be just as effective as the 40mg you started on. Nothing was going to prevent what you went through. After that, more does nothing. It's called a "ceiling effect" that most medications of this type have. It's a strong narcotic, but only up to a certain point. That's why you felt the Morphine withdrawals "poking through". They were, and I was going to tell you that after a few weeks they wouldn't. The exact same thing happened to me after converting from 75mg/day of Methadone to Suboxone as you experienced. I started off on 24mg/day. No higher dose would have prevented it.

So I think you also did EXACTLY the right thing by reducing your dosage. I started Suboxone at 24mg/day, from 75mg/day of Methadone (For 5 years! Sub. wasn't available back then.), after a Multi-year 300+ mg/day Oxy habit. In 2000, I could get OxyContin (Chewable) out of Mexico, mailed from the US, as cheap as US pharmacies. Then EVERYONE discover MY drug! :(. So after spending a fortune, I finally went to the Methadone Clinic. A year or more before I got to 2 whole weeks of "take homes". $99/week. Suboxone is more expensive (at 24mg/day), but $99/week is $400/month, so it was maybe $600/month for the Suboxone. Ouch. I didn't have insurance.

At any dose, it won't be quite as potent as the amount of Morphine you were taking. Or the Methadone I was taking, so for a couple of weeks, while I wasn't in bad withdrawal, but I didn't feel "normal" either, and that worried me. But then I gradually did. And I now get a 3 MONTH supply, up from 2 weeks at the Methadone Clinic, where it was daily for 90 days, then every other day for another 90. I CAN'T abuse it. No amount gets me high, or makes me feel anything.

Someone said they get a nice little euphoric buzz in the morning after taking their Suboxone. I got exactly what he describes on the Methadone, but not with the Suboxone. :( LOL. Oh well, but it is still WAY worth it. A miraculous medication. And no standing in line like sheep every day at that stupid Methadone clinic! GREAT GOING TAYLOR! You did the right thing.

DON'T let this little tip, upset a great thing but: I found after a year, that I could drop from 24mg to 16mg, then after a month or so 16mg to 8mg, and I got down to 2mg pretty fast. I felt nothing while doing this. THEN it doesn't cost much. :(. I'm at 1mg/day now. I've been here for over a couple of years. Even at 1mg it blocks the effects of other narcotics great. I took 150mg of Roxies for my high school reunion, and felt almost nothing. So even at 1mg day, I can't "cheat" and fall back into my old ways. BUT ALSO note that after a year or so (or less probably), it is NOT real easy to come off of. And it doesn't really get hard until you get down around 1mg/day! Which seems really odd, but that is the way it works. From their until zero, you have to go real slow. But so what? You can get off of it, painlessly with patience. And when you're on it, you'll feel normal, AND if you slip up, and took your old Morphine dose, you won't even feel it. GREAT GOING. Good job sticking through the first couple weeks. Your body needed to adjust. Good luck Taylor.

Oh, BTW, A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: I took 150mg/day of Seroquel for depression (with Effexor). I slept like a baby. But during the day, it was like I had Alzheimer's. I couldn't remember a thing. I was dumb as a box of rocks. I lost a great job as a financial analyst, that I should have been able to do in my sleep. Afterwards, I forgot to get an insurance payment in on time and lost my health insurance (LOL I forgot. No surprise there.), and couldn't afford the Seroquel. And after a week, I felt like Einstein! After being so dumb, I had forgotten how I used to feel. I was pissed. You mentioned taking it. Even at 25mg it is sedating, and probably wouldn't have screwed you up. But to anyone reading this, BEWARE OF SEROQUEL! It's prescribed like candy too.

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I am in California visiting my elderly aunt and to my dismay, I was told that this state will not fill Fentanyl patch perscriptions from my home state. I am a recovering Ovarian cancer patient and need them for myalgia and arthritis from the 18 months of chemotherapy. I tried going cold turkey and the pain is so bad that I can't get out of bed, my legs are restless and my stomach hurts and am nauseated and can't eat. This has ruined my vacation. The ER won't write me one either! Any sugestions? I have the hard script with me.

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I have been on Suboxone for over two years due to addiction to oxycontin (320mgs daily). I have to say it has been a great relief and has allowed me to overcome my need for oxycontin, however, I can't stress enough the need for therapy and communication with other individuals on the medication. It is definitely not a magic pill, but it is the only remedy that I have found to be effective. One important thing to remember is, Suboxone is an opiate derivitive also, so it has potential for abuse. Thankfully, it seems to have a ceiling of effectiveness, so it tends not to be abused, because there would be no benefit. My concern is I don't know when I will be able to come off of the medication, and how intense the withdrawal will be, because there is definitely withdrawal with Suboxone as well as any other opiate, just much less intense, supposedly. That remains to be seen. If anybody has any questions or concerns about the medication, please do not hesitate to e-mail me. I'm not a physician, but I do have 2 years experience with the medication. If you don't e-mail me just know that if you are in the throws of opiate addiction, Suboxone can only help the situation, you have nothing to lose, however, I would think considerably about Suboxone therapy if my opiate addiction was not severe or long-term. Please feel free to e-mail me.

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Hey Taylor, as far as buying on-line, man you just gotta take the time on every search engine and really look. Be specific in what you are looking for. Ask.com is a good search engine. Buy the way i'm currently on Suboxone 12 mg and wondering how long that crap stays in your system?

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You need to find a new Doctor. Mine is charging me $250 a month plus Medicine. My insurance covers the medicine. Thank goodness. I was in withdrawl for 2 days and he put me on it right away. I almost instantly felt better. It's been about a week and a half. Thank God for Suboxone!

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face it man, you never told us if you got hooked due to pain or just needed a buzz, if it was for pain ask dr. to try aviniza time realease capsules an grad. come down till you re comfortable, an you have to bear a little pain or we won t know the messages our bodies are sending us, if you were on the medication for a buzz, i hope dr cuts you off, its dopeheads that make it difficult for real pain management patients to get realief

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I have been on oxys on and off for 3 years. Lately I have been snorting anywhere from 4-8 OC 80's a day, plus about 5-6 OC 40's. I was on the Suboxone last year. I even still have the bottle with about 40 left in it. I can stop snorting Oxys. Its like I love them. I want to marry one. Mr. and Mrs. Oxy. She has always been there for me. When shes not I do get cranky...but when she comes back boy do I feel good! Shes always faithful...

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hey taylor i read all the messages u have left everyone and the price u paid to start the suboxon. I live in lincoln park mich and i started the suboxon yesterday and the doctor visit was 55 dollars no joke my doctors name is dr marsh and i pay cash for the pills its like 7 dollars a pill. I just shoped around and found him. well if u need a number just reply back and i hope u all feel better cause the withdrawls r HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hey just wanted to let everyone know that I have been on suboxone for almost 2 weeks and it hs been amazing...I feel like my old self again....I also brought my best friend on board she was also addicted to pain meds...She was ready for the transaction and was soooo hard to convience of its miraculous outcome....She went on the suboxone on monday and had to call her dealers and tell them to go to HE!! if you know what I mean...She too is doing very well. She has 2 daughters and is now able to be the mom she always wantd to be....To be able to bring your best friend that kind of gift brings me joy I cannot express....I felt very anxious and the sweats were only around for about 9 days then booom gone!!! I feel great and alive and I care about life for the first time in years!!! The fog has been lifted! Yes Ryan the seroquel does work but I have brought it down to only 25mg from the 200mg...And last few nights took nothing and slept great! I remember the last time I tried to do this and after 12 days of cold turkey I was calling for more pills....not this time the cravings are gone and I feel GREAT!!! In have gotten my suboxone down to 3 8mg/2mg a day and sometimes forget to take them for many hours! That tells me I am doing great! Yes it was expensive but since I brought a buddy on board the doctor has given me some discounts and tried to work with me as much as she can...Got the pills for 488.00 for 90 instead of 588.00 so it is a little beter....Who cares was about to pay 9,000.00 for Rapid Detox glad I went this route....Everyone thanks for your support...Ryan especially...Anyone has any questions let me know! Thanks ALL

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Hey Taylor, I havent heard from you and was just wondering how the suboxone treatment was going? is it working well for you? I hope it is it's a life saver for me. Did your sweats and other symptoms stop yet? I'm a little past 1 month on subs and theyre still going strong. i just finished up my morning dose so im just waiting for it to kick in, seems like it takes forever nowadays lol but its well worth it. Well I hope to hear from you I'm going to make something to eat, these things make me really hungry.

-Ryan

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as far as methadone take home I now get to take home 27 doses every month. I only go once a month for my dose there, counseling and my take homes. It is called step 28. I had to EARN it by testing clean randomly and working my way up thru there steps. first step is one take home after testing clean for 3 months ea. time I earned a bottle etc.... It was not ez and took me 7 yrs to test clean once for my 1st holiday take home.I was proud too. scared of that..7 yrs. good grief. Once I got rid of all my acquaintences and truly made the decision, thru away all the paraphenalia, and yes, I picked the phone up once or twice to call the needle exchange to deliver a case but never dialed it. I then just started getting cleaner longer and longer. I also did many rehabs, every one in san diego in fact and even managed to get a 19 month totally clean period, working the steps, sponsor, daily meetings and volunteering at NA central, but I was so focused on the time aspect... instead of being a human being I was a human doing and eventually relapsed when I had a pick line in my arm. I ended up w/numerous life threatening illnesses such as hiv'/aids, hep b and c etc. I have had the hiv since 1985 and God only knows why I am still so well re: that and not on ANY meds. Have no viral load, never have and always over 800 T cells.(normal) and it is undetectable. many doctors dont believe i have it and make me go thru retesting etc and want to study why I am such a long term survivor on no meds only they need alot of blood and i have zero vein access and its too hard for me to go thru that part. Nevre will i pick line again cause those and central lines r my big M.O. so I know my what not to do's for real! But I did mess up the liver and my heart w/3 bouts of endocarditis etc. so I decided as boring as my life may be, I still am blessed beyond anything. I give thanks for a shower, my tiny little apt., my ssdi check, food, my computer etc. blessing known and unrecognized. Most of all I have the love of my family back and a few REAL friends. When I get down to 20 mg of the methadone I too will do the suboxone tx (thats the clinics requirement) and hopefully be off of it. I treat the juice like it is my insulin and realize I may have to be on it forever and I am ok w/that esp. since I never ever have used illegal drugs again since getting my take homes and know that I can totally appreciate just having to go to the clinic once a month instead of daily. Plus I am blessed that medi-cal covers the 300 a month fee. So I know all of u who may be struggling can do it. I found that a shot of nyquil and sometimes one benedryl would help me sleep cause I too had major problems sleeping. not anymore really. I did all the psych meds for sleep, decades ago and the ONLY one that worked for me then was thorazine and I did not ever shuffle BUT I went from 25mg to 800 over a 2 yr period. Thats enough to make an elephant sleep but I took it at night went to bed and it seemed like I just closed my eyes and it was 6 am and time to get up. as far as the valium detox and xanax that is another story. when I worked in a detox house the medication we had prescribed for those patients was clonodine for blood pressure and just slow weaning off valium. we also gave those 2 meds to the heroin addicts too but now even that rehab I graduated from and staffed uses suboxone now too. It really does work miracles ...Ive known people who used methadone for 25 yrs and got off of it via suboxone and they have a new life too. Hang tough and for the person who has no meetings to go to at times available, there probably r on line self help centers, u can always call aa or na central and get a 12 step call, which is someone with atleast a few yrs or more clean and who has worked all 12 steps etc. they will contact u back immed. and or meet w/u at a place of choice...like your home, coffee shop etc. Or just talk w/you on the phone. But this blog is also like a little help center too. journaling helps take the power out of bad thoughts by physically putting it on paper it removes the power out of the craving or whatever is going on. As far as so called pals, I got caller ID, NEVER answer a knock on my door unless I know who is coming by or i call out if it is like mailman time or ups time so I dont trip on that anymore. But even my old neighbor was still shooting dope and I might be outside chatting and his dealer would pull up to deliver and they would walk away and I knew I could at any time say Hey me too... but its so weird, I finally know that I know I am done. And so glad about it. I never once went to his door and said I need or want to get some. If anything he came to me for juice if he was sick. go figure...... anyway g'night all...bible study is on the radio and I like to listen to this one pastor who is hilarious and I love to laugh. Hang tough and God bless u all.

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hey taylor! im glad to hear from you and youre doing a little better. let me tell you though omg the sweats were really terrible at first but they went away in a few days for me. they get real real bad at night and i found myself waking up about every hour because of it. a few days might sound like a really long time but it should go by really quick. yea once the w/d's are over you should sleep pretty well if youre anything like me. i usually lay in bed and watch tv but once i lay my head down my eyes start closing involuntarily and ive found myself waking up a few hours later with the tv still on which is unusual for me. 5 a day is a pretty steep dose but it doesnt matter as long as you feel ok. wow your price dropped substantially. thats really not a bad deal and im assuming you dont have health insurance, i cant remember if you said you did or not. does the seroquel work for you? ive taken it before and all it did was make me feel like i didnt want to move, not really tired at all. those trials sound really cool, i wish my doc would of signed me up the extra 50 bucks would of been nice lol. well hey i gotta go i hope you feel better and if you got any questions feel free to ask.

-Ryan

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Thanks for posting, Taylor, please keep popping back to let us know how you are doing.

Anyone else who has any advice or experience, please feel free to post as well!

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Ryan and othersI know you are probably going crazy to know if I am ok? Well I promise to tell you all about it very soon. I am ok but still having problems with the withdrawls peaking through the suboxone at times i feel very anxious and my heart beats kinda fast. My brain is adjusting so it hard for me to think and talk just yet. Just wanted to let you know that it is working and I will be letting you know how it is going when I feel a little better....When I first went into the clinic I was in withdrawal it took me 4 8mg/2mgs to really feel normal....I have been having to take up to 5 a day and can;t make it threw the night without my sleeping pill that was just given to me seroquel. I am going to be careful and try not to take the sleeping meds after the withdrawls take a back seat....I am looking foward to a day of know sweating though...that is very annoying...I found a discount card and I am going to be getting my meds for 488.00 for 90 8mg/2mg orange tabs....It was 588.00 saved a hundred on some free card from walmart..I know still high but man I was going to die on the morphine....I signed up to get on the call list where they call you and pay you for your story on your suboxone trial...they just called last night and man that chick nows more about me then most of my fri3nds now...but she is sending me a check for like 50.00 3every time I chat with her...anyways wrot3 more than I should kind of feel icky....gotta go kick back...look foward to next time, thanks Ryan....hope others are reading this too....thanks

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Hey Eileen, I'm glad to hear the methadone works for you and the suboxone works for your friend, it works great for me too. You are correct in the 2 different names, suboxone which also contains naloxone and subutex which just contains buprenorphine. i also didnt wait the 72 hours, i was a little over 24 hours into withdrawal and the subs worked great. heres the thing with my inurance and my doc. i have an awesome insurance policy but my doctors office wouldnt even try to see if my insurance would pay for it. they pretty much said for substance abuse help is cash only. it didnt make sense to me but luckily i do have a decent job and could afford the 300 dollars for the first visit and 150 every other week after. my insurance does cover the medication cost however which lets me pay 10 bucks a script. i think its a pretty good deal seeing as how i was dropping over 400 a week on oxys. the thing that sucks for me is i work afternoons 3-11 full time and there are no morning aa/na meetings in my small town. my solution to this is a fairly simple one. i cut off all ties with my addict friends and told them i was quitting pills. i pretty much told them it was the end of our friendship and to not call me. i only had a few i had to tell this too and one in particular was not happy because id always give him a bump. what a good friend right? it took a while but i realized he was using me to get high. yea im a little naive when it comes to friends. im choosing family over anyone else now so its pretty much up to my willpower to stay away. i know i can do it. ive gone a month already with no contact to or from my old addict acquaintances. it gets easier and easier every day. anyways im glad suboxone is working this well for my cravings. although i may be a recovered addict the rest of my life i refuse to relapse and become an abuser again. hey Pam, your doc is right, suboxone probably isnt going to help a benzo addiction. it would probably just make you sick as a dog as this is pretty potent stuff meant for pain management and opiate addicts. i went from shooting/snorting 160-240 milligrams oxy codone daily to 24 milligrams suboxone daily and it works like a charm for my withdrawals and cravings. i do love reading all of your testimonials, it really helps me out also. you guy give me hope and i hope to hear from all of you some more.

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Dont fear the suboxone it does work amazingly well. U may be able to find it cheaper at a methadone clinic that carries it. I am down to 62 mg of methadone after 127 mg for years and IV drugs for 25 yrs and my friend did the suboxone at a tx hospital as she had insurance. They also said no meds or anything for 72 hrs prior, kind of like antibuse, cause they say u will go into w/drawals right away blah blah, but she didn't wait the 72 hrs. and was just fine. The worst thing to do to a dope fiend is tell them they will be sick for days b4 they can get the medicine for help. Once a fiend says HELP, they need it immediately or usually change their minds and/or can't wait it out. She waited 24 hrs and went in and on the meds. There r 2 similar types of drugs now suboxone and I'm not sure if it is subutex as the other name or if that is also suboxone. One is doneas a shot and pill and the other is just a pill. also one is for about 1 week or 2 and the other is a bit longer tx ...if I remember right. However, if there r methadone clinics in your area that do the suboxone tx AND MANY DO NOW, as vicodan and all these other pills r now the most abused drugs in the usa, more clinics are doing more and different protocols and many take medi-(cal) in california or some states its called medicaid..that covers methadone Tx. In cali which normally people w/out insurance of any kind pay $300 a month for the methadone juice. So if u have the state medical help or any other health insurance u may be covered. Also some addictionologist offices also have home detox offers and the suboxone or subutex, where u go to their office daily. again I dont know that price but insurance will help..either state or employee and it is confidential if u r worried re: your employee under Americans w/disabilities Act as addiction is declared a disability so the job, by law, cannot ask you what is this for? (the insurance claim) for the medicine and many doctors will write it up so that it will be ambiguious to a laymen at a company. Good Luck, God bless and hang in there...u can do it! If u do have to shell out alot of cash, add up what u have already been spending over the years for whatever u had been using and do the math. It might hurt like heck money wise now, but in the long range u will catch up financially and then get ahead. PLUS u wont be held prisoner to an addiction anymore. U MUST GET COUNSELING with it. even if it is just NA or AA...do something also to help the disease part. Addiction is a disease tha tells us we dont have a disease. Even if the meds were prescribed for maybe pain after an accident etc...once the invisible line into addiction (sick w/out the drug) is crossed our thinking is then also broken so counseling I feel is necessary. Hope I helped any one out there trying to get help.

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Well went to doctor and he said that suboxone could not be used for xanax withdrawal because I wasn't on painkillers. Fill like I've been on a rollercoaster ride since 1989!!!!! I've been on Cymbalta for the past 3 years and he is including Zopomax with the Cymbalta to hlep withdrawals; hope it works

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