Suboxone Abuse (Page 9) (Top voted first)

My son has been on suboxone for over 1 year now. He was a herion addict for over 12 years. Been clean off and on during that time. I have seen a personality change in him which is almost intolerable. It is like he is fine one minute and then goes off the wall the next. Has anyone who has been on suboxon or knows someone who has been seen a personality change.

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Apparently you have never had a problem with addiction! If you don't know DON'T comment! Fool!

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I am not a fool and you have NO idea if I have had a problem with addiction. Oh hey and I am also allowed to comment.

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Go ahead and reply but I would bet my life on it that your NOT an addict or anyone who has ever struggled with addiction! It is a tough road and not everyone walked out to the local dealer and purchased drugs, some like me had 4 back surgeries and the addiction took over my life. It wasn't intentional! I blame no one but myself but people who post things saying to just stop don't realize that is not an option. So if you want to post I suggest you try to understand the disease first!

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I was addicted to 80mg Oxy's, Morphine patches, Norco's, whatever I could get my hands on, for over three years. I was injecting about $100 worth of Heroin a day when I decided id had enough. I used Suboxone for the first three days and I had a sneeking suspicion I was only prolonging the inevitable, so I quit using them. The withdrawls were extremely intense, but I was determined and pulled thru it. 14 days from my last use, I finally felt somewhat normal again. My point is YOU PLAY, YOU PAY! Im sick of people crying that they cant handle the withdrawls! You won't die from withdrawls! Everyones always looking for a quick fix. Like weight loss pills, if youve been fatting off for years a pill isnt going to magically melt off the pounds. If youve been abusing drugs for years a pill wont magically make it so you never have to suffer withdrawls. Ive been drug free for over 3 years now. Never went to rehab or a meeting, and ive never relapsed. Find your inner strength!

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That's great that you found as you put it "The inner strength" to get clean and I'm truly happy for you. You should keep in mind though that your habit wasn't exactly extreme and you were only an addict for 3 years. I was an addict for 35 years....shot dope at 15 and never stopped. I was taking 450mg of methadone daily at the end of my addiction and I can tell you this. I know for a fact the SUBOXONE saved my life and there is no doubt in my mind I'd be dead had it not been available when I finally decided I'd had enough. So when you give advice try to keep in mind that everybody is different. Different chemistry and different circumstances. I don't plan on being a lifer on suboxone but I know this. NOTHING is worse than a methadone kick....except benzos and you're lucky you got out of the game before you ever had to experience either. Good luck and stay clean.

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Is your son talking to a professional? Being an addict for 12 years, your son has other issues other than addiction. For those 12 years your on DID NOT GROW on an emotional level. Feelings/emotions that are "normal" for non addicts are NOT for him. They have been numbed for 12 years and haven't been used. Now, he is "feeling" things that he hasn't in 12 years and doesn't know how to deal with it. I can only speak for myself. I was an addict for 35 years and after getting clean I had many issues to deal with. Feelings that are "normal" for non-addicts on a day to day basis were brand new to me and I needed help learning how to LIVE!! That was the hardest part. I still deal with it after 5 years clean. I took my first shot of heroin at 15 years old and didn't stop until I was 49. All cases are different....as are people but I can tell you this. Emotionally an active addict DOES NOT deal with emotions the way a non-addict does. There is a lot more to getting clean than just quitting the drugs. Trust me on that.

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Did you read my reply to your post??

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Well I have been researching plenty about addiction and ways to get off it. It is very hard to understand and everyone is different. I myself do feel a bit of a hypocrite as I sit and read these posts and after what I said. ( quit without depending on anything else ) . That being said , I am currently taking Champix for quitting smoking. So I do apologize for my comment. Cause I know I can't just quit...I have tried.
I am researching suboxone because my daughter is a heroin addict. I went with her and we got her started on this treatment. Unfortunately, I just found out she is selling them for Heroin. This is a very difficult situation to deal with. I watch my daughter , and it is so upsetting to see what she has done to herself. She still does not admit she needs help ( mom , I am not addicted I just need to use so I don't get sick ) . It is very hard watching what she is doing to herself and her family. We have somewhere for her to go to get help lined up , she refuses and help and gets furious when we even suggests she needs the help. She does not inject she smokes and snorts. She is also using cocaine. We just moved her in with her sister, but she can not stay there. We did it because she started the suboxone . But we need to get her out of the house as she has become very abusive. She is 29 years old and has lost everything. It is a struggle for everyone. I am scared if she takes methadone or suboxone she will never be free from drugs.
Once again I apologize for my thoughts.

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i have been sitting here reading and reading and smiling & either agreeing or disagreeing and finally friendofgrandma i feel total relief to have read your post, because your post is my post, too...i can't and won't deny it - i tried tapering down and after starting at 20 mgs october 2010 i am at 10 mgs....i was at 8 mgs for a few months but all in my head or not, i was thinking about full opiates more & more frequently, and just adding another 2 mgs took the thoughts away, and that was over 6 months ago and i have stayed at 10 mgs since then...i am lucky to have my insurance cover my prescription i pay my $10 brand name copay, but i do pay the doctor every month, he won't take my insurance...but i do work full time, it's just me myself and i in this life, and working 50 hours a week sucks but it's afforded me a decent life and when i do my budget that monthly doctor visit gets included right along with the electric bill, rent, cable, car insurance and groceries, because without the suboxen, i am only TOO sure within a matter of a year or less, the other bills will not be getting paid and eventually i will lose my home because the drugs will take everything from me, so it's the lesser of the evils, and though i have never said i am a lifer, i can say i am on it indefinitely and am ok with it most days, so i try to stay away from the negative remarks, they sting a little because i'm a big girl, 42 years old, on february 24 i will be sober off of alcohol 7 years, and i drank every day for over 20 years, the pills were harder for me, without suboxen, even if i were clean, i would be thinking about the pills, and no crappy antidepressant was ever able to get that thought out of my head...i know the people who say will power and tough it out with the withdrawals are completely correct, but it's just not feasible for me at this time in my life...i have no close confidantes, my employer of 4 years does not know this about me, and i would never be able to work 9 hours a day, 5 days a week, if i am going through the hell that would become my life as a taperer....the couple times i had days where i took just one pill were days of anxiety & dread...i know u have to do it slow slow slow little by little, but it will smack u in the a** when that half life catches up, and that's when i'd end up losing my job, plus it's just me, and even on good days, i don't get it all done. i am ok with taking the suboxen and if that makes me a half asser who couldn't go all the way, so be it, i'll take this any day over the life i had september 2010 - wasn't even getting high anymore, pissing all my money away to maintain, and that is as sad as it gets for me...i agree with the lady who referred to suboxen as an antidepressant that actually works...for the most part, i feel the same exact way...i just feel normal, and that's about the best i can hope for!

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All I know is my story of addiction. My first round of addiction was with food, I was a Bulimic/Anorexic for 11 years. After a lot of work and many relapses, by the grace of God I over came this. I felt that I was in a good place in life-going back to school, single parent-happy. Then I met an abusive man who slowly creep his way into my life. I never grew up in an abusive household, so I knew it was wrong and strange his outbursts, but he was so good at explaining it away and there it began. The severity and frequency were far between at first, but the stress of it started to erode my self-worth. I started getting sick and my body started failing me, with an ACL repair and then HIP replacement, then a neck fusion, then the other hip started going. Basically I was on/off pain killers for a long time and started noticing that they numbed the emotional pain as well. As the years went on and a failed attempt at leaving him, my addiction grew. It was when I went to a pain management Dr. when things took on a new life. The Dr. put me on Fentenal a person who is use to taking Hydrocodone on Fentenal. I became instantly addicted and attempted to get off it myself and almost ended up in the Hospital. At this time, my back was giving me problems so sever I couldn't walk at times. Several back procedures later and getting off Opana-not fun, I ended up on Suboxone. The Dr. raved about it and said, "you could be on this for a long time, if you wanted". By this time, I was so messed up emotionally, the abuse was progressing, my children were suffering-the more I tried to help them, the more sever the attacks on me became. I started shop lifting because he controlled all the money and asking him for grocery money was a humbling experience..I isolated and pushed everyone I loved away and no one believed me about my home situation. I felt abandoned and hopeless. I became suicidal and then I had a God moment. I started researching Suboxone and found out that it is one of the worst drugs out there to be on long term. Further it is very very difficult to get off of and for me being 54, it was pure hell. But I had a belief that life is more than looking forward to taking that strip and feeling somewhat "normal", but never too good. I feel for everyone that has been on Suboxone for any length of time, it compromises your entire mind and body. And I know, that when you are ready, if I can do it, anyone can do it. For some, it just might be the best way. For me, I found myself drowning emotionally and spiritually. I am 106 day clean and still have some fatigue, but I am feeling now and I actually felt a real scene of joy the other day! I pray for each and everyone of you to find your right path..no judgements here, everyone has a right to their own life.

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What is your mom's age? If she is in 40-50's she may, on top of her addictions, be going through menopause. I think moms should be open with their husband and children about any meds they are on - dosage, timing of day to take, etc. It's helpful all around if there is open-eyed ingestion of meds in a household, even if it is an illegal substance.

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Zlovergrl, r u still around. Im on day 4 of the subs and feel exactly as u do. Best I've felt in years, no depression etc. What am I to look forward to down the road. My desire is quite strong. Taking subs with an intense outpatient program. As god is my witness I told the leader today im afraid this seems to easy. Thx for the tips

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Danielle,

I just posted in response to the girl regarding better than any anti-depressants. As stated I felt better than I had in years. I've been on subs for 4the days now and I am truly shocked at the lack of cravings. I've gone cold turkey many many times with some success however the lethargy & depression always brought me back. The ones that run this particular program assure me the tapering will be minimal as their words a "hickup" the paid the of withdrawal isn't so much my concern but rather the lack of energy and the depression always scare me. Any advice??

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Iv benn on subs for 3 yrs 32mg a day iv noticed a lot of changes in myself mood and depressed im now on them for pain mangment I have seen many addicts use subs only when they dont have there drugs so wat they do is there still addicted to that drug and when they dont haveit they use subs so they dont have to wwithdraw from there drugs so there changing one high for another its like a crutch when ur leg is good u walk on it but if u go bad u will use ur crutch to help u walk so u dnt have to sit down u need to tell his dr wat is going on so he can help him and stop this from happening he willcstill give him the subs but just watch him carefully maby even only give him 2 or 3 at a time

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I know you are struggling with pain issues, but if you talk to your doctor about the pain, he may be able to prescribe something non-narcotic that will treat the pain in a different way together with the suboxone. Some antidepressants, like cymbalta, treat depression, and also help with pain, too. Try sticking with the suboxone, though, because its easier than any other opiate to taper off, and also, because it stays in your body longer, you won't have the sudden return of pain, which causes some people to take stronger opiates. Plus, your getting a really expensive medication for free! Good luck to you, hang in there!!

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honestly it sounds to me that he isn't trying to quit drugs and only uses the sub to curb withdrawal until his next dope use in my opinion suboxone will not work for u unless u actually want to stop using fo rme 5 years of pill addiction to the point of stealing robbing whatever I had to do to get my pills and at that time I was in the age range from 17 to 22 and I used sub through those points when I couldn't find my drug of choice I have been on suboxone myself since I was 22 and it has worked wonderfully for me this is coming from a guy who hit rock bottom fast sold my car lost my job and maxed out so many credit cards and personal loans that I had to file for bankruptcy my advice would be take him out of state somewhere he cannot obtain the drugs for a little while and he will be forced to only use sub which may help him keep using sub and and stay off the dope

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Yorkshire...I am still around but i'vebeen off Suboxone since Feb 19. The doc tapered me down to 1mg per day and I ran out and just never refilled. The withdraw wasn't that bad BUT it's been, what, 5 months and I am depressed now and have been for the last two months. I am thinking about getting on an antidepressant. The good news is that I think it's just me and my head...I don't think the depression is due to any kind of withdraw....it's my own natural state. The other good news is that I still have absolutely no cravings for painkillers of the Norco kind. Good luck to you!

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Ricky, thanks for your excellent message - I take suboxone as well, coming up on 3 years, and while it's not always been easy, even the crappiest day on suboxone is 10X better than a "good" high day on pills/coke/meth/booze. I especially appreciate and relate to what you said about our emotional age after we put down the drug and/or drug...NO, we sure as hell do not automatically turn into normal people our age....AND WOULD WE WANT TO?? Lol, probably not, I am thinking ; ) Most days I feel like a responsible adult, but other weeks/days, I feel like this immature little imposter who is 42 going on 22 and I don't know how I've made it this far. I also have no immediate plans to go off of suboxone though I am taking less now then when I started...my doctor has been very open minded about this and hasn't bugged me to take less.

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Hey Danni, Glad to hear your are learning to deal with your "New Life"!! Yes...I am 53 and feel emotionally like a 25 year old. But hey, like you said...that's not a bad thing!! At least not for me. So if something good comes out of the years I literally lived in hell then that is fine with me!! I live in Los Angeles and can really enjoy this great city and all it has to offer. As you said, my worst day today is better than my best day back when I was using. I am happily married and sharing a productive life today with the woman of my dreams, my wife Teresa. Good luck and don't worry about getting off the suboxone. When it is time you will know. Just like you knew it was time to get clean. But thank God for suboxone or I would definitely not be sharing with you today. All my old friends are dead and I no doubt would be too if not for this treatment!! Good luck in your future and God bless!!! You deserve to be happy.....and now you can be. With piece of mind!!

All The Best,
Ricky P.

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