Suboxone Abuse (Page 10)

My son has been on suboxone for over 1 year now. He was a herion addict for over 12 years. Been clean off and on during that time. I have seen a personality change in him which is almost intolerable. It is like he is fine one minute and then goes off the wall the next. Has anyone who has been on suboxon or knows someone who has been seen a personality change.

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honestly it sounds to me that he isn't trying to quit drugs and only uses the sub to curb withdrawal until his next dope use in my opinion suboxone will not work for u unless u actually want to stop using fo rme 5 years of pill addiction to the point of stealing robbing whatever I had to do to get my pills and at that time I was in the age range from 17 to 22 and I used sub through those points when I couldn't find my drug of choice I have been on suboxone myself since I was 22 and it has worked wonderfully for me this is coming from a guy who hit rock bottom fast sold my car lost my job and maxed out so many credit cards and personal loans that I had to file for bankruptcy my advice would be take him out of state somewhere he cannot obtain the drugs for a little while and he will be forced to only use sub which may help him keep using sub and and stay off the dope

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Well, I am going to post an update here. I started methadone maintenance on 4/23/13. The Suboxone was bad for me. The doctor would not, could not, prescribe me anything except for clonidine and ativan for the withdrawals. I stopped taking the subs on a Thursday but had to wait until Tuesday to get the methadone. I was very upset that I had to get dopesick until I could make it to the clinic. I was going to score some H but did not want to basically steal my mom's car and money and s***.

Anyway, almost 3 months into the methadone, I am starting to get nauseous, and my feet are swelling up again. It stopped for like 2 months. So, why would this be happening?

Is is an opiate thing? Well, heroin, Vicodin, OxyContin, and morphine never have done this to me. I have taken illicit opiates for many months, sometimes years, at a time. But, now, after 2 months on Suboxone (buprenorphine), my feet swell up with edema. Then, I get on methadone, everything is fine, until after 2 months or so, now the edema is returning, and I am starting to get more nauseous, just like when I was on Suboxone.

The people at my clinic have no idea what is going on. The doctors did not know. I am going to make an appointment, and try to get to the bottom of this. Does anyone else reading here have experience with these symptoms? I feel fine, except, from time to time I wake up in the morning EXTREMELY nauseous with that feeling in my throat like I'm gonna hurl. And, my feet, especially my left one, is swelling up, I think it is edema, which means, when I press down on the swollen area of my foot, I can leave an indentation, like putty. It is real f***ing weird and I am not liking this at all. I am really thinking about just getting off the 'done, and fending for myself again. That means, back to alcoholic city, using speed, using dope probably until I get another habit, jesus, is there no end to this?

I went through chemotherapy for testicular cancer about 9 years ago, I always think maybe the side effects from that are lingering on, on and on.

Let me know, someone, if you have had a similar experience.

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Yorkshire...I am still around but i'vebeen off Suboxone since Feb 19. The doc tapered me down to 1mg per day and I ran out and just never refilled. The withdraw wasn't that bad BUT it's been, what, 5 months and I am depressed now and have been for the last two months. I am thinking about getting on an antidepressant. The good news is that I think it's just me and my head...I don't think the depression is due to any kind of withdraw....it's my own natural state. The other good news is that I still have absolutely no cravings for painkillers of the Norco kind. Good luck to you!

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Hello. I was an addict for most of my life. 35+ years. I tried heroin when I was 16 and thought I had found the secret to life. I remember that day like it happened last week. I hate to speak for your son but I CAN speak for me. When I finally had enough I was taking 400mg of methadone daily. That finally became impossible to maintain and I was either going to stop or kill myself. And I KNEW this. For me I knew the first time I took suboxone it was the answer for me. It worked and I DIDN'T crave getting high. The thing I WASN'T prepared for was LIFE!! After living most of my adult life high I had never dealt with FEELINGS. Emotions. My emotions were stunted at 16 and I was 49. It was something I never thought about having to deal with. I had to LEARN how to live with the feelings and emotions that non-addicts naturally "grow into". It wasn't easy to say the least. Please just realize that there is much more to the picture for long term addicts than to just stop getting high. Your son is NATURALLY going to have personality changes as he adjusts to these feelings he's never dealt with. He may have THOUGHT he was all along. I did. But I really never did. I've been on Suboxone for almost 4 years and have stayed "clean". I would certainly have been dead without suboxone. To this day I continue to work on my "life skills" that I never "grew into". It is a much overlooked issue. You don't just stop getting high after years of numbing your emotions and expect life to be as that of a non-addict of the same age. It doesn't work that way. I would suggest your son talk with a professional and learn how to deal with these feelings that are BRAND NEW to him. I wish you and your son luck. Life is a different animal today and I ENJOY just being alive. Many people I ran with were not as blessed as I have been and are dead now. I did a lot of talking and was honest with my doctor. It was just as important to my recovery as the suboxone was in order for me to come to terms with all the work I had to do.

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Ricky, thanks for your excellent message - I take suboxone as well, coming up on 3 years, and while it's not always been easy, even the crappiest day on suboxone is 10X better than a "good" high day on pills/coke/meth/booze. I especially appreciate and relate to what you said about our emotional age after we put down the drug and/or drug...NO, we sure as hell do not automatically turn into normal people our age....AND WOULD WE WANT TO?? Lol, probably not, I am thinking ; ) Most days I feel like a responsible adult, but other weeks/days, I feel like this immature little imposter who is 42 going on 22 and I don't know how I've made it this far. I also have no immediate plans to go off of suboxone though I am taking less now then when I started...my doctor has been very open minded about this and hasn't bugged me to take less.

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Hey Danni, Glad to hear your are learning to deal with your "New Life"!! Yes...I am 53 and feel emotionally like a 25 year old. But hey, like you said...that's not a bad thing!! At least not for me. So if something good comes out of the years I literally lived in hell then that is fine with me!! I live in Los Angeles and can really enjoy this great city and all it has to offer. As you said, my worst day today is better than my best day back when I was using. I am happily married and sharing a productive life today with the woman of my dreams, my wife Teresa. Good luck and don't worry about getting off the suboxone. When it is time you will know. Just like you knew it was time to get clean. But thank God for suboxone or I would definitely not be sharing with you today. All my old friends are dead and I no doubt would be too if not for this treatment!! Good luck in your future and God bless!!! You deserve to be happy.....and now you can be. With piece of mind!!

All The Best,
Ricky P.

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Suboxone withdrawal may take a certain length of time before it goes away compared to the effects of regular opiates

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I am in the exact same boat as you. But my boyfriend abuses his and then comes to me when he is out. His whole script for the month gone in 4/5 days. His attitude is horrible. I am weaning off them, just scares me I work around narcotics. I know I am addicted to subs , just want to be clean 100%

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Totally agree...Debbie you shouldn't judge someone on Suboxone...This drug has saved a lot of addicts form death and the rollercoaster ride of pain meds...I am currently on suboxone and it has helped me off the ride with opiates..i do not feel high off suboxone...it is a great tool to free your mind from the cravings and obsession to use opiates..

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COULDNT AGREE MORE...!!!!!!

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I just saw your post and had to reply. I suffered great financial loss because of my addiction. But unlike you, I was unable to work as hard as you, I was not mentally strong enough. I dont think you give yourself enough credit for your perseverence. Good luck and admire your strength.

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I'm sorry but ur not suppose to be do any drugs while on suboxone at all! I've been on it for almost 2 yrs now and not once have I touched anything else! So the fact that he is taking suboxone in pm and H in am is not right at all! He needs to find a doc who can give suboxone and then he will go every month and get a refill! But will be on suboxone only! My brother is a recovering H addict! He has been on it since I was little and I got him in to my suboxone doctor and he is doing so good. Couldn't believe how awesome he is doing! He actually tried to quit by himself cuz he had court for selling H and they gave him 7 yrs if he messes up at all! So after a month or so of him trying to be sober and it not working I got him in to my doc and he hasn't even touched H since then is been about a year now! So I would do some research and find a doc and get him in! We travel 5 hour to and from out dr once a month! So it can be a pain but it's worth it! Good luck!! Hope it all works out!!

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Great post!! Obviously you "get" what I was saying. I didn't know what living was and at the end of my 35+ year run I was looking for places in the house to tie the noose. I'm still "clean" today except for my suboxone dose and I have no plans on getting off of it. I have so many terrible memories of my life that I could easily write a few books. Today I can enjoy the great things in life I always took for granted. I live in L.A. and there are so many awesome things in this city to enjoy. I remember saying that I couldn't IMAGINE life without narcotics. When my doctor switched me from 240 5mg Oxycodones (I was doing 50 at a time and 20 more 3 hours later) to Methadone I thought my ship had arrived and I was set up for life. Man ......was I WRONG!!! The Methadone (like everything else) just increased until I was doing 10 40mg wafers at once. I reached a point where I couldn't keep up and my "hustle" was GONE!! After 35+ years I FINALLY had come to my crossroad. And it was die or quit. I went 23 days withdrawing from the Methadone before I was introduced to Suboxone. It LITERALLY saved my life. I knew it was the answer for me 30 minutes after my first dose. I just didn't realize all the "other" things I would have to deal with.

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On the other hand, maybe it buys the addict a year... or two to get himself/herself together. Find a job. Find an apartment.... with a nice TV and laptop in the bedroom so when he/she is a little more stable, the attempt at finally getting off the subs can at least be more comfortable.

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Sounds like mayb ritalin use on top of subs

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Just do it ... I'm on day 4 with out any Slow.. I've had a a few 20 mg oxys to delay the sickness..

One question if I was using a gram a day do you think the suboxone program is the best for me ?? I'm in Australia .. Thanks for the help in advance,

And plus the 20mgs have to be. Cuttin my levels down right??? I'm only having 3 maybe 4 at very most a day.. And a Mogadon to sleep,

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People use opiates for many different reasons. Not always to feel high. I was on opiates for two years. Hid it well from my husband , children and other family member. Nobody had a clue I was insufflating Oxys in the bathroom. I still seemed normal. Cooked, cleaned, home work, children , meet the teacher, coached soccer, went the gym. U wouldn't think for a second I was a so called junkie. I had my reasons for doing them. At the time it seemed like there was no other option. I didn't ever mean to become opiate dependant. Once u become opiated dependant , people like urself label us and it's not right. Keeping up with the cost and the lies u tell ur family catches up to u. But now my brain in sick and needs them. It's a brain disease . Like any disease, it needs treated. Starting opiates was a bad choice and it made me become a liar ,a fake ,a disappointment. But if I stopped I would be sick. And any mother knows that if the mother of the house gets sick for a day ,all hell breaks loose . There's no way I could withdrawal and maintain my responsibilities . Suboxone allows me to get better without interrupting my life or anybody's life that my life effects. I dont get high from it and if I decide to relapse , I better think again cause it will send me into auto withdrawal. When that other person called u uneducated she/ he nailed it.

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Wow looks like it sure does work,me to on bus for a few years hi p andb downs some days ib takeb1some 2 been cleans since started..thanks stay clean.

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HI, i am desperately wanting to get clean! i dont want to risk losing my job because then my life will fall apart!! i dont know how to get suboxone and i am sick and tired of using dope every day... can anyone please help me out? thank you!!

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Hi Rush, Congratulations on deciding to get clean. If you go to the suboxone website you will find a search thing there that you can enter your zipcode to find suboxone drs in your area. Also some phyciatrists can prescribe subs. You can also search " suboxone doctors in such and such an area) Don,t be shy about asking questions over the phone like if you should be in wd when you come in or will dr prescribe sub the same day and price and insurance.
There are also clinics which I don,t know much about and private drs that can prescribe subs. Good Luck

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