Need Advice On Either To Tapper With What I Got Or Go Ahead & Jump From Where Im At With Suboxone? (Page 2)

hi! i am needing some advice on a couple of things. i was o an extreme amount of pain pills for about 8-9 yrs then back in 09 i went thru the withdrawal from them & got clean for 9 months, i then came across suboxone not by Rx & started taking them at 1-1/2 a day the 8mg strips. i got on this ot for recreation but i have a really bad back & other problems that causes me alot of pain & thats what got my pain pill addiction started! the drs put me on them & left me on them for a yr! anyway ibe been taking the subs now for 5 yrs, i have went without before for 8-12 days so i know what the withdrawls are like from this to that point & it really scares me for the fact they last so long! when i detoxed myself from the pills it was over in 2 weeks! anyway right now i am down to 2 1/2 subs & i have o way of getting anymore at all! ive wanted off of them for a long time due to they make me foggy headed, cant concentrate, & cant think clearly but they do give me the energy & motivation to live my life! plus they are financially draining me! anyway what i need to know is ive9) already taken 4mg today (1/2 of a strip) should i take a 1/2 for the next 2 days & then cut the last strip into 1/4ths & take a 1/4th each day after till they r gone or should i just jump from where im at now & save what i have for when the withdrawals get really bad? ive been taking 8mg a day & today took 4mg. im just trying to find a way to maybe try to make the withdrawal not as bad or last any longer then it will with what i have left! the withdrawals scare me cause they last so long & i always start feeling them by the 2nd day. the chilling, dizziness, cold sweats, pain, nightmares, & stomach problems is usually whats the worst for me! and another thing my family that lives with me doesnt know ive been taking anythng & i can not let them find out so ive got to try to do this & hide it from them the best i can which is really hard when all u want to do is lay in bed! and for some reason for me the first 3-4 days up to a week all i want to do is hyper sleep then insomnia kicks in! the hyper sleeping makes me feel bad but i cant do anything else! i just want to get clean & stay clean for good! im tired of depending on something to make me feel better even though i live in daily pain! i dont have a dr i can go to & ask for any benzos or sleeping pills to help me as they dont know ive been taking anything so im pretty much in this alone! usually about the 7th-8th day my back & legs hurt so bad for 2-3 days all the way to the bone that i cry & all! so im really dreading this but know it has to be done for me to be able to live my life the way i want to without having to hide things from my family! so any help with this will be greatly appreciated!

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right now its day 14 will be day 15 tomorrow. i think all the physical w/ds are over except for the sneezing! i think i sneeze a thousand times a day! other then that its just the depression & anxiety thats really wearing on me! i think the last couple of days if i couldve gotten some subs or something i wouldve just to feel normal in my head for a little while! this is pure torture! and i still have no energy & sleep alot but i think thats due to the depression also! i know people say if you play you have to pay but i dont think people should have to pay a price this long! this is awful! i have lost all motivation or happiness for anything! i dont even care right now if i do wake up cause its like i have nothing to wake up for cause i have no energy or motivation to want or do anything! ive tried to make myself get up & do some things i do but it dont last long & i have to lay back down! ive tried music & all to lessen the anxiety & depression & its just not working! i honestly dont know how much more of this i can take mentally & with the no energy thing! i hope it starts to improve in the next few days cause if it dont i dont know! ive come this far & really dont want to turn back to something else but i dont know how much more of this mentally i can handle!

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Hi Gemini78! I contacted meds chat a few days ago to give permission for u to have my e-mail address. They said yes and they would e-mail you for your permission to accept. Did you check all your mail? Did you get it? I'm so sorry you are still having these withdrawals. I've been there and it STINKS!!! It can last awhile, too. Let me know about the e-mail.

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hey i know what ur going thru i just came off suboxone couple months ago and let me tell you its the worst hell ever. its not like coming off H where you are sick for 5 days of agony, it takes like 20 days ( it took me 29 at least) because of suboxones lasting effects in the body . it really sucks and i used percs, but as soon as u stop those you are sick again so i kept away from that cuz i had to take like 8 per day.

i felt crappy for weeks like couldnt sleep at all , sweating, no energy,.... but i finally tried something a few weeks in.......... mushrooms... and you know what they actually helped so much jesus.. i was able to return back to work a couple days after and my back pain is also a lot better now that i am not "sick" any more. when you start to feel better make sure you go out and walk and use energy as much as you can so that you can sleep at night, and i would honestly reccomend getting some sleeping aids from ur doc. i use oxazepam to sleep and i used a little bit of Clonodine during the day to take anxiety and sweating away (its a blood pressure pill, given to people for withdrawl as well) ...... all i can say is its extreamly horrible coming off siboxin and it feels like its never going to end and youll never be able to function normally without opiates but i can assure you that after the 20 days youll feel like youve never even done a single opiate.

I also think me taking the percocets and other pain killers to help my withdrawl might have prolonged it so i would advise against it and just soldier thru the s***ty hell . and IT WILL END I PROMISE. youll probably want to be alone a lot but its good to have a bf or a gf to motivate you to get up and walk around a bit even though youll feel that might be impossible

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Hi Gemini78! I wrote meds chat again to give you my email address. Keep a watch for it and you have to accept it. Talk soon! It may take a day or so.

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cats68 i havent gotten it yet but like u said it may take them a couple days so ill keep a watch. right now its just the sneezing, depression, anxiety, & no energy thats taking a toll on me! i think if i could get some energy & feel some motivation id feel better! i just make myself get on the comp a little bit but not every day like i used to! finally clean ive not used anything for the w/d except some muscle relaxers to sleep & they kind of help relax me when my anxiety kicks in at night. this is day 15 & honestly i think im doing pretty good for jumping from where i did but ive detoxed myself off some bad stuff before but it was nothing like this! when they say this thing is a beast they sure are right about that! i dont have a bf or anything for support. i dont have anyone except here cause i cant let my family know. nobody around me knows about this. ive been thru alot in my life already but never anything like this! not mentally anyway! i have had a couple nights where i felt pretty good as long as i had music blasting in my ears for about 4-5 hours but then i drag back down. and its always after 12 at night if it happens. the days are worse then the nights for me. i dont know why that is, maybe cause ive always been a night owl. i just want to feel like me again & feel normal if its possible!

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OK well here is my only experience with suboxen and see if this helps...I was on pills for same reason, pain clinic prescribed.... so my issue is more dependency I know..but I did get a box of suboxen last year and I was soo afraid to try and kick pills..but I took 2 8mg's a day for a week as they told me, then I broke that down... shoot I was off the pills and the suboxen within 2 weeks....I am hoping to do this one more time and stay off both and just endure the pain...I never have known that suboxen would cause pain and so much discomfort from trying to kick.. So I guess I did it right...by not being on suboxen too long ya? Anyone have an opinion on this? I was about to tell you to get you a few pills and ease off the suboxen that way.... kind of go abck and forth and treat your symptoms til you could get off each.... I really hope your ok....

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Hi Gemini78! How are you doing? I've been thinking about you and your situation. I know how hard it must be for you to be going through this, let alone. I give you a lot of credit for getting off and the jump. I think I told you I've been on suboxone almost 8 years. (24mg) I take it for addiction and also for pain. I have a lot of medical problems. That's what started me on the Oxy, until I started abusing it for years. I've been through withdrawals and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I had every symptom there is. And, as I've told you, no one knew. My family doesn't know about the suboxone either. It can take awhile to start feeling better from the withdrawals. I am a nurse and opiates and medical problems left me to leave my job. I'm now on SSDI. I'm so glad I'm on suboxone because I would probably be back on the opiates. It has changed my life SO much. I told you I wrote meds chat, again. So, it will take a couple of days to go through, especially being the weekend. Hang in there. Talk soon!

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right now its just the depression & anxiety thats killing me! i just cant seem to get past it! i know i was on them for a long time & jumped at a high dose but geez you would think id be seeing some improvement mentally by now! i do think all the other physical w/d is gone except im now more cold all the time where im usually a very hot natured person but i can deal with that! i dont know how much more i can take of this depression & anxiety though! and yes Garyc they say the longer a person is on it the worse the w/d is so i think the shorter the time on them the better! the thing is i didnt know all of this as i wasnt getting mine by rx. im right now 16 days off subs & i think ive done pretty good except the last couple of days of threatening to tear my house down! lol. i have no car & no way out of the house as i cant walk long at all due to my back & other things & being in this house is driving me insane! i do believe if i could get out of this house id be fine! yes the acute w/d sucks big time but the mental part of it i think is way worse! if u can beat the mental part of it you can beat this beast! i call it a beast cause like i said ive come off alot of crap before but nothing like this! now if i can make it thru the mental part ill be good to go! well that & getting some energy back! i do feel like im going to go crazy at times but ive had nothing thru this w/d for any comfort meds except a few muscle relaxers to help me sleep so that may make a big difference also i dont know.

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Hi Gemini78! I know what you mean about the anxiety and depression. Have you always had the anxiety or is it just recently? I've always suffered with anxiety so I've been on Klonopin for that. It's too bad you couldn't get to a doctor and get something for the anxiety. Can you go sit outside to get some fresh air? Do you have any friends with a car to get you out of the house? That's not good to be stuck in the house like that. That's enough to make a person depressed. Well, I hope meds chat puts that through to you soon. They gave permission, they just needed your permission to accept it. I don't know what happened. ( the first time) Hang in there and talk soon.

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Hi Gemini78! Did you see the post from meds chat? It's post number 30. They are waiting for you response.

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yes i got it. ive not been on in a couple of days. its now been 20 days. im still sneezing & have some mild stomache problems but the depression is really starting to get to me! i know if i could get out of the house id feel better but im so weak i dont know exactly how much i can do as right now its a chore just to sit up! i swear at this point if i could get anything i do believe id take it just so i could feel normal again! i had depression before but its never in my life been this bad! its gotten to a point ive thought about putting myself in the hospital cause i just dont care for anything! ive tried music, movies, & other things but its just not helping! right now my head is killing me & so is my back but i dont even have any tylenol or anything to take for it! i think if i do end up able to get some more i may have to go back on them till i can get a car to where i can get out of the house so i can feel better. if it wasnt for that & this headache id be ok but ive dealt with this for 20 days now im at my breaking point!

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Hi Gemini! I sure hope you start feeling better soon. You have come SO far.

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well i am now on day 27! i didnt think id make it this far! as of right now the only thing going on is im still sneezing like crazy which i thought would be over by now but it doesnt seem to be slowing down any time soon. also the anxiety has let up some & the depression is there but ive got to where i might get an hour or 2 a day where im not depressed so hopefully thatll get better soon also. i also still have no energy! i mean literally can barely walk thru my house without having to sit down & can barely breathe. but the 30 days is coming up soon so im hoping thatll be a turning point some for the energy & stuff. also ive had to start taking melatonin to sleep cause insomnia decided to set in on my this past week really bad!

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hi cats68! i wanted to let u know im still doing ok! im now 32 days in & my depression is finally letting up some! im actually starting to do things again i havent in years cause the subs made me so foggy headed like & not clear thinking. im still having some sneezing which i have been told is actually a good sign & means that the receptors in your brain are starting to fire up again. if thats true my brain should be in flames! lol. my energy is starting to come back but only in spurts here & there, im having back pain but i have a bad back so guess thats normal for me. the only problem im really having now is insomnia which no amount of melatonin is helping so im hoping thatll level out soon & the fact i cant keep my mind busy enough & get bored really easy! ive always gotten bored easily but not like this & its like everything i used to do isnt interesting to me anymore but i want to do things but dont know what! i hope that makes sense! ill keep updating here as i know im still not completely done but cats68 i do want to thank you so very much for being there for me! i think if i hadnt of knowed i could get on here & have someone to talk to about it i might wouldve lost my mind! you really helped get me thru this alot & im so thankful for that! i hope 1 day i can help someone like u helped me! if anyone reads this & u need someone to just talk to that knows what u r going thru plz feel free to reply to this & ill talk to u or im sure cats68 will be willing as well as she was wonderful for me! i will be contacting u thru email soon cats68 as i consider u a good friend that was there for me thru my hardest time when i had nobody else to turn to! again thank u so much!

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hi! still doing good! im now 38 days in & still feeling tired & sneezing but i think its letting up just slowly! but i guess i can expect it to take so long since i was on them so long. over all im feeling alot better. i do have alot of back pain and other things but i think thats normal cause my backs messed up and the subs were masking alot of stuff. my appetite is now back to normal even more then what i was eating as on the subs i could go days without eating cause they killed my appetite which i know isnt healthy so now maybe i can get my vitamin levels under control which even the dr was having a hard time doing with script meds. im also doing and interested in things ive not done in years and am glad of that but ive lost all interest in the hobbies and things i did while on the subs. i dont know why that is or if its normal cause some i absolutely loved but have no interest in now! ill keep updating here at least till the 90 day mark they say it takes to make a full recovery even though i dont think itll take me that long hopefully! i do think its going to take the 60 days and may take the 90 with my energy level but im hoping not!

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hi! well im now 45 days off subs! im still sneezing but im starting to think it may be allergies. also my energy level has plateaued. its not going up any more its like it has leveled out at this point so im hoping thatll change & get better soon! im still geting some anxiety but its not to bad & doesnt last long to where its something i cant deal with. my main problem now really is sleep! ive taken high doses of melatonin & still can only get about 4 hrs sleep out of a 24 hr day! and thats not at 1 time. i sleep an hour or here & there. its been like that for the last 2-3 weeks & is really getting on my nerves. i think thats got alot to do with my energy level. my brain wants me up at night & wants to sleep a couple hrs thru the day. im hoping this will straighten out soon. im also having alot of back & body pain & headaches now but i think the subs was masking all of this & now i need to get these problems taken care of but im trying to wait it out some more to make sure its not something from the detox process that will eventually get better. as i said before ill keep updating every few days at least till my 90 day mark here. or if someone needs someone to talk to.

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it has now been 51 days off subs for me! my sneezing is finally starting to slow down some. im only taking sneezing fits maybe 2-3 times a day now. im still dealing with the depression quite a bit & the anxiety but its not as bad as it was. the only thing bothering me really is the depression & my energy level. my energy level doesnt seem to be going up anymore! i was hoping that all this would be resolved by the 60 day mark but i think it may take the 90 days as they say it does. i am still hoping itll all be gone by then & that i dont have the p.a.w.s. even though im doing alot better then i was i know most people say they are feeling 100% better by the 60 days & im still not feeling like that! right now id say im about 90-95% better. so im hoping itll all soon be gone for good! ive made it thru this & even though its hard to believe i have like i said when the acute w/ds started, ill never go back to no kind of pill or drug! this is my last detox im gonna put my body thru! this one has really taught me a lesson thats for sure!

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well today made my 60 days! im still dealing with depression, anxiety, & insomnia. also the energy level thing. it seems they have all plateaued. so im hoping i can find a way to work thru these quickly & get it all done & over with cause id love to be completely done with this by the 90 day mark! im really hoping i dont have p.a.w.s. to anyone who reads this, this is a long hard journey but it is worth it! ill keep updating here every so often till my 90 day mark or if someone needs to talk or anything.

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I'm not prescribed suboxone but have a friend that is but needs it out of his system within the next 2 days for a job drug panel & doesn't hire someone even if it is prescribed to them. Will drinking vinegar and lots of water flush it out?

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no it wont. i have heard they have to do a special kind of test to pick subs up in the system & not just the usual drug panel. im not sure myself just what ive heard others say. subs have a very long half life & i wouldnt think it could be flushed out of the system in 2 days as in 3 days half is still in ur system. after that it goes down a little each day for about 4-5 days depending how high of a dose they r on.

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