Advice Starting Suboxone, ?s (Page 3) (Top voted first)

I am about to start Suboxone for the second time. The first time I didn't follow the rules and began taking it before I was in withdrawals. It was awful. I want to do it right this time. They say wait until you are at least in mild withdrawals. That is different for everyone. I am terrified of taking it too early. I am snorting heroin daily. I have weened myself off to just three lines per day. The dope I get isn't good either. My question is do I need to wait until I am a complete mess? Can I start taking it when I just start feeling anxious and restless? Should I be puking. Anyone with advice or personal experience please respond. I have to get it right this time. I have complete faith in this drug. Thanks!

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of course anyone could withdraw cold turkey if they really wanted to teach themselves a lesson, but I'll tell you this much: if you're not truly ready to stop then it doesn't matter how many times you put yourself through the torture of a cold turkey withdrawal. I simply don't see the point in putting your body through that stress, cause even though opiate withdrawal isn't considered to be a medical emergency such as alcohol or benzos, you can still f*** your body up. Moreover, I certainly wouldn't consider suboxone to be an addictive drug. Apparently suboxone can get you f****d up if you're a real fesh f****n baby in the game! But I'll tell you I'm a far cry from that possibilty. I've taken it right up to the ceiling before it puts you into precipitated withdrawal just for s*** and giggles, and nothing! Also, for the dude who was snorting a bindle a day....yeah, that's a good amount of dope and you probably felt some pain comin of that cold turkey, but trust me when I tell you this: if you were bangin a bundle a day and came off the way you did, then I guarantee you would feel very differently about what you wrote! That's like comparing jerkin off to a blow job from a perfect ten model! Alright people, I'm done venting my boredom on this forum just cause I've got s*** else to do! I'll leave you guys to it! Peace!

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Patrick, the best advise I could give you about when to start would be from my own use of suboxone. I took my last dose of percs at noon and did on 3 10/325 when I would usually do 6. I then did no more and took an ambien to fall asleep. I woke up at around 5am in mild with-draw and began my first dose. This worked very well for me but as all have said in here, each person reacts different. Either way I wish you well on your recovery as it is a battle with or with out the subs. One day at a time. I also went on for only two weeks as I did not want to sub one drug for another. If you ween down on the second week you should be good to come off like I did. Again good luck and may the lord be with you.

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J Sik, You definately nailed it with what you said about the process. For some it can be 12 or so hours and for others it can take longer than 24 hours. I have been an IV Heroin user for 20+ years and have done ALL possible options. My advice would be to go to a 5 (preferably stay the full 7 days to give yourself a few days methadone (Or Methadose depending on where your from. There similar chemically in the body but have VERY different half lifes and reactions, or side effects i guess youd call them more. Don't forget also, Suboxone has the opiate analog Buprinorfrin (an addictive opiate that is not a true opiate molecule but a variation of a similar chemical structure to Tramadol or any other synthetic Codiene-type creation. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT : Suboxone also contans an opiate antagonist called NARCAN. This is used to bring a friend out of an Overdose very quick and is used intraveiniously and really is fast as heck. You can get this with a short educational discussion and a kind of short training program on how to use it (Like any of us hardcores need it>>>) but that is what creates the dope sickness in a person when Sub's are taken to quickly after using. and it is no where near as BAD as normal crappy heroine withdrawals.
As i said originally, in my opinion i've had nothing but clenliness from all opiates (even refusing pain killers when i recently cut three toes off in an AXE-ident, but for me that is ABSOLUTELY necessary because now a days i have such a mental capacity to recieve the opiate endorphin stimulators that my brain shuts my natural endorfin producer right down.) I can also say that the 7 day detox is the best for many because its a sober haven with all family in the same boat, which is comforting to not feel sick alone, as long as its not just like you and one other sick-ass person making you get worse by association. It just works great because even though Methadone is a synthetic and potent opiate, you will only be on it for a total of 5 days (last 2 days are just for getting ready to face the block and your peoples again, which will probably be your worst trigger, although MONEY is usually the biggest if not relationship probems.)
f*** the Suboxone bro, it's as long term as Outpatient Methadone which youll MAYBE be able to get the nuts to get off the s***.
Once you decide to, if you come down faster than around 2-3 mg per week your gonna get syptoms of dope sickness the whole time your coming down. Especially heeby-Geebies (aka the skin crawler illness), sleep you can forget about probably, also youll find that youll continually get hot/cold flashes and fever like feelings. Almost the same type of withdrawal as from H, however, this substance has a longer half-life in the human body than H. One thing i can say is if your a fat type person or at least have more fat type body mass (Not muscles at all) all substances i've used thorghout my many years of hardcore drug use, i get sick at least 20+ hours AFTER my wife had been sick after about 8. She is only 5` 6 and only 108 punds. She used a half gram shot every time i did so we kept an EXACT habit including when we decide to shoot some of the non-generic Oxycontin 80's or 160's, which stopped after i broke a green generic 80mg and spooned it only to find that they added an extra reactant than is a polymer, which will create a jello lump in your spoon or cooker or whatever. You end up eating that s*** though so it's no big deal but a pain in the ass to not shoot it for that instant sick relief we all pray for (BTW, you'll know you got the generice because the 80's are green ovals with a scoring on the front in between two number sets. on the left side is a 33 and on the other is a 93, but keep in mind i'm just talking about the 80 mg generic pieces of crap since they are most prevalent where i'm from. Back to the ORIGINAL QUESTION, (sorry everyone it's my stupid ADD)Depending on what habit youve had prgressively, which will naturally increase over a short period too. It would be a dumb idea to even consider your option or at least your inquiry into Sub's having a change for the better per se. LIke that other poster up top a bit said (forget who sorry) your only gonna get strung out on another outpatient opiate which is friggin dumb except in certain cases, inho. Try the 7 day detox , which is a sleep at the joint for your days and nights and go to a bunch of intesting educative speeking groups, etc. But you wont be on the 'Done for mor than 5 days which you start at 30 mg wafer pills and then progressively quick, But not enough to make you even feel ill at all, 5 mg's per day early in the am, and if you ask you can usually always ask and get sleep aids and quuinine for your leg cramps, that is only if you even get them which i highly doubt youll get with your weened off tiny habit. But they usually will general have comfort meds to ease any potential pains and cramps, etc. STAY AWAY FROM LONG TERM METHADONE TREATMENTS. It just is a business that gets you on goverment - pharmaceutical industry/company programs to keep the heroin cash a) In THIS country's grasp and control as well as the perfect way to keep track of any and all junkies in the city or own the clinics are in. But trust me the easiest, most agony free way to kick any opiate is short term, 5-7 day in patient. you just have to prove to them that you have opiates in your system. Also a little trick for you is to get the nurse drug dispenser to give you your wafers on the first night. The only way to do that is to pretend to be sick. She'll take your pulese and blood pressure and look visibly for signs of illness, so you'll have to do a bunch of push ups in your room secretly immediately prior to your visit with her, then a little trick i use to keep up the heart rate and blood pressure is to squeeze your asss cheeks together as hard as you can for as long as you can and keep this going on until her test are done. Don't say you got high in at least 14-to 20 hours so she'll see your sick, cuz if you go in noticeably high they wont distribute your 'Done until the next morning and trust me you dont wanna wait that long when your getting sicker and sick and knowing theres a safe full of wafers in her offiice. the in house detox is the olnly on that worked for me ever but it still took about 10 or so times of going back to finally get my mind right and get free again. Plus outpatient means you can practially never leave your community/ town/ city, etc cuz you'll be locked to the chains of the Done though if you give your clinic time they can find and make it so you could go get it at the nearest clinic to wherever you went, but it's a true pain in the ass man. Just do the 5-7 day detox and stay away from all your peoplesor old spots for as long as it takes. Get new clean peple in your life to keep you from using lonliness and bordem as a easy cop out trigger to use. Its not easy and heres the real fact: THIS IS A CLUB WITH A LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP. tHOUGH YOU MAY BE CLEAN YEARS IT ONLY TAKES ONE DUMB ASS THOUGH = OR IDEA TO RUIN YOU AGAIN. go the 7 days and just get it over with. I say f*** all opiate substites as much as possible and for as short a time as any. I have kick both 120 mg's of methadone in jail 3 times and i ca honestly say that it is WAY WORSE OF A KICK. Last time i was cripplingly sick ilocked in solitary confinement for 31 days before being let out cuz the prick CO's didn't like hearing my death curdling screams of terrible agony. The sickness passed a whole 6 and change months later. I've kicked H so many times now it's worthless to count. This doesnt even come close to a comparison. Thats why i say only do it for the 5 days they hook you up w/ at the in house detoxes. Believe me if it sticks with you and you dont f*** up like a normal first timer through the system of opiate addiction handling, then move on with your life hapy and dope free. remember how good it felt to be able to wake up wherever and not need to fix yoour rig up immidieately. Freedom brotha. Fight for it. Stick with it and you'll probably end up in the prison system for a gang of time or youll overdose and die, or the worst of all youll be the only one left of your runing mates to be alive still without death from OD. Just stop f***ing around and get on it bro. If you truly want it badly then youll have no problem at all kicking how i told you. It's also easier if you only snort. The points are another addiction in themselves since its so much more of a ritual that way not to mention the immediacy of the drugs action. I hope i shed some light my brotha and best of luck to even though luck has s*** to do with this. It's your integrity and self love thatll pull you away and get your head outta your ass. Just buy american grown domestic Cannabis and keep American money in the little american families hands to help the people be able to empower and themselves to become busness, ect. All your loot is going to gang bangers and tyranical dictators, not to metion the DEA's cut. fight ignorance through consciousness. Relearn you the f*** you are without your cut-ass who knows what dope your doing. It's probably cut with methadone already or benzos like 2 mg clonapins or even s***tier .1 mgs of Lorazepam (the weakest of the benzo's aka Attivan). Fact is stop putting s*** inside your temple that is meant to help you learn about your wourld and culture as well unlock the key's to nature and the cosmos. All dopes gonna give is loneliness, best friends hating you for f***ing robbing them or scamming them somehow. Alienation from your closest family and a s***load of bad days full of sickness and misery. Although maybe you just like to hold a bathroom trash over your face and between the lap to puke your guts out while butt-pissing constantly. Anziety, Insomnia with body pain and aching in your bone marrow and joints and no tru lover. Its just a sucker ass drug these days. maybe if humans could keep it like the late 1880's and not use impure and scarily cut and mistreated H then it'd be easiear to be consistant. But I would only use it for an old skool serious pain and never more than two consecutive days in a row or i'd get sick. When kicking you HAVE to force down a gang of H20 because if you kick cold turkey, the puking alone will dehydrate you to an exausted and crippled state, buit it wont stop your need to puke. The water will make it real easy and don't eat anyting for a few days. give it 4-7 days of cold turkey kicking and your done bro. It's bad truly but like another poster said up aboveto go through a cold turkey kick will be a serious reminder of how bad you dont wanna go through it again EVER. Regaurdless of those off days when you can get weak juast remember. And regaurdless of what anyone tells you you caant just chip and get away with it. Trust any og H user, it'll only grow and go right back to start. Take care and i'll pry to Jah on your behalf tonight. Peace brother. dopehow well your daily scam pays off, end results

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i was on 115 mgs of methadone for 15 yrs,i swiched to soboxone 6 months ago but did it to fast,i lowered myself from 115 to 30mgs in 4 days and skipped 2 days,i went on soboxone and went into full over the brink withdraw for 15 hrs,i'm fine now but would have lowered much slower if i would have known it would have been that bad for 15 hrs.

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you won't grt high from suboxone,it's like an awakeining,you feel clean,mind is clear,i'm really impressed with the progress i've made on suboxone,if i didn't get off methadone i felt i was going to be on it forever.

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Best Advice try to get Subetex about 10 doses to start it does not have the blocker in it like suboxone than ease into the suboxone experienced this many times Good Luck

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Yes it is a drug and you can get high from it if you take a high dose, like a whole 8mg pill or film. send her to rehab in patient long term... Take it from me, someone who has been on methadone 120mg for two years, detoxed, wqas clean and started suboxin. a drug is a drug is a drug..

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Yes I use coke once in a while and I was on suboxin, your wife is lieing to u man and she is probable cheating too, because if she's on coke chances are she's getting it off a guy and probably doing it with him as well. Seems like your wife has a lot more to hide then u think.

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Hi I really enjoyed reading your post.. I am currently trying to get on suboxone. I have been taking 4-5 roxy 30s a day. i am very small 115 pds. how soon should i wait before i start suboxone after i last did a roxy? im very scared i'll be thrown into precipracated withdrwls. and how much suboxone of a strip should i take? Thank you so muc for your help

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Are you not consulting with a doctor on this, so they can instruct you on when you should take it?

Most will have you take it at set times to prevent symptoms. If you are trying to do this on your own, you may end up in a very dangerous situation.

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Verwon....You need help, really you do! Somewhere along the line narcissism took over in your life, and you believe yourself, or what 90% of pain management doctors are telling you, which they themselves are completely out of touch of the reality of addiction, and what their patients are going through. Most real addicts are just rats or mice in the eyes of most physicians......they tend to be very tunnel visioned in their therapy or approach, losing site(if they ever had it) of the bigger picture.

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you don't need suboxone. I kicked snorting a BUNDLE a day COLD ! Sure it's rough for a few days, but the memory of that horror keeps me from going back !!! Suboxone just another addicting drug making the pharmaceutical co.'s rich !

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