Taking Subutex And Percocet Together (Page 18)
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My doctor just put me on subutex along with percocet. I've been on percocet for yrs for severe and chronic migraines. He told me to take the subutex and if it doesn't work to take a percocet. I usually take 15 mg percocet at a time. I've read some stuff online that worries me. Some people say if you take percs with subutex you'll go into withdrawals. I went through severe withdrawals with fioricet months ago and I don't want to go through that hell again. I took my first subutex about an hour ago and I still have a migraine so I want to take a perc now. Can I do that or will I get sick?

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hi James, i am not on suboxone, but i am a nurse, a nurse who was injured on the job 20 yrs ago at age 29 and now suffer from chronic disease and pain that ive been told have no cure and gradually debilitating, the injury just triggered just set the wheels in motion by breaking me down and one by one diseases/illnesses have taken over not just my spine but my whole body, i am not an addict (i know this because i chose to stop all pain meds, after trying multiple things, but still suffered, drs said i will always be in some pain, so if i have to deal with the pain on narcotics, i chose to deal with pain without them ande an idea of my not have the neg. effects pain meds cause)...i just wanted to give some idea of my situation before responding about the suboxone/subutex posts..the 2 are not the same. although i dont understand why any dr would give subutex with percocet...its just not commonly done, but the subutex will not reverse the percocet or cause withdrawl because subutex only contains buprenorphine, but suboxone on other hand contains buprenorphine and naloxone therefore if it was combined with percocet, not only could it trigger withdrawl, it would block the effect of the opiate, and most often cause nausea and sudden vommiting, because the naloxone is a opiate blocker and the two are not compatible. the buprenorphine is actually a opioid, its different that percocet because it is just a partial opioid antagonist. I only responded because of my medical knowlede as a RN, not trying to come across rude. but recently there has been studies that buprenorphine is effective reducing pain. before it was approved in US it was used in other countries as a pain med for years, but in early 2000 or so when approved here, it wasnt "suppose to be prescribed for pain" although many foreign drs said it helped pain, and last year i read that in early 2016 buprenorphine was gonna be FDA approved for "Pain relief"..so the drs may be already prescribing subutex for pain and with other pain meds...i dont think it would help pain alot, i would think perc would help more..but that may be why they r given together now, maybe either alone dont help alot but maybe they found if combined they work better...i dont know i do know that suboxone is only one incompatible with opiates, because the naloxone is a blocker and not compatible with the opiates..have you seen where they have made naloxone injections over counter, hoping that will prevent opiate and illicit drug overdoses, because if given after the drugs, it will reverse the effects of them...

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Kkh yup it took tough love for me ..I made the choice to switch to sub but my loved ones stopped helping me to kinda push me along
. I sometimes forget the lengths I would go and the bad choices I made but these clinics that treat us are limited in the amount of patients they can treat and its sad to see slots wasted on people who are not "ready" and have those who are desperately seeking help good luck warrior for thats what we are those who battle addiction

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JAMES: I agree with you. I am an addict too, so I am also no one to judge. And the only reason I am on here is to help and to answer questions. But yes, when someone's only question is "how can I use my drug of choice more effectively", it does make me sad. It also makes me wonder if I should even be helping someone like that. I mean, do I want someone to go into precipitated withdrawals? Do I want someone to catch HepC, or to overdose? No, of course not. But then again, maybe a little "tough love" would go a long way with some of these people.

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Not judging for im a recovering addict but I see many posts on here of people asking questions like I've just took a suboxone or subutex, how long before I can take a hydro a perc or oxy??? Duh never!!! So many would give an arm or leg to have suboxone or subutex available to stop using. This brings me to my question.......why did you take a suboxone/subutex if your getting ready to take an opiate within hours of it? Suboxone/subutex is a miracle drug to me and many others. Think about it before you take either. If your in that position give the sub a try. You will thank yourself. God bless to all.

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Amen just belle thats my situation both hips replaceded per juvenile degenerative bone disease and being a slave to opiates for almost 30 yrs I grew tired of the damage to my body and tge withdrawal from running out to soon I take suboxone instead of the subutex for a safety net so I wont get weak and use these drugs are for those of us who have grown sick and tired of being sick and tired from opioid dependence there's a very fuzzy line there on switching from a bup based drug to a opiate pain killer I function 300 percent better on it than any other opiate my favorite being dulaudid and roxy hence the addiction problem the suboxone gives me thr get up and go to keep moving and those of us with chronic pain conditions know this we neen to keep moving or it gets bad I wish you well and still from my own experience suggest to all others if you use suboxone or subutex or any other bup based drug please refrain from opiate use its never good it ineffective and the precipitated withdrawal are horrible and if you are considering switching to a bup base drug wait till your in full withdrawal good luck and well wishes to all

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CHAD: Bad advice from you. Subutex absolutely will throw a person into precipitated withdrawals if taken too soon AFTER opioids. If he takes the Subs BEFORE the Percocet, he should be ok, but he most likely will not feel the effects of the Percs.

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PARAMEDIC: You are so wrong. THE BUPRENORPHINE ITSELF WILL GIVE YOU WITHDRAWALS. I was never on Suboxone, only, Subutex, and I went into HORRIBLE precipitated withdrawals from doing Subutex too soon after opiates. I have posted this many, many times. DO NOT TAKE SUBUTEX TOO SOON AFTER OPIATES/OPIOIDS!!

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Just to also clarify AGAIN AS A FEW HAVE CORRECTLY stated subutex has no naloxone in it so if your using it you can theoretically feel euphoric effects from naroctic analgesics but most likely you wont. The bup in it is stronger than most all opiates out there and over powers it. You will not withdrawal if you cross use these medications. Now suboxone is different and also different with each individual. It will put you in withdrawal and the time for which this happens varies person to person. Best advice is to be in withdrawal before you take it and even better advice is to refrain from opioid use if your taking either. The drug's purpose is to maintain your wellness while detoxing ..or getting off pain killers in some cases where someone has legit chronic pain but has a problem controlling opiate use. It's used for pain management. That's why I use it. It keeps me clean and controls my chronic pain... MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE PEOPLE TAKING THESE DRUGS WITH OPIATES? MAKES NO SENSE. IM NO DR BY ANY MEANS BUT I QUESTION A DOCTOR'S KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL AND ETHICS IF HE IS PRESCRIBING THEM TOGETHER. GOOD LUCK ALL.

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I agree completely with what you said! I had my hip replaced, had to taper off subutex, to start taking narcotics (they WERE needed because of the surgery). But now my pain Dr wants me to STILL take the narcitics (they make me feel CRAPPY) & the pain is mostly controlled with OTC anti-inflammatory meds. I have been tapering off opiates very slowly, but the withdrawals are kicking my butt, especially at night. During the night (last night) I couldn't handle the sweats, jumpy legs, feeling sick, etc. So I took 2 mg if Subutex & it worked like a miracle! I WANT to be off opiates & just get back to Subutex, I feel SO MUCH better on them! I suffer from chronic pain & some may argue that Subutex doesn't help with pain. It helps ME to live a semi-nornal life, narcotic-free!

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You can't take other opioids when on a suboxone program. You can on Subutex. If you take other opiates on Subs it will throw you straight into withdrawal.

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How long does it take after taking half a does of suboxone can I take other opiates?

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You'll be fine. As long as you took the subutex first. Don't do the reverse tho, that's what will get u sick, percs the subs will get you sick because the bupe has a higher affinity for your receptors than oxy does. And then withdrawal occurs because the bupe fits in your receptors but doesn't turn them on like oxy or any other opiate does. Got. It???

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Do it!!! I use to be addicted to pain pills like crazy and ever since I went on subutex I have been my real self. I never had any withdrawals. Just make sure you take enough. The starting dose of subs may be one 8mg pill or strip if suboxone... If you feel sick take another half. Im telling you I love the subs... they take away the withdrawals and the mental cravings. You actually can live a life without obsessing over pills. and it can also help with moderate pain but you wont experience any kind of high.

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I took a piece of a subutex three hours ago and was wondering how long I have to wait to feel a Roxy 30.. I use IV as well

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I had a neck fusion and 2 lower back fusions in the past 8 years. I went on subutex strictly for pain.
I just went to the er for tooth pain that turned into an infection. They gave me 4mg morphine and antibiotics through an IV drip. They sent me home with a prescription for antibiotics and Percocet knowing that I'm on subutex. Can I take both subutex and Percocet?

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I just completed a 21 day detox methadone to switch to subutex,,the doc I just saw 6hrs ago was great,my last dose wase Sunday.Doc also said u can go down to 30mg then wait 48hrs and in substantial withdraws,to get on subutex,or just say u had a severe allergic reaction to suboxen, severe hives and migraines is how I got them over the suboxen.The first day I took 16mgs,t

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Thank u. People shouldn't type anything on this topic when they know nothing. Thank u for spreading truth.

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yes people get this right!!! Subutex is just buprenorphine. It does not have noloxone in it. It will not get u sick if u take it after pain pills. Suboxone will it does have the nalox. Best wishes.

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the oxymorphone your speaking of is also called opana. it's actually really good

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I have been on methadone maintenance for 13 years. Its ruining my life. I can't go anywhere bc I have to go to a clinic everyday. I want to take subutex not suboxone. I scared I will get sick. Im at 52mgs. Someone help me... will I get sick if I take a subutex the next day?????

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