Taking Subutex And Percocet Together (Page 17) (Top voted first)

My doctor just put me on subutex along with percocet. I've been on percocet for yrs for severe and chronic migraines. He told me to take the subutex and if it doesn't work to take a percocet. I usually take 15 mg percocet at a time. I've read some stuff online that worries me. Some people say if you take percs with subutex you'll go into withdrawals. I went through severe withdrawals with fioricet months ago and I don't want to go through that hell again. I took my first subutex about an hour ago and I still have a migraine so I want to take a perc now. Can I do that or will I get sick?

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How long on it now..i heard my doc tell a guy it takes up to 3 weeks to stabilise in your system...

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Always wait for one to get outta your system before taking the other, never mix within 24hrs or you will be sick.

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So back to my original question. If I'm on 60 mg of oxycodone a day and I took my last dose 18 hours ago, how much subutex should I take today? Would I be okay with 1 mg or would I need to take 2 mg to kick the pain and feel ok? Also, how long will it last before I need to take more? And how long will I have to take subutex to be able to wean off fully and kick this altogether?

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Thanks for the words of wisdom. What a love hate with all of this. To think, the money spent elsewhere is just crazy. Which is really the worst part of it. If it were free and didn't have to increase tolerance then it would be great! If only lol

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If they are pregnant they do not need to be on suboxone strips and they don't even make a subutex strip. If the person is pregnantes then they only need to be on subutex I know that to beca use I have had 2 children already and was on it and now I am pregnant with my 4th child but 3rd child on subutex

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the oxymorphone your speaking of is also called opana. it's actually really good

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I took a piece of a subutex three hours ago and was wondering how long I have to wait to feel a Roxy 30.. I use IV as well

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You'll be fine. As long as you took the subutex first. Don't do the reverse tho, that's what will get u sick, percs the subs will get you sick because the bupe has a higher affinity for your receptors than oxy does. And then withdrawal occurs because the bupe fits in your receptors but doesn't turn them on like oxy or any other opiate does. Got. It???

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How long does it take after taking half a does of suboxone can I take other opiates?

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No offense to anyone but I just dont see the reasoning behind taking an opiate with either of these key words are USED FOR GETTING OFF OPIOIDS seems to not make sense naloxone or not n yes theoretically you can take what ever with the subutex and not with suboxone but WHY???? If your in a program that prescribes one of these and your taking opiates then please connsider stepping aside till your READY and make room someone who is seeing how our great caring government only alows drs to treat 100 patients at a time theirs many who would not even consider mixing them god bless n I apologize for sounding so abrupt its a touchy subject thanks all

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Thanks kkh addiction is a beast and we are warriors to survive I do know some who request pill form or the subutex so they can use and you are so right it will be a very hard lesson learned for them the bupe its self will throw the precips on ya .I wasn't always so emotional on this subject but this is a vwry serious thing unfortunately many who dont know about addiction except what they read or perceive on their own wont understand until it rears its ugly head close to home I wouldnt with that on anyone but bottom line approximate wait time is 48 hours before you can use ANY opiate / pharmaceutical or street form after ANY bupe based drug. But even then I wouldnt recomend it everyones metabolism is different .. so nice talking with someone who takes this serios to n thank you for the good thoughts. God bless

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TASH, DJTRU: You are both misinformed. MAYBE you were on a small dose of Subutex and pain meds, MAYBE. But no, you can't just "mix Subutex and pain meds". Where are you getting your information? Subutex is not what they "give people who are still on pain meds"....what would even be the point of that? When starting Suboxone OR Subutex, you need to be completely clean from all other opioids. Buprenorphine itself IS a "blocker", for lack of any of you using the proper terms. Go take some opioids, then take a couple Subutex, then get back to me. Now as I said, if you are on a fairly small dose of both; first, these meds will leave your body quicker if on a lower dose, and second, Subutex not having the Naloxone will be less likely to throw you into complete and total precips, again if taking a small amount of Subutex and/or pain meds. But BUPRENORPHINE ITSELF is not a "typical agonist opioid", and is in fact an opioid ANTAGONIST, which have such a major binding affinity for your opioid receptors, it will completely and totally knock any and all agonist opioids off of said receptors and throw you into a s*** show. You don't have to believe me, it is just a FACT. It's not about the "blocker" (naloxone), it's about the Bupe ITSELF. The main reason naloxone is even in Suboxone is to keep people from taking it intravenously. All you *****s telling everyone that its ok to use Bupe with opioids are going to throw someone into a BAD RATTLE. But I suppose if anyone is stupid enough to believe you people, then that's on them.

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JAMES: Like this DJ TRU guy. "One has the blocker, the other doesn't, end of story!" Oh boy, not only is that not the "end of the story", it isn't even the RIGHT story. Unreal. You can break it to them, in scientific fact, and they will still be saying "no way dude!!" Because they have been able to take a Perc with a tiny dose of Subutex, hours apart, well that proves it! Not to mention the part about "lets see how we can take our Opiate Replacement Therapy meds, and get away with taking our dope at the same time!!" Besides the fact that I personally experienced precipitated withdrawals, the binding affinity of Bupe is a scientific fact, it isn't my opinioni! That is something I NEVER want to go through again! I thought I knew what "withdrawal" was all about, having been a 30 year+ addict....OMG. That was INSANE! You know how they say "climbing the walls"? I was LITERALLY climbing the walls, and banging my head against them, and begging my spouse to smother me with a pillow. The spouse started shoving Trazodone down my throat, and I FINALLY passed the heck out. Friggin TRAIN WRECK!

ONCE MORE FOR CLARITY: Buprenorphine ITSELF can and will throw you into precipitated withdrawals, whether it contains Naloxone or not. Of course there can be exceptions depending on how long you wait and how much you take of either substance, but these are facts, not my opinion. This also comes from my own research and two different doctors who are addiction specialists. One of these doctors was the Addiction Specialist for the Denver Nuggest NBA team. So people, be my guest, don't believe us, believe these amateurs, go for it! Take some good, strong, full agonist opioids like Fentanyl, Oxys. (not a Percocet, which is a LOT of Tylenol) Take your dose and then wait about an hour or two, and pop about 12, maybe 16 mgs of Subutex....please, by all means! I would LOVE to hear how that went for you! Ridiculous.

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One must be in moderate withdrawal from opiates before they can take any form of bupe, including subutex, otherwise you will experience precipitated withdrawal. It is NOT the naloxone alone that causes this. It is the buprenorphine.

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REALLY: And for your information, I have been on here for YEARS, and have PERSONALLY saved more than one person from making the same mistake as I did. So yes, I am serious about this. If you see me posting a serious reply regarding a serious issue as "venom", well I guess that's your problem, not mine. Many MANY people on here keep telling people that it is ok to use opioids right along with Subutex; THAT is going to do way more harm to people than anything I've said. THOSE are the people you need to be going after, not me. My comments were directed at them, which is why I actually addressed my responses to those particular people. I have had many people on here thank me for my advice. I don't have a "hostile and indignant superiority complex", but it sounds like you do. My advice has been GREATLY appreciated on here. These are serious issues, sorry if I didn't sugar coat my answers for you. And I'm not going ANYWHERE, I will continue to share my knowledge as a pre-med student, medical researcher and addict on here for anyone who needs it. I highly doubt that anything I have said on here has caused anyone to "make mistakes that harmed them or killed them", so land the plane on that one. Yes, I speak in real talk, sorry if you can't handle that. Maybe it is YOU that shouldn't be on here.

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You will not go into withdrawals, the narcotics will just be ineffective. It's true I tell ya. I've been taking both off and on since sub first came out. One must wait at least 72 hrs for the sub to be out of your system. Otherwise it's just a waste.

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Hi, I've been taking suboxone, subutex and pain medication for many yrs. It used to work when I would first take the pain meds then the sub. However now it doesn't at all. In fact I have oxycodone 10's and I get nothing from them. Still have pain and feel absolutely nothing. I'm thinking it's because I've been on sub for so long. What do you think? I mean I would have to go without anything for like 2-3 days then take the pain meds. I'm not sure what's going on but they just don't work anymore.

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DEB: Sorry, just wanted to get it all straight; you are saying that the Oxys don't relieve your pain anymore? If that is the case, you have probably developed a tolerance. That's what happens with opioids, unfortunately. If you take a certain dose long enough, you stop getting the usual effects from them and have to take more. That would be my guess. Have you talked to your doctor about this?

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Hi, I believe it's because I have the sub in my system. I've been taking it and pain meds for many yrs and only in the past couple months have I noticed this. It's obviously frowned upon to take both, back and forth. Dr.'s tell me, one or the other. Before this I would take a pain pill in the morning, not wanting to take too many I would then take a sub after an hour or so. Pain free and feeling better. Not the case now. I do see my dr mon and the pain dr soon. I will discuss this. Thanks!

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Hi, are you referring to me? Regarding posting again and be a whining baby? If so, I don't understand..sorry

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