Roxane Subutex (westward/hikma) (Page 2)
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So for a couple years now my Roxane/westward/hikma pills have been super inconsistent or just flat out felt like 2mgs instead of 8mgs. Sometimes they work sometimes they do almost nothing. It started in about the end of 2015. I think i was taking them before 2015 but never looked at the brand until i started having withdrawals out of nowhere. It was like a completely different med. So for almost 2 years i have been having issues. I'm fed up and i have changed brands but always only had partial fills and back to the roxane/westward/hikma brand. Anyone else notice any differences in this brand?

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Re: Charlene (# 24)

One thing I found out that chain pharmacies don't seem to help you with getting the brand you prefer. Each one has their own suppliers. All the Walmarts have the same kind of subs, at least by me, I found out. The small shops want your business so they are more likely to help someone out.

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Re: Bobby (# 20)

Did you ever find the Rhodes yet?? I can say they are so m.n nicly made and shiny. Its definitely a beautiful looking pill. But then again I think all pills are good. That's what landing me on these subs.i like that fact they don't have that bup taste afterwards. But I'm not going to complain about them to much, I need these pills to survive

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Re: davidjw1 (# 25)

Great news..concentrate on your journey. It took me a good 2 months to find them and get them. It happened to be the pharmacy I had always used..I'm not as brave as some. I guess shy. One day while driving home from the drs. I stopped in talked with them and yes they were very interested I'm thinking because of the mega money for them I think it cost my pharmacy some wear $2 each then sell them to customers for $250 cash price. I only had to do cash price a few times..darn its expensive for those without insurance. Oh btw, my sister in law other family members live in San Francisco..the first time I took the Rhodes and I noticed it doesn't have that strong bup. Taste it's very, very smooth too. I take 3 and a half a day. I haven't had any problem at all...well last month I got stuck with the orange ones that totally put my body out of wack..I picked mine up went straight to the car open the bag. And took one. I have to say they are so shiny and so well made. Its about time they finally came out with a good bup.

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Re: Charlene (# 24)

Today I got a reply from an independent "mom n pop" pharmacy that does compounding, who I emailed requesting whether they could order the Rhodes Purdue Buprenorphine. Success!! Finally after three months and hours of calling, emailing and visiting pharmacies. I am in the San Francisco area and believe it or not they are able to get these for me at less than $2 each! So it can be done. It takes time and it is possible to get the Rhodes Purdue Buprenorphine. I will pick them up next week. Thank you for the suggestions and the NDC number, too.

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Re: Davidjw1 (# 22)

I live in southwest Florida. For the NDC # 42858-502-03 I HAD TO USE A MOM N POP SHOP. I showed them the NDC # And I told them they came out in October 2017 and they cost the pharmacy $2.40 for each pill. And since most pharmacies in my area Charge from $3.75-$4.25 a pill they could just about double their money.. they called me the next day and said they were in...now like everyone knows each one of us is different on what buprenorphine products works best.

Please just don't take my word... but I have to say if you're like everyone else and stays with hikma 54 411s, the Rhodes will not let you down...I hear nothing but people raving and complaining about the original brand name subutex... for those of us that were lucky enough to try it. As of right now the only 2 generics that come close to it are these two... If you're not sure, do what I did get and a partial refill for 2 weeks. That way it gives you time to decide and try. With me, i need a month to decide. Now with actavis it was 4 days and i knew right then I did not like it...but go to the other medschat Rhodes threads and read all the raves. You will finally have found the best generic on the market today up with hikma brand.

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Re: megalosdog (# 8)

Picking up my Roxanne/Westward tomorrow. Had a month from hell with Sun 460's tongue and tummy torture. Amongst other horrible side effects. First time in two years felt like using every day. Those Hi Tech were pretty lousy for me too from Costco and Safeway. Very weak . So I am happy to have found the Westward again. I had them a few months back and really liked them but CV ass only had one bottle and since won't order anything but Sun anymore. No more Mylan either. I'm done with the chain pharmacies especially Wal not so smart not accepting discount coupons anymore.

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Re: Charlene (# 14)

Where are you located? I have contacted almost every local non chain pharmacy and they cannot seem to get them. My concern if I did get them and they are that much better. Then what happens when I cant get the rp b8s? I have to settle/suffer a month at least or more until they get them again? Not worth the risk. I have had too many different manufacturers these past 6 months. I found a Pharmaca pharmacy that regularly get Westward/Hikma. I would love to get Rhodes Purdue if it would be consistent. I too get 120 8mg Subutex/Buprenorphine a month paying cash with GoodRx discount is $219. I'm in San Francisco Oakland area and no luck after hours and days of searching.

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Re: Tylor (# 19)

Yes, I take 8mg buprenorphine x 4 daily... for one thing its way cheaper and I personally get the best effects from using it.. Where suboxone is more money and they have suggested is 2 x 8mg daily, but it's not up to the pharmacy or your insurance to decide how much you get...and my dr..wants me on 4 x 8mg a day. At first my insurance said they will only cover 3 a day. So they sent the dr. a prior authorization to sign and send back to the pharmacy..I just did this 2 weeks ago again because I changed pharmacies.

I have been taking subs since 2007 and I have always taken 4 a day. Only once did I have to find a new dr. He said he only gives 3 per day.. So I said ok... 8 months later I have found a dr who is fresh out of college. She told me everyone has a different metabolism, so some need basically a different dose based on what their treatment is. i.e. how long did one abuse and so on... I actually had a dr visit way back. And he said first "If you're here for buprenorphine I only give one per person"... I said this will not work....so now my new doc gives me 4 per day, my adderall 20mg x 3 day. And she just prescribed me elavil which I have never tried before. But read alot of blogs about it working....

How come you just don't take subutex? Because of the price difference? Not to mention it's almost a completely different feeling from it. That naloxone is nasty. If your dr will not prescribe it, well then it's time to find a new doc... All I did when I make my appointments because what 13 years of this.. I call tell the secretary the most important meds you're concerned with if you like make the appointment. Don't wast your money and time not knowing what to outcome will be.

And if anyone else is reading this, a new generic buprenorphine 8mg came out. Purdue makes them, Rhodes is the distributor. So they are small round white with markings RP B8 (NDC 42858-502). Wow, they are great. I started on the original brand subutex, and god they were the best, so now subutex by Rhodes. Get them, I've taken every generic out there. Oh, not to mention, but subutex has more buprenorphine in it than suboxone. It says 8.64mg equivalent to 8mg. Now one brand Mylan has 8.624mg bup equalvent to 8mg..doesn't say that on suboxone... only 8mg.. So who wouldn't prefer subutex?

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Re: Charlene (# 3)

I didn't care for all the fillers and orange flavoring of the activis brand but I felt ok on them. I would like to try the Rhodes brand but I'm not sure my CVS will say they can order them. I might have to go somewhere else to get them. I don't know if there as good as some people are saying but I miss the brand name and the old Teva brand so much I'd like to try the Rhodes Purdue ones. The worst brand I've tried several times unfortunately is the hi tech tiny arrow ones... Those things are awful, way underdosed and should be taken off the market. The sun brand is pretty bad as well. Low quality and underdosed.

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Re: Charlene (# 14)

Ur on 4 subutex a month... I thought u couldnt be on more than 3 a day? And also my insurance screwed me. They said they would only cover my suboxone pills if I got lowered in 6 months to 2 a day, so I had to do that to stay on pills bc I cant take the strips and when my insurance changed back my dr wouldnt up me back to 3 a day. How do u get 4 a day? Are they the 8mg pills?

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Re: Davidjw1 (# 13)

Well I went to the Dr. today and she contacted Pharmaca Pharmacy to order my Buprenorphine since they carry the Westward Hikma 54 411 tablets. I am also happy to say they accept drug discount cards. So if anyone is looking for the 54 411 Westward 8mg Bupes contact them Pharmaca, they are nationwide. No more CVS or Walgreens for me.

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Um id like to comment on ur post. U cant go into the dr and say u wanna detox on subutex or suboxone bc thier going to tell u to go to rehab get urself clean and then after u complete the program u can come c the dr and he or she will put u on suboxone. Mostly the strips. Some dr.S use the pills but its hard to find a dr thatll give u strips and yah subutex is way cheaper and is a better feeling but u cant be put on subutext unless ur allergic to suboxone and for some reason u cant take the strips bc I was on suboxone 4 years and now im on subutex bc I cant take the strips and insurance companys only like to cover paying for the strips. They make me sick and dizzy where I fill like I'm gonna pass out. And another reason u could get subutex if u dont have insurance to cover them bc suboxone I do believe is 14.75 a strip and the subutex are only 6 dollars each and if ur on 2 or 3 a day thats alot to pay to be on suboxone but u cant ask dr's for wat they should put u on as thats a red flag and if u ask for a medication 99% of the time u wont get wat u ask for. Thats like me going and saying "i'm on anxiety medication can u put me on xanax bars"... So dont listen to that post. U have steps u have to take but there are some dr's if u go in and say u have a problem with herion or pain pills u wish to get off them, what can u do to help... He'll either put u on suboxone strips or tell u to go to rehab then when ur done he'll treat u. I had to do that to get on them and most dr's look at suboxone as a life long medication and some look at suboxone as a 1 to 2 year medication then bring u off them but my dr looks at subutex/suboxone as a life long medication but read this post if u want the 100% truth and most dr's dont use suboxone or subutex as a pain pill. It can be used for that but originally suboxone was made for alcoholics and they found out it helps with opioid addiction so they use it for opioid addiction now but their are some dr's out there I call them quack dr's that will give u suboxone when u go in if u say the right things. Dont ever ask a dr to be put on a certain medication bc u got a 100% chance of not getting that specific medication.

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Wait a minute is the o p using Suboxone with naloxone in it or Subutex- just straight buprenorphine?

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Re: Janeway (# 5)

Tell the dr. You want to detox using buprenorphine. Subutex or suboxone..I can tell you from great experience using both of them number one subutex is WAY cheaper than suboxone..and it also feels differently..its better feeling.. if you keep asking for it for pain use they will put you on the patch. And they are buprenorphine but a a way smaller dosage compared to subs...I have been on subutex since 2007...so if you ask for subs to detox you most definitely will not be turned down..but ack for subutex is better it has no naloxone in it

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Re: Davidjw1 (# 13)

I told my mom n pop shop to order them..(Rhodes). They had them in the next day. They even called me to thank me about suggesting to order. They didn't even know they were out..kinda strange since they had been out since 2017, almost a year now. I know they sell the buprenorphine for $4 a pill w/o insurance so they can make over $2.40 per pill. I have insurance through so my 120 pills cost $45/monthly. I have one pharmacy by me that charges $3 a pill without insurance.

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Re: Bobby (# 2)

I spoke to Rhodes Purdue customer service yesterday and they said they have ample supply. It's only whether the pharmacy is willing to contact their wholesaler to order it. That's the issue not availability. I am in San Francisco area and calling around. But in person is the only way due to robberies. Over the phone doesn't work here.

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Re: Tylor (# 11)

They are subutex. The NDC # 42858-502-03 is for the 8mg Rb b8 and the 2mg NDC# is 42858-501-03 for the white to off-white marked Rb b2. I forgot to check if Rhodes has anything to do with suboxone because I don't take that one...but if you go to that site btodrems.com it has all the suboxone and subutex details listed and any information one would want to know. In all buprenorphine the main ingredient differs from one to the other. Most will say I think 8.64mg bup equivalent to 8mg. There are 2 that say only 8mg, that being the sun brand and the actavis orange half moon... They have 7 generics of bup..actavis has 8mg , hi tech has 8.64, hikma 8.64, Mylan 8.624 Rhodes 8.64, sun 8mg and teva 8.64 all say equivalent to 8mg. The only ones around me in Florida have sun, actavis, hikma and sun. I was shocked to notice I believe it was kaylan that actually had the highest amount of bup. I hope you find it. Let me know how you make out. Good luck.

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Charlene, can i ask u a question? What are the rhodes? Are they suboxone or subutex and what do they look like? I might ask my pharmacy to order me them if they're a new kind coming out.

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I only know 3 types of subutex. The small round white ones which suck, the bigger round white 54 411 subutex and the orange football shaped subutex that have a half moon on the one side. Do they make more than those 3 subutex?

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Re: Janeway (# 5)

I read half ur post and im replying to help u out. Instead of telling your dr u use suboxone for pain pills dont do that. Tell them u got addicted to opioids or pain pills and would like to take something to get off them bc u can cooperate with working and paying bills, and if u have to, tell them its hard to take care of everything when ur always getting withdrawals. Some dr's will make u go to a rehab for 3 days b4 they put u on their program but stop telling the dr u take them for pain bc their not used for pain. I know ppl that take them for pain bc they work but they're for opioid withdrawals so u gotta make it look like u got addicted to pain pills and u wanna get off them but the withdrawals are so bad.

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