Please Help Oxycodone Pain Contract Questions (Page 2)
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Im new to this whole thing and i just desperatly need some advice. Im sorry if i ramble in this post im just really upset right now :(

Im 26yrs old and currently on a pain contract. I have taken 4- 20mg oxycodone a day for 5 years due to a severe car accident I had. I will try to make my story as short as possible. I would appreciate any help any one can give me:

Yesterday I went in to get my meds refilled, I was 8 days early which is 32 pills for me. I dont know what happend. I just know their gone so im assuming they were stolen . This is not the first time this has happend. About 2 months ago some one stole 6 pills from me (which i believe was my husband as he has done this to me many times) And i told my dr what happend and he still filled script with the strict warning that if my meds were stolen again hed have to dismiss me because it is my responsibility to keep them safe. After that 1st episode I bought a RX locker from walgreens that i keep in my purse wich is on me at all times, even when I use the restroom. Well so yesterday when i went in i was terrified to tell him that i was short again. I was trying to work my way up to it by telling him that i had been in more pain this month than normal (which i actually was) Hoping that if i just told him i had to take more for my pain that it would be better than saying they were stolen since he had already warned me about that. Well he never even checked to see if i was due and just wrote my script. I was so elated since itd been 8 hours since i had my last pill and was already starting to feel the withdrawls that i just accepted the script without saying anything. On my way out i asked if i could change pharmacys because i was worried that my normal one would hassel me since they knew i had just filled on the fourth, And that was the start to a disaster.

I dropped off my script at the new pharmacy and after waiting 40 minutes they told me that they couldnt fill it because my insurance said i already had filled this month. I told them i always pay cash when im early (which i always have) And they told me: If you can afford to pay cash for your opiate but not the others than maybe we should call the company and have them do a review because you can obviously afford your own care. I couldnt beilieve they said that! I didnt know that i was doing something wrong but i guess i was :( I told them that my doc said to call them if there was a problem, which they replied that it was there decision wether they even wanted to call the dr or not and they have the right to refuse service to anyone. I was so upset that i was being treated like that but keep in mind i was already in withdrawal and im sure i did probably look like an addict. After a very heated conversation i was able to get my script back and just take it back to my normal pharmacy. But by that time they had called that pharmacy and told them about me coming there. Well they ended up filling my prescription but only for 20!! And they wrote me a note on my prescription bag that said " your doctor said to fill only 20 and to make an appointment asap!

I am so scared right now i dont know what to do! I feel like he is going to dismiss me now. Why else would he make me come back in when i was just there yesterday and only fill me 20 instead of my normal months worth. And on top of that he is the only Pain management doc within 350 miles of me. I live in a remote part of alaska :( Not only am i scared to death of having to deal with my pain without meds But if i was only out of pills for 8 hours yesterday and started getting that sick then i dont even want to imagine what will happen if he just stops them. Im just so upset because I did not go over my limit and i do not abuse my meds, SO the only thing i can think of is that my combination code was cracked while i was sleeping :(

So I guess my questions are:

1. If he dismisses me will he atleast step me down off them or do they usually just cut you off cold turkey?

2. Does anyone have any ideas on what i can say to him when i go in on thursday to try and prevent this from happening? Any ideas would help

3. Do you think his intentions are to dismiss me? Ive seen alot of people say when they were dismissed that they were notified immediatly. So Im not sure what to think. I feel like he is because why else call me right back in? But then again he did fill that 20. I know it would only be speculation but id really like to hear what people think.

4. How long do the withdrawals for oxycodone last? and how severe are they?

Im sorry for all the questions Im just unbelievably stressed right and i feel like im goin out of my mind. I have a 10 yr old and a 6yr old at home and my husband lost his job so i am the only source of income for the house and i just cant imagine having to miss work right now due to withdrawaling not to mention i just dont know if im mentally strong enough to do that right now. Im in a crappy place in my life right now and i feel like my meds are the only thing keeping me sane. I just dont know what to do. Please help

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Mike, you give permission for your drs to talk when you fill out new patient forms. Most people just don't take the time to read the fine print. There is nothing yo can do bout them talking to each other about your care.

When you fill out new patient forms you usually give permission for the new dr to get your medical records from your previous dr. You may want to get a copy of the medical records yourself to read exactly what they say about the extra rx's. You can also take your copy of medical records to your new dr. But, they will still get copies from your dr to ensure that they have all of the records.

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Hi Nicky! I'm so sorry what happened 2 u. I don't think the Dr is going 2 kick u off. I think he just have u enough until u c him or u r due 4 your next script. If he were 2 kick u off, he would have 2 wean u down. Next time, file a police report about how they were stolen. That usually helps, and, it's something u should do, 2 cover yourself. Make sure u count them at the counter, b 4 u leave the pharmacy. And maybe find a good hiding place in the house, in a lock box. Let us know how u make out.

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I am in Ohio and was on a pain contract. I thought I was out of methadone early and it wasn't in my urine. So they checked and found I had gotten 3 scripts for extras when I had notified them prior to getting them filled and gotten the ok. They called the dentist who prescribed them, and he will not prescribe me pain meds anymore. He cut me off. Neither he nor the dentist had a release of information to each other. Is there any action I can take? Should I do some research on my own? Should I call a lawyer? Also, how does one go about going to a new pain doctor, regarding former records?

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Hey Nicky, I read ur blog and can relate to what youre going thru. I am a 42 yr old male who has all knowledge regarding prescriptions, procedures and the process aspect of the nature. Unfortunately, your doc has already made the descisions to discontinue u as a patient. You have to understand that pharmacies and doctors have a whole lot of risks when prescribing class ll meds and dispensing them so therefore, they will take every measure to protect themselves from being arrested or/and losing their medical license to practice. To answer one of your questions, u stated that u started to feel wdrawls after 8 hours from.ur last dosage. Thats just the tip of the iceberg. The wdrawl symptoms will worsen and peak on ur 3rd day. The level of withdrawls are different, some worse while some maybe tolerable but bottom line, any wdrawls are not fun to deal with especially if ur employed and/or have kids. There are some loopholes that can be to our advantage but u have to know what to do and say. If there isnt another pain mgmt doc in ur area, u should try seeing a internal medicine or perhaps ur physician as they are legally able to prescribe class ll meds. If u have questions, u can reach me at: {edited for privacy}

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I am sorry john

But lorazapam is nothing compared to Xanax, or klonopin 2 milligrams, lorazapam is a nothing drug, and people who say they don't stock oxycontin that is an untruth, Walgreens has them in a lock safe, when you turn the dial of how many you may need it takes about a good, 1/2 hr. for the bottle to drop from the lock box, they even carry methadone, I know I used to get them about 3 months ago, and now I go to another pharmacy. and this new pharmacy carry all those drugs, the most drugs fo abuse are klonopin. and oxycontin

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I am a medical assistant, and after being on them for a while, they do not give anyone a euphoria at all!! I don't work anymore because of a botched back surgery, and my Dr was giving 489 10mg methadone, and muscle relaxers, and 60 20mg of oxycontin for night time, also klonopin 60 1 mg 2x;s a day and temazapam 30mg, 30 mg of them 1 a night for sleep. Unless you are taking more then you are supposed to, the contract does say he can drop u with out giving you 1 more at all, And since the DEA and the FDS are working together, it is a lot harder to get meds at all. I thank Michael Jackson, and Anna Nichole, and I am the Biggest fan of Michael's , don't get me wrong But I do think u over took because I take my 2 important meds in my purse if I leave, and I don't believe that your other 1/2 stole them not twice, sorry I just don't, but if so then you would her him in your lock box because I have one too, yes I think your DR is going to drop you and if not. u are 1 lucky girl, also in the contract it state they don't have to help wean you off, but good luck!!

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I use to be in a methadone clinic and it doesn't matter how low the dose is, it will still come up as an opiate unless its been longer than about 5 days. Unfortunately you'll probably have to start back over on waiting for your take homes. That was what happened to me unless your counselor can work some magic. Good luck and stay strong.

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Mar the problem is many of these opiate drugs give a mild euphoria / high (whatever you want to call it) to many people that contributes significantly to withdrawal symptoms. Nobody deserves to be in pain and everyone should be given adequate pain relief, but if part of the problem is the euphoria they give, that is a problem that needs addressing. The fact remains these drugs have side effects which make them so desirable to any junkie willing to get hold of them. Many pharmacies won;t even stock oxycodone because they get robbed as soon as someone knows they have it in stock. I am well aware of these issues personally. For example, I take lorazepam for anxiety, and because it is abused by some people my doctor is reluctant to give me the quantity I need to have adequate relief. So I AM well aware of the issues surrounding medications which are potentially abused. The simple fact is times are getting tougher for doctors, and the days of handing out loads of pills will soon be a thing of the past. In many countries it already is. This means patients are suffering more and more.

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John, UR additude towards a seriously, legitimately, concerned and appropriately panicked pain patient is concerning and seems to be truelly lacking in compassion. My physical health, as well as mental health is very serious, and requires treatment with a laundry list of medications and pain treatments from 4 wonderful, compassionate, dedicated and very professional doctors. I have been a chronic pain patient needing narcotic pain treatment off and on for over 13yrs. I have learned a lot about treating MY pain thru this. The most relevant thing I've learned is that my bodies response to some meds is very different then the designed purpose. Originally, I thought this was due to my diagnosis of Bi-polar causing me to have an altered brain chemistry but, thru increasedresearchI'm learning that anyone has the potential to have different medication response. That said, my comments about my treatment can not be taken as advice for others, only info for others about options that I've had certain results from. So, how is it that U feel justified in judging someone else's wthdrwl response as being a sign of addication, weakness, or some INAPPRORPRIATE medication use
R U a pain patient? From UR attitude; I don't think so? Or R U some kind of educated pain treatment specialist? Regardless, neither gives U the ability to know how ANYONE feels. Anyone who thinks because they are educated, a doctor, addiction specialist, or an addict in recovery(the worse), you still can't know another person's pain level, need for pain medication and the strength needed to make their pain managable. I am not a stuped person. I take my health very seriously and I am very proactive in the choices I make in my treatment. I am the patient and ultimately I pay the price for what goes in my body. I have numerous books on drugs, and also took a class on the physiology and pharmacology of psychoactive drugs, and fortunatly so, as 3 seperate times I've had doctors prescribe me meds that had counterindications to other meds, all which where creating eventual fatal effects. Doctor didn't catch it, pharmacy didn't catch it. I did because, I had felt sick, looked in a drug reference, and saved my own life. I consider my doctor and I to be a team. This requires my having a doctor that has respect for me as the patient, and considers my input as valid and important and to be considered when making treatment choices. I also prepare for medication crisis by taking the smallest amount of medication that I can get by on, and build up a reserve by snapping meds in have. This has saved me from me ever running out. I also us walgrens, and verify the generic I need, and that that have enough for the fill. Also, at my request, my profile includes that only I can pick-up scripts, and that I am always to be I.D.ed. No actavis oxys, I've found endocet the best for me. Check meds before leaving. Back to that wthdrwl comment, at one point in the past I was receiving oxys 10/325, 4 a day, I would go into severe wthdrwl(run for the Bthrm) every 31/2 hrs. My Dr at the time added tramadol 2, 50mgs 6x day and now, I don't have wthdrwls for 12 hrs, and can go 6hrs before needing the oxy. Research has shown that repeated wthdrwls extremly fatique the bodies stress reaction systems, making it very hard to deal with normal stress. I am so, distressed to read about these horrible issues that pain patients R having to face. How can beurocrats or anyone who has not experienced pain so bad that they just want to end it all, understand how important it is to our functioning on all levels to trust that we will at least be able receive our medication regularly. Good luck to all.
I pray that God brings U a compasionate doctor who listens to UR suffering and is willing to prescribe the medication appropriate to UR pain. Regards, Mar

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he can do that but it is cruel and mean, you can ask if he could please wean you off the medication so you don't feel withdrawal and he may do that.

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I'm sorry your going through this but if you are having withdrawals after only 8 hours, you are probably severely addicted to the oxycodone and that is not a good thing. Being mildly addicted and getting adequate pain relief is not the end of the world, but 8 hours? Something is definitely wrong. You need to talk to your pain doc asap. Let us know what happened at your appointment. Good luck.

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that is sad and I am so very sorry, Tell you pharmacy what you have and they may not treat you so rough. but it is the FDA and DEA they all got together, I think because of all the stars over dossing they decided to make it harder for people to get meds. its sad because there are people who really are suffering.

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i live in ceteral wv and am a stage 4 lung/liver cancer and have just started chemo again and am prescribed oxycodone 30 and a local leader pharmacy wont fill my meds till the 30th day even though the shape im in is it the pharmacy or state law?

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I am sorry to I am going through a similar problem my Dr dropped me after 10 yrs I was in 16-10 mg methadone a day for pain and 2- 20 mg oxycontin at night for break through pain and clonopin for stress and seizures, and temazapam for sleep, I now see a dr at Kaiser because someone said they are really easy and sympathetic, this guy I have seen 5 times he hasn't even checked me and he is weaning me off of methadone I am terrified, the pharmacist at Kaiser said he wants to see how I am doing coming off and if I don't make an appointment before the 26th he wont give me any more, any way the guy I was seeing for 10 wrote me a letter stating he is dropping me, because he isn't taking Medicare anymore but will give me all my meds 1 more time and I have to find a dr, well this dr is a quack. I don't know what to do, if you are on a contract then he can cut you off without one last refill. if not he still doesn't have to give you one more because I asked the state medical board so he may be letting you go and if so I am so sorry cuz I have a rod pins and screws in my back and the pain I awful, I was getting 480 methadone a month and 30 oxyconton a month yet I seemed out early on my methadone all the time, I don't know were you go to fill your meds but no matter now every pharmacy is hooked up to each other cuz of the new FDA law so filling it at that other pharmacy wouldn't of mattered any way cuz they would of known were you got it filled last any way, but I used to go to wall greens and the last 2 yrs they got a whole new staff in and I know they think I would not count 480 pills cuz people trust the drug store, but I think they were taking like about 30 so if you go to wall greens stop, they have been on the news here in Portland and rite aide has been too for taking medicine from people so if you go there don't any more and tell your dr you want to go else were also good luck if he does let you go then tell him you would like him to please give you at least 1 more months worth till you find a dr it is getting scarry now with all the new FDA stuff all Dr's and hospitals have computers and just look up your name and it will show who you have seen and were you have been I am so terrified good luck let us know what happens.

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Michelle & Suzette, you should start a new thread to get your questions answered faster! This thread dates back to 2011!

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I am having epideral surgery tomorro but my pain management doctor said he is letting me cold turkey after procedure......yet he wants me to keep me next appt....next month.....im on oxycodone.....i ran out.....im on 10mg....1tab every 3hrs can he do that?please help ease my mind

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Can someone please help me?! I have a script for oxycodone 30mg that I cant get filled ANYWHERE.. I live in Sevierville tn. If anyone knows of a pharmacy up here that would fill them I would greatly appreciate the help. Thanks

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Most pain doc will step you down. Somethin has to be wrong in order for him to want another visit so soon. The withdrawals you are going to have will most likely headaches, jitters, feel things run thru your veins, weakness, depression if not all ready, hardly eating at all , and very little sleep. I'm from GA. I have to get higher pain pills from off the street in order to kill my pain. I have had serval IV's in my back, three back operations where two L5 and L4 to be fused. My doc keeps me on s*** like perks 10/650 x 2daily, and OxyContin 10. It bad that you only have one pain doctor. I'm not sure if your PCP will write pain meds for you. Mine did until I had a back doctor and then pain doctor. But the FDA and DEA is cutting down hard on doctors due to increase of deaths from over dosing. For a while I use cannabis to help with the side affects since I used all mine pills up. My doctor would not call me back. I have serval back in the lower back and nerve damage were I only feel pain on the inside and nothing on the outside. My nerve pain keeps me up all night mostly. It had for me to know how much I sleep. Sometimes 20-30 naps if I feel no pain.

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Tell ur doctor he can't do that to u cuz withfrawp cam take up to 3 monthes to get over withdrawl with out any pills I take over 100 milliagrams a day and I'm not.perscribed ibhave to buy them on the street they cost 30 bucks a pill for 30 mg u get the grey pill that's 20 mgs but ur doctor won't do that he is calling u in cuz he thinks ur selling them trust me he is ganna test ur blood to see if its in ur system that's y he is calling u back in I wish I got percribed perks cuz I feel like I'm dying when I dnt have them if u got any ?s call me {edited for privacy}

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OK so before I forget, I really feel that it was the pharmacists, as this happened to me.I was having to give up my PM for financial reasons. So I went to my primary she said cuz I had medicare she was more hopeful that I would get into pain therapy. So she wrote me 10/500 viccdin, 3 a day. This Is only a portion of how much I was taking 4 Norco and 4 perc0. Vet. 10/325. SO I called her told I had been to the ER for sever headache, entirely really did go, I also told her I had been taking 4 a day and would she call in a new scrip for 4 a day, so she did. My insurance wouldn't pay I said ok I'll pay. Pharmacists says ok but i want Dr. Consent, well no problem, Dr. Consented
As Dr. Anticipated I got into PM and got chiro care going on and a trial with the 'S Contin morphine extends relief. So for first 6 weeks I'm adjusting to doses, started st 15 , 2 weeks later tell him it's not taking me to 12 hours. NO problem that's real PM. SO the same pharmacist refused to fill my 's Contin in the way it was increases. He wanted 30 days to go by before filling any new one. THen he was the one who filled the increase in vicodin. I think the pharmacist was concerned I was abusing this not having a clue about the cyst on pituitary gland smashing on my eye constant headaches and face pain. Then I have Rupturs and degenerative discs, severe L5 S1 I take my scripts across the street to different pharmacy. So yep the pharmacist called your doc.I hope you don't get fired but prepare fir the worst, but be honest , hey I think my hubby I'd takin my shot (meds) and now I'm here looking like a fool and I'm only trying yo be comfortable some relief of pain....or you might say yes I had more on this day
Like on my period straight up I take more and I tell my doc. So he's work on with me to get a perfect dose and breakthrough dose..part of being on episodes you get stereotyped

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