Percocet Generic Report On Phasing Out Opioids By The Year 2021 (Top voted first)

I got a report to read from the FDA sent from the DEA on generic Percocet from a friend's family member that works for the FDA. The report said that in their discussions they came up with a plan to stop people from dying from overdoses & addiction. Said Generic Percocet is the most abused medicine on the market. They have in place a 20% tolerance on generic pain medication and they deemed this wasn't helping the abuse of Percocet. People have been complaining in the thousands about Rhodes Pharmaceuticals and others not putting the correct amount of opioid in generic Percocet plus it seems to be making people sick.

In the report not only are they decreasing the 20%, but also adding 50% to the 20% so you're getting 70% less of the active ingredient in Rhodes/Purdue Pharmaceuticals medication. So say you're taking Rhodes generic Percocet 10mg - you're getting around 4% of the active ingredient and in the 5mg you're getting 2%. Not only are they cutting the medication your doctor prescribed but adding fillers that make your stomach hurt making people stop taking opioids altogether. This plan has a goal by the year 2021 to phase out opioids altogether with the exception of hospitals. After reading this I said this must be Trump's doing? They said look at the date. It's from the year 2014 and is an Obama administration idea, not Trump. So no matter how many complaints reports you fill out, you're wasting your time. They aren't addressing these complaints because the two agencies are in on stopping opioids by 2021. Only in America.

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Who is going to stop the heroin? That's the problem.

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Re: Lady c (# 7)

I went through same circumstance. Every month for months I’d never know what generic brand I would receive from 2014 & each one headaches, stomach issues, overwhelming fatigue as if I was being poisoned. 3mos ago I spoke to my pharmacist who then switched me permanently by noting on my account Record “MEDICALLY NECESSARY ENDOCET GENERIC PERCOCET ONLY” ENDOCET is the highest grade generic & is identical to Percocet formula as it’s made by ENDO MANUFACTURING who makes PERCOCET. I go to a non-chain family pharmacy which makes a difference in loyalty & communication. I suggest you do same as I did. I feel like “me” again AMEN!

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One recent poster said:

"You cannot take away their meds and no one wants to live in a hospital. They're not gonna take away pain meds. It's unethical."

Yes they can and they do. We're not in Kansas anymore Toto.

There is no longer any 'ethics' within the medical community when it comes to treating people who live with chronic pain. Many who have served our country and have come back wounded have been marginalized and their pain medications have been summarily taken away and very sadly many of them have committed suicide. You will not hear about them except that the medical community will try to portray them as drug addicts. The whole opioid scare is nothing but a lie that the CDC started with their report and have since backtracked from but the damage and the intended effect has been done.

I have a cervical spinal cord injury, at the very top of my spinal cord at the base of my brain. I should be dead but by the grace of God I am not. I should not be able to move, but again, by the grace of God I can. However, I do have constant pain that increases by audio and visual stimuli in my environment that excites my sympathetic nervous system.

It is from a well-documented, congenital vascular malformation, that has bled numerous times since my teen years. In 2011 it bled and cause me to be tetraplegic for a week and slowly I regained movement, first on the left side then more slowly, with therapy the right. I am spastic and weak on my right side and my left side has no feeling - hot/cold, wet/dry, pain.

I had been taking hydrocodone and morphine at the same exact levels since early 2012 until Oct 2017. I never went to any other doctor, never filled a script for anything other than what was prescribed by my PCP. Never filled an Rx early, went to only one pharmacy. Peed in a cup nearly every time I had to go get my Rx paper, subjected myself to sit there while they counted my pills to make sure I had the correct amount and so much more demeaning, dehumanizing treatment, from the girl who answers the phone to the Ameritox lab technician. (A conflict of interest per a Federal Court, but that’s a whole other story of corruption down another rabbit trail, Alice.)

So on Oct 4th 2017, I went for my, pee in a cup - count your pills health-Scare appointment (they never ask about my health, only about my pills) subjecting myself to be treated like a criminal, an addict, a low-life worthless person. Don’t dare ask any questions that point out their lack of actual healthcare or knowledge about your particular health issues or concerns, that just makes them defensive.

They marginalize, stigmatize and humiliate patients so that they can feel self-righteous when they mistreat people. If they claim, in their vaunted medical OPINION, that you are a problem, an addict an abuser, etc. then they can mistreat you in the name of medical care.

After being interrogated, evaluated, accused and treated like a convict and waiting for three hours, when I was the 2nd appointment of the day, I had the audacity to ask if my Rx scripts had been printed and were ready, I was dressed down in the lobby of the clinic by the nurse who told me loudly that “If I didn’t like waiting...” that she would not give me “your drugs”. Now who is it that has turned opioid treatment therapy into nothing more than a drug-pusher type of transaction?

BTW, this is the same nurse who, just that morning, I had overheard laughing with another employee about how she was looking forward to cutting off so and so patient - but would wait until 9 AM to do so and when that patient had a problem with it how she was going to relish telling her off. It made me sick to my stomach. Even if, and that is a BIG IF, that patient was an abuser, that does not call for such glee and laughter among these so-called professionals.

I was stressed for days leading up to these impending inquisitions, knowing the inhumane treatment, the marginalization and stigmatization I would have to endure that I stood still for a moment and a clarity hit me that comes from no longer being afraid, and I looked her in the eyes and asked, "Why are you people like this?" I then turned and walked out of the clinic.

A week later I got a letter that said I should seek medical help for my drug addiction and hinted at mental issues. They labeled me a drug addict! I WALKED OUT! I choose to no longer subject myself to their beyond evil treatment but they get to continue to label and marginalize and destroy lives because they have a degree that says they sat through two years of courses at the local community college and got a BA in nursing or something.

That is correct, they are NOT medical doctors. My MD at the clinic sent me to them, the vaunted “Pain Management” portion of the same clinic to get pain medicine because the clinic doesn’t want to put their MD’s at risk with the DEA for writing Rx’s for pain medications.

So I am now living in great pain, I am back to having to walk with my walker, something I haven't had to do since late 2012. My quality of life has been greatly impacted for the worse, but according to the medical community, I got what I deserved, I am an addict.

How many truly addicted drug addicts walk away from a drug supply? How many drug addicts have the behavior I claim above?

As horrible as the physical pain is and how much harder it is for me to move about now, I will never return to the medical community, sans an ER doctor if I ever have an accident, as they actually do try to help people. I am no longer a puppet for them to play their masochistic games with.

Even within the constant pain I have my dignity, I have peace of mind, I am a child of God, a follower of Jesus Christ and I will no longer sully the body of Christ by willingly subjecting myself to these Godless, soulless people.

Jesus said, These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. John 16:33

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Re: Roy (# 1)

Hi Roy, this report was not meant for the public to see. As I said I got to see this from a friend's family member that works for the FDA. I asked if I could print a copy of this and was told he would lose his job plus think what repercussions would be if the FDA & DEA got caught tampering with pain medication. But it's true that your pain medication is being decreased to stop overdoses and addiction but breaking the law doing it. Maybe there's a law to start lowering opioids in pain medication. But with all the complaints and sickness happening by taking generic Percocet, it adds up that the FDA & DEA are working on this because nothing is being done. This is wrong but what can you do. Would have loved to have made a copy of that report but even with that nothing would happen in these dark days in America

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Re: Happy Man (# 4)

All I can say is that it said it was a discussion between the two agencies. I have no reason to lie. Just wait and see what's going to happen in the next couple of years. Thanks for voicing your opinion.

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Re: Tommy (# 14)

I do know I've been pain management for 9 years and my Dr don't know anything about new laws other than I know in TN all cvs r giving a 7 day supply no matter if u have a 30 day. Not going change anything other than go to another pharmacy.

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Re: Happy Man (# 6)

Once again, enough with the freaking pill crackdown. All computers are linked. Problems have been solved already. Now people like me are for the first time not able to work or deal with the extreme pain. Just watch the ssi applications grow like crazy!! The freaking stupid politicians who started this epidemic should work on the illicit drug epidemic they now started.

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Hi Tommy - Is there any way that you can dig up a link to the article you are referring to, or any other details from the FDA or DEA .gov sites? I tried searching myself but all I found was some information from June of this year, stating that the FDA is making Endo Pharmaceuticals pull Opana ER off the market [1]. Although I do agree with the overall theme of what you are saying since there is also information out there about how the DEA is aiming to reduce the production of opioids by 25% starting in 2017 [2].

If you could please add any other details from their official sites it would be very helpful and give all of us something more to chew on.

[1] https:/­/­www.fda.gov/­newsevents/­newsroom/­pressannouncements/­ucm562401.htm
[2] https:/­/­www.dea.gov/­divisions/­hq/­2016/­hq100416.shtml

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Re: Diane (# 8)

Please don't pay any attention to Happy Man, sounds very bitter. Bitter Man should be his name. Must have gotten kicked out of his pain clinic for abuse of the medicine he was prescribed. Mad at the world

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Re: Kim P (# 22)

Ahhh, You are so right..We get Labeled! They switched me from Oxycodone 30 mg to Methadone 10 mg... I am a diabetic with serious Neuropathy..had ulcer on bottom of foot, they amputated my toe & sanded Amp site & ulcer also took bone spur off heel. Also had back surgery that went wrong. I have osteoarthritis, osteopenia, bone spurs, herniated discs, pinched nerves, etc. Every surgery I get scar tissue so walking is painful & balance is off. I hurt my opposite ankle & it's been 10 months of walking with foot at 45° angle & new Dr. Says in Nov. Well check it out..(we'll see)..I wobble & fell backwards 2 months ago & split my arm & wrist & just got 4 pins & metal bar off. New Dr. Cut me from 3 to 2 Methadones a day & at times, I still need 3, so I suffer a couple days without. & Now he stopped my muscle relaxers..boy there is NO EMPATHY...As they don't suffer with pain & spasms! I've Suffering from Anxiety & occ panic attacks but, afraid to ask for anything. When I asked Dr. Why he cut me down he said " DEA Watching" Lol.. Sad Ppl with Chronic pain are LABELED! Went to ER & said I was on Methadone & got a dirty look from Dr. Said there PRESCRIBED for Me! I felt like a piece of Crap! I'm on Disability, as I had injuries at 18 & 21, I recovered & was a nurse & lifted a patient & pain went from a burning neck to a ruptured Thoracic & Lumbar. I'm 61 now & Am an Addict, Not by Choice..by Life! When pain meds are cut for ppl who really need them, yes there will be more suicides. I've heard ppl say, go to rehab.. That's great..The pain will still be there..due to injuries! You are so right Pam...The more pain, the more quality of life diminishes..Sad that we have to suffer! Your article is Sooo true, We're belittled, looked down upon for something we can't control! Thank you for listening, most ppl don't understand or care. Hope you find another Dr. You shouldn't have to suffer. Take Care. I understand.

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Tommy (# 32) --

I see, so you've made a determination that I am a liar and so are people who claim to like the taste of beer. I will allow you the courtesy to be welcome to your opinion, although you are apparently not tolerant of others who have an opinion (about beer) or an experience (chronic intractable pain) that is different from yours.

Not everyone who drinks beer gets drunk or high and people with chronic intractable pain don't get euphoria, let alone addicted.

In 2008 there was a study that compiled stats from 67 different studies on Chronic Pain Patients (CPPs) who were on Chronic Opioid Analgesic Therapy (COAT) looking for the prevalence of abuse/addiction and aberrant drug-related behaviors (ADRBs).

Here’s the results: Of the 67 reports, 24 of them were geared towards ADRBs with 2,507 CPPs exposed for a calculated abuse/addiction rate of 3.27%. Within this grouping for those studies that had pre-selected CPPs for COAT exposure with no previous or current history of abuse/addiction, the percentage of abuse/addiction was calculated at 0.19%.

Huh, not even 1/4 of 1%, how can that be? But, but we have an Rx epidemic says the CDC! Oh, but then they backtracked and admitted they lied and relied on faulty data and that the figures also included street drugs, not Rx scripts. But that admission wasn't picked up by the MSM because that doesn't fit with the paradigm, the desire to have a group of people that it is OK to marginalize and stigmatize so that the rest of the people can feel superior to those weak minded, weak willed, morally bankrupt addicts.

If you read my first response in this thread you will see that I turned and walked away from the marginalization, oppression and maltreatment now being dispensed at pain management clinics if you are unfortunate enough to have chronic pain but not the medical equivalent of a death sentence, i.e. cancer to go with the pain.

How many addicts walk away from a "drug supply"? (The term used by the 'professionals' at the pain management clinic.) You can call me a liar again if you wish, but tell me this... what's in it for me to write and share my experience out here? There is no upside for me. Why subject myself to more intolerance, marginalization and to be called a liar? I'm not searching for a way to get opioids or any other scripts or drugs. I've totally walked away from the medical community, as I've experienced enough of their incompetence. I'm not asking people to write to their useless congressmen. Nope. None of that.

I openly shared my experience in the hopes that maybe some other unfortunate soul out there may someday find my words and not feel so alone, so forsaken. Maybe it will give them something to think about for a moment, maybe it will in some small way, if even for only a few moments alleviate some of their misery.

I hope you never find yourself with intractable pain and in need of ongoing pain medication beyond a hospital stay.

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Re: Happy Man (# 6)

SORRY, IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED... I GET MORE PAIN RELIEF FROM THE GENERIC NORCO ,( MY OLD PRESCRIPTION) THAN MY PRESCRIBED MEDICINE "PERCOCET", 10MG.325 AMNEAL, IP 204 (IMPRINT)

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Re: karol (# 15)

I just think this is the beginning of the end. I hope I'm wrong and it's nothing to this & like you said it's not for ppl already getting meds but new ones, I think? But I'll never go to CVS even for batteries, they are just a drugstore among many to choose from. I've never used CVS except for getting film developed, & u know how long that's been since we used film to take pictures. Thanks

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Re: Roy (# 1)

I read a story on Wikipedia about Purdue/Rhodes Pharmaceuticals tampering with opioid deterrents in their generic percocet and other medicine. In the Wikipedia search, put "Purdue Pharma L P 2007" and read about it. I've searched Wikipedia and had documents saying this but couldn't release it to the public. But I found a 2007 document about this problem because Rhodes is owned by Purdue Pharmaceuticals and their Percocet are making ppl sick because these ppl are adding and tampering with their Percocet generic medicine.

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Hi Tommy (# 25) --

When you said: "You'll get pain medication but without the high of opioid medication. It'll relieve ur pain without the high."

I have only one question, what "high"? I have never felt a "high" from the opioids I was prescribed. I had been taking 180 MG Morphine ER + 45 MG Morphine IR daily for over 6 years.

Pain is a natural antagonist to the 'getting high' properties of drugs. It is basic cause and effect.

I have, (long ago, before the bleed in 2011) felt a "high" from a glass of wine but I have never felt a high from the opioids I was prescribed. What I did feel was the deadening of the 'sharpness' of the pain from my damaged cervical spinal cord, which lowered my pain level to a more manageable level, but I have never felt close to comfortable or normal again.

I knew that the medication would never be able to take away all the pain, hence I never asked for an increase in dose for those 6 years, which I was on from within 2 months of the bleed and the subsequent cervical spinal cord damage.

Now that I am no longer taking the Morphine and my CNS is no longer being deadened, my quality of life has plummeted. I spend most of my time in bed now, in extreme pain wishing to sleep for more than 20 to 40 minutes at a time.

With each spastic and weakened step I take to simply get to the restroom - that reverberates and sends a blaring shock of pain up through my spinal cord into my throbbing and pressure filled skull - I have vivid memories of the days not that long ago when I had opioid therapy, although still in moderate pain, that allowed me to care for myself and be productive in my home.

It is always the same story, the bad apples spoil the whole bunch. But what is most maddening is that the people in the medical community, who 1) claim to have PhD's and medical degrees from their advanced education and 2) claim to have the desire to lessen human suffering - display neither, no common sense nor compassion. What they do display is a lock-step, almost sycophantic willingness to throw CPP's under the bus to preserve their own self interests and not even bother to ask simple, basic questions about the falsely created opioid epidemic by the CDC.

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Can anyone who has had the sick issue with Rhodes, advise me on how to get another script from pm, so I can go get pills that don't make me sick? I'm stuck with 75 of these. I just got them. Can't go thru a month of this. Please, someone tell me what can be done. I know this is in the pmp database. How do they make the exception? - "People who have already done this".

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Re: Happy Man (# 9)

Happy Man you don't sound to happy, ever. I think ur the one is full of crap. Stop downing ppl for giving their opinions. Move on to another forum we don't need ur input if ur gonna act like a know it all. Thanks

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Re: Happy Man (# 13)

Ok and you act like ur name, Happy Man. Just sayin ease up a little on these folks.

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Hmmmm, ok. Please don't give any credence to these or any report. Yea there going to be no opiate pain killers except for hospitals is the most untrue statement I have ever heard.

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Re: Donna (# 24)

What the frack! We have representatives but they do not represent us. We pay taxes and we pay doctors to manage our pain. Why do we pay all these people? We have no voice. We have no rights. We have pain. We must be mistaken cause no one hears us. The Veterans Administration hooked me on opiates. For years I controlled my decency but VA would rather throw pain pills at me instead of treating me. Now, I still have the same problems but now my dependency has turned into an addiction and VA cause of public outcry won't prescribe pain pills. I have no voice, just an urge that is getting harder and harder to quit. The only ones happy about all this is the CIA with tons and tons of Afghanistan opium. Don't believe me? Watch the true story of a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist who exposes the CIA drug running and formulating crack to get a rich man's drug into the ghettos and their public apology to East LA.

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