Percocet Generic Report On Phasing Out Opioids By The Year 2021 (Page 2)

I got a report to read from the FDA sent from the DEA on generic Percocet from a friend's family member that works for the FDA. The report said that in their discussions they came up with a plan to stop people from dying from overdoses & addiction. Said Generic Percocet is the most abused medicine on the market. They have in place a 20% tolerance on generic pain medication and they deemed this wasn't helping the abuse of Percocet. People have been complaining in the thousands about Rhodes Pharmaceuticals and others not putting the correct amount of opioid in generic Percocet plus it seems to be making people sick.

In the report not only are they decreasing the 20%, but also adding 50% to the 20% so you're getting 70% less of the active ingredient in Rhodes/Purdue Pharmaceuticals medication. So say you're taking Rhodes generic Percocet 10mg - you're getting around 4% of the active ingredient and in the 5mg you're getting 2%. Not only are they cutting the medication your doctor prescribed but adding fillers that make your stomach hurt making people stop taking opioids altogether. This plan has a goal by the year 2021 to phase out opioids altogether with the exception of hospitals. After reading this I said this must be Trump's doing? They said look at the date. It's from the year 2014 and is an Obama administration idea, not Trump. So no matter how many complaints reports you fill out, you're wasting your time. They aren't addressing these complaints because the two agencies are in on stopping opioids by 2021. Only in America.

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Re: Happy Man (# 12)

Not all users are abusers and Oxycontin is THE most abused drug. While it's a form of Percocet, it's Extended Release and far more dangerous. I'm disabled and on low dose hydrocodone. Percocet makes me hallucinate, have sleep paralysis and makes me sick as a dog. Hydrocodone works better and less likely to be abused but you have to treat those with chronic pain. You cannot take away their meds and no one wants to live in a hospital. They're not gonna take away pain meds. It's unethical. Think about new cancer patients or those with debilitating diseases, broken legs, backs, etc. GET REAL. We need to stop ILLEGAL use, not legal use. The laws in place make it hard enough to get new people hooked. Oh, and if one CVS does something, all of them must so that's a blatant lie as I use CVS. However, I've gotten Rx's filled that made me sick so my pharmacy sticks with a good brand.

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One recent poster said:

"You cannot take away their meds and no one wants to live in a hospital. They're not gonna take away pain meds. It's unethical."

Yes they can and they do. We're not in Kansas anymore Toto.

There is no longer any 'ethics' within the medical community when it comes to treating people who live with chronic pain. Many who have served our country and have come back wounded have been marginalized and their pain medications have been summarily taken away and very sadly many of them have committed suicide. You will not hear about them except that the medical community will try to portray them as drug addicts. The whole opioid scare is nothing but a lie that the CDC started with their report and have since backtracked from but the damage and the intended effect has been done.

I have a cervical spinal cord injury, at the very top of my spinal cord at the base of my brain. I should be dead but by the grace of God I am not. I should not be able to move, but again, by the grace of God I can. However, I do have constant pain that increases by audio and visual stimuli in my environment that excites my sympathetic nervous system.

It is from a well-documented, congenital vascular malformation, that has bled numerous times since my teen years. In 2011 it bled and cause me to be tetraplegic for a week and slowly I regained movement, first on the left side then more slowly, with therapy the right. I am spastic and weak on my right side and my left side has no feeling - hot/cold, wet/dry, pain.

I had been taking hydrocodone and morphine at the same exact levels since early 2012 until Oct 2017. I never went to any other doctor, never filled a script for anything other than what was prescribed by my PCP. Never filled an Rx early, went to only one pharmacy. Peed in a cup nearly every time I had to go get my Rx paper, subjected myself to sit there while they counted my pills to make sure I had the correct amount and so much more demeaning, dehumanizing treatment, from the girl who answers the phone to the Ameritox lab technician. (A conflict of interest per a Federal Court, but that’s a whole other story of corruption down another rabbit trail, Alice.)

So on Oct 4th 2017, I went for my, pee in a cup - count your pills health-Scare appointment (they never ask about my health, only about my pills) subjecting myself to be treated like a criminal, an addict, a low-life worthless person. Don’t dare ask any questions that point out their lack of actual healthcare or knowledge about your particular health issues or concerns, that just makes them defensive.

They marginalize, stigmatize and humiliate patients so that they can feel self-righteous when they mistreat people. If they claim, in their vaunted medical OPINION, that you are a problem, an addict an abuser, etc. then they can mistreat you in the name of medical care.

After being interrogated, evaluated, accused and treated like a convict and waiting for three hours, when I was the 2nd appointment of the day, I had the audacity to ask if my Rx scripts had been printed and were ready, I was dressed down in the lobby of the clinic by the nurse who told me loudly that “If I didn’t like waiting...” that she would not give me “your drugs”. Now who is it that has turned opioid treatment therapy into nothing more than a drug-pusher type of transaction?

BTW, this is the same nurse who, just that morning, I had overheard laughing with another employee about how she was looking forward to cutting off so and so patient - but would wait until 9 AM to do so and when that patient had a problem with it how she was going to relish telling her off. It made me sick to my stomach. Even if, and that is a BIG IF, that patient was an abuser, that does not call for such glee and laughter among these so-called professionals.

I was stressed for days leading up to these impending inquisitions, knowing the inhumane treatment, the marginalization and stigmatization I would have to endure that I stood still for a moment and a clarity hit me that comes from no longer being afraid, and I looked her in the eyes and asked, "Why are you people like this?" I then turned and walked out of the clinic.

A week later I got a letter that said I should seek medical help for my drug addiction and hinted at mental issues. They labeled me a drug addict! I WALKED OUT! I choose to no longer subject myself to their beyond evil treatment but they get to continue to label and marginalize and destroy lives because they have a degree that says they sat through two years of courses at the local community college and got a BA in nursing or something.

That is correct, they are NOT medical doctors. My MD at the clinic sent me to them, the vaunted “Pain Management” portion of the same clinic to get pain medicine because the clinic doesn’t want to put their MD’s at risk with the DEA for writing Rx’s for pain medications.

So I am now living in great pain, I am back to having to walk with my walker, something I haven't had to do since late 2012. My quality of life has been greatly impacted for the worse, but according to the medical community, I got what I deserved, I am an addict.

How many truly addicted drug addicts walk away from a drug supply? How many drug addicts have the behavior I claim above?

As horrible as the physical pain is and how much harder it is for me to move about now, I will never return to the medical community, sans an ER doctor if I ever have an accident, as they actually do try to help people. I am no longer a puppet for them to play their masochistic games with.

Even within the constant pain I have my dignity, I have peace of mind, I am a child of God, a follower of Jesus Christ and I will no longer sully the body of Christ by willingly subjecting myself to these Godless, soulless people.

Jesus said, These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. John 16:33

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I am in pain every day and was told that I Ave rhumatoid arthritis and fibromyalga and am allergic and have side affects to multiple medications so they decided to take me off my medications now I I am mostly a couch potato,I was taking oxycodone and was just beginning to feel able to function normally I also was on tramadol and now they say they can't treat me for pain,but they will still accept me as a patient,

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Re: Kim P (# 22)

Ahhh, You are so right..We get Labeled! They switched me from Oxycodone 30 mg to Methadone 10 mg... I am a diabetic with serious Neuropathy..had ulcer on bottom of foot, they amputated my toe & sanded Amp site & ulcer also took bone spur off heel. Also had back surgery that went wrong. I have osteoarthritis, osteopenia, bone spurs, herniated discs, pinched nerves, etc. Every surgery I get scar tissue so walking is painful & balance is off. I hurt my opposite ankle & it's been 10 months of walking with foot at 45° angle & new Dr. Says in Nov. Well check it out..(we'll see)..I wobble & fell backwards 2 months ago & split my arm & wrist & just got 4 pins & metal bar off. New Dr. Cut me from 3 to 2 Methadones a day & at times, I still need 3, so I suffer a couple days without. & Now he stopped my muscle relaxers..boy there is NO EMPATHY...As they don't suffer with pain & spasms! I've Suffering from Anxiety & occ panic attacks but, afraid to ask for anything. When I asked Dr. Why he cut me down he said " DEA Watching" Lol.. Sad Ppl with Chronic pain are LABELED! Went to ER & said I was on Methadone & got a dirty look from Dr. Said there PRESCRIBED for Me! I felt like a piece of Crap! I'm on Disability, as I had injuries at 18 & 21, I recovered & was a nurse & lifted a patient & pain went from a burning neck to a ruptured Thoracic & Lumbar. I'm 61 now & Am an Addict, Not by Choice..by Life! When pain meds are cut for ppl who really need them, yes there will be more suicides. I've heard ppl say, go to rehab.. That's great..The pain will still be there..due to injuries! You are so right Pam...The more pain, the more quality of life diminishes..Sad that we have to suffer! Your article is Sooo true, We're belittled, looked down upon for something we can't control! Thank you for listening, most ppl don't understand or care. Hope you find another Dr. You shouldn't have to suffer. Take Care. I understand.

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Re: H ROSEN MD PA (# 20)

Don't believe me, but Trump said what I've been saying. He's an ***** but he said I'm going to get my ppl to work on a non addictive pain medication. He went on to say these opioids have to go. So he backed up what I've been trying to tell you. There will be pain medication but it's not going to be an opioid pain medication. Again, not an opioid pain medication. You'll get pain medication but without the high of opioid medication. It'll relieve ur pain without the high. I'm sure opioids will be around for cancer patients but opioids are coming to an end. Sorry.

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Re: Donna (# 24)

What the frack! We have representatives but they do not represent us. We pay taxes and we pay doctors to manage our pain. Why do we pay all these people? We have no voice. We have no rights. We have pain. We must be mistaken cause no one hears us. The Veterans Administration hooked me on opiates. For years I controlled my decency but VA would rather throw pain pills at me instead of treating me. Now, I still have the same problems but now my dependency has turned into an addiction and VA cause of public outcry won't prescribe pain pills. I have no voice, just an urge that is getting harder and harder to quit. The only ones happy about all this is the CIA with tons and tons of Afghanistan opium. Don't believe me? Watch the true story of a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist who exposes the CIA drug running and formulating crack to get a rich man's drug into the ghettos and their public apology to East LA.

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Re: Happy Man (# 6)

Once again, enough with the freaking pill crackdown. All computers are linked. Problems have been solved already. Now people like me are for the first time not able to work or deal with the extreme pain. Just watch the ssi applications grow like crazy!! The freaking stupid politicians who started this epidemic should work on the illicit drug epidemic they now started.

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Re: Tommy (# 25)

Ok, what ever you all say, I know you are all scared and I understand it. The fact is yes in mnany areas it a lot harder to obtain your meds but untill there is a non opiate pain relievers invented there will and even after that will be opiates. Don't believe me but we are a very far away from a medication that can do what opiates do for moderate to moderately severe pain and above.

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That 20% tolerance in difference of potencies between name brand in generic means that the generic 5mg Oxycodone (for example) could be up to 20% stronger, or 20% weaker than the roxis. And I don’t think it’s actually 20%. The number used to be lower. I dated a man who owned a chain of pain clinics and he hated generics for that reason. It doesn’t always mean they are weaker, though I can’t think of a time when I’ve thought they were stronger. If I misunderstood you and you were saying that they’re secretly reducing the amount of oxycodone in the Percocet, I’m sorry. And by Percocet you mean the actual oxy/acetaminophen pill, not the plain oxycodones? That seems odd.

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That's not fair, this is america the land of the free. How can they stop making a medication that works so good for chronic and severe pain? We should get rid of the dea and fda. These people who abuse pain medication and the people who have no chronic pain problems but take it to try to feel high are the ones making these medications look bad. Trust me, if they take generic opiates of the market, I will sit back and laugh when it backfires on them. You're going to have more people who are on the (medication) with legit chronic and severe pain look for pain relief they need. So they might start using illicit drugs and the *****s who have no legit reason to take the medication will start using more illicit drugs than they are taking now. Your going to have more deaths and people overdosing. We need to get together and speak out and stop the dea and fda from trying to stop pharmaceutical companies (land of the free) from being able to make these pain medications that work so well when taken properly. Are we becoming a communist country? What's next, they're going to stop candy companies from making candy because people are getting fat and have health problems from eating to much candy?

I would love to be able to have a debate with the dea or fda on what gives them the right to stop a company that a lot of chronic and severe pain sufferers rely on who need this medication. They do not tell you the truth on the news and in the paper. They say these people are overdosing on pain meds (no!!!!). They are overdosing on illicit drugs. But the family members of that person who overdosed are embarrassed. So they make sure the news or newspaper says it was pain meds. Wake up america!!! They already took away so many other products that helped people who took them the proper way. Why should the responsible people (suffer) because of these *****s who are using things that they have no legit reason to use. I challenge the dea or fda to a debate. Lets find out the truth about whats really going on. Wake up people. If you suffer from chronic and severe pain. They want to ignore the declaration of independence and start telling companies and (people) what you can and can not do!! Speak up, and speak up like a proud american who used to have the freedom of our forefathers who fought so hard for our freedom of speech, and just the freedom to live in a free country which is now being controlled by certain people. Do not be afraid to speak out as loud as you can, you should not feel like you are being judged. Lets make america ours again!!!

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Re: Tommy (# 19)

I am the one that told you opiods are being phased out....LMAO!! I called you out on your lie that the FDA is colluding with pharma companies and lowering the dosages in our meds.

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Hi Tommy (# 25) --

When you said: "You'll get pain medication but without the high of opioid medication. It'll relieve ur pain without the high."

I have only one question, what "high"? I have never felt a "high" from the opioids I was prescribed. I had been taking 180 MG Morphine ER + 45 MG Morphine IR daily for over 6 years.

Pain is a natural antagonist to the 'getting high' properties of drugs. It is basic cause and effect.

I have, (long ago, before the bleed in 2011) felt a "high" from a glass of wine but I have never felt a high from the opioids I was prescribed. What I did feel was the deadening of the 'sharpness' of the pain from my damaged cervical spinal cord, which lowered my pain level to a more manageable level, but I have never felt close to comfortable or normal again.

I knew that the medication would never be able to take away all the pain, hence I never asked for an increase in dose for those 6 years, which I was on from within 2 months of the bleed and the subsequent cervical spinal cord damage.

Now that I am no longer taking the Morphine and my CNS is no longer being deadened, my quality of life has plummeted. I spend most of my time in bed now, in extreme pain wishing to sleep for more than 20 to 40 minutes at a time.

With each spastic and weakened step I take to simply get to the restroom - that reverberates and sends a blaring shock of pain up through my spinal cord into my throbbing and pressure filled skull - I have vivid memories of the days not that long ago when I had opioid therapy, although still in moderate pain, that allowed me to care for myself and be productive in my home.

It is always the same story, the bad apples spoil the whole bunch. But what is most maddening is that the people in the medical community, who 1) claim to have PhD's and medical degrees from their advanced education and 2) claim to have the desire to lessen human suffering - display neither, no common sense nor compassion. What they do display is a lock-step, almost sycophantic willingness to throw CPP's under the bus to preserve their own self interests and not even bother to ask simple, basic questions about the falsely created opioid epidemic by the CDC.

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Kim P (# 31) --

That reminds me of people that drink beer say they drink it because it taste good. I'll leave it at that

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I am in PM for years due to spinal fusions, failed. I went to pickup my Percocet 5mg at CVS today and asked if Rhodes/Purdue was the supplier. If it wasn't for this initial post I would have taken the Rx but I asked for another brand. CVS uses Rhodes as their supplier. THANK YOU for the original post and saving me a lot of issues with the Rhodes branding.

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Kim P (# 31) --

I am so sorry to hear of your pain. I also suffer from pain from degenerative joint disease. All of my joints from neck to hands and shoulders to toes back included are painful all the time. I have been on hydrocodone for about 32 years and have tried everything else along with it or in place of it. I now am on hydrocodone 10/325 and Hysingla 30 along with Gabapentin 60. This combo seems to work for me most of the time. I go from a pain level of about 7 to 9 during the day with a 9 in the late afternoon. After all these years and all the changes in Meds I have NEVER experienced a “high” from them. From alcohol to marijuana I know what a high can be but not from my Meds. I often think about the quality of my life and definitely know if it were not for my Meds I would not be here today. My heart goes out to you with hopes and prayers that you will find a Doctor willing to work with you to control your pain. I am blessed to have a pain specialist that listens to me and works with me to try and control my pain within boundaries. I am 72 and just had a triple bypass. The pain afterwards was awful combined with my normal pain but I made it through without increasing too much and returned to my routine within a month. My life is not great but I can live with it. I should add that I have early stage Alzheimers with it progressing faster now. Such is life.

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Tommy (# 32) --

I see, so you've made a determination that I am a liar and so are people who claim to like the taste of beer. I will allow you the courtesy to be welcome to your opinion, although you are apparently not tolerant of others who have an opinion (about beer) or an experience (chronic intractable pain) that is different from yours.

Not everyone who drinks beer gets drunk or high and people with chronic intractable pain don't get euphoria, let alone addicted.

In 2008 there was a study that compiled stats from 67 different studies on Chronic Pain Patients (CPPs) who were on Chronic Opioid Analgesic Therapy (COAT) looking for the prevalence of abuse/addiction and aberrant drug-related behaviors (ADRBs).

Here’s the results: Of the 67 reports, 24 of them were geared towards ADRBs with 2,507 CPPs exposed for a calculated abuse/addiction rate of 3.27%. Within this grouping for those studies that had pre-selected CPPs for COAT exposure with no previous or current history of abuse/addiction, the percentage of abuse/addiction was calculated at 0.19%.

Huh, not even 1/4 of 1%, how can that be? But, but we have an Rx epidemic says the CDC! Oh, but then they backtracked and admitted they lied and relied on faulty data and that the figures also included street drugs, not Rx scripts. But that admission wasn't picked up by the MSM because that doesn't fit with the paradigm, the desire to have a group of people that it is OK to marginalize and stigmatize so that the rest of the people can feel superior to those weak minded, weak willed, morally bankrupt addicts.

If you read my first response in this thread you will see that I turned and walked away from the marginalization, oppression and maltreatment now being dispensed at pain management clinics if you are unfortunate enough to have chronic pain but not the medical equivalent of a death sentence, i.e. cancer to go with the pain.

How many addicts walk away from a "drug supply"? (The term used by the 'professionals' at the pain management clinic.) You can call me a liar again if you wish, but tell me this... what's in it for me to write and share my experience out here? There is no upside for me. Why subject myself to more intolerance, marginalization and to be called a liar? I'm not searching for a way to get opioids or any other scripts or drugs. I've totally walked away from the medical community, as I've experienced enough of their incompetence. I'm not asking people to write to their useless congressmen. Nope. None of that.

I openly shared my experience in the hopes that maybe some other unfortunate soul out there may someday find my words and not feel so alone, so forsaken. Maybe it will give them something to think about for a moment, maybe it will in some small way, if even for only a few moments alleviate some of their misery.

I hope you never find yourself with intractable pain and in need of ongoing pain medication beyond a hospital stay.

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Re: Kim P (# 36)

I'm in chronic pain and have had every MRI, CT scans, and all other tests needed for my first back surgery coming up this month and then neck surgery and had to go through hell to even find a new Dr (42 to be exact) when mine moved and only get half of my scripts. I have all my records and not one Dr has looked at them only the medicine I'm on. I'm disabled but now I really have no quality of life and have to just lay in bed with my heating pad. I would love to be able to look up all of our senators (to begin with) background history to see how many of them are on opioids, been on opioids, etc. I'll bet we could really some good dirt on them and something to run with. Opioids have been around and thoroughly tested the whole amount of years that was required. Now there just putting stuff on the market that has not thoroughly been tested and causing death over the years. It's all about money while they don't care if you die. Matter of fact, that's probably what they want.

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I have several chronic pain conditions including Crohn's disease. Over the years (and years ago) my G.I. specialists have offered pain medication which I always turned down. I was hoping to not have to take any medication every day... maybe when I get old I would tell them. Now I am retired and have even more chronic pain conditions that really affect my quality of life so I asked my doctor for a low dose pain medication, not for every day but only for the bad days.

I was thinking 5mg. Hydrocodone, maybe 10 or 15 a month. She said that doctors don't prescribe pain meds for chronic pain anymore unless it is cancer and that I should ask my G.I. specialist which I did and she told me to ask my doctor as they don't prescribe pain meds at all. Now this might only be for my state (Washington) but I am not having any luck at all and am very frustrated. I feel when you reach 70 yrs. old and have a lot of documented painful conditions, a little bit of low dose pain medication for the bad days is very reasonable... Why should I have to suffer in the time I have left? And people who have been receiving pain meds for a long time are exempt from this new law and there are two people just on my block alone who sell their break-through meds and one even has the same doctor as I. It's easy for them to sell their break-through meds because they still pass their U/A without having the break-through medicine in their system. I believe what Tommy is saying and think it is already happening in Washington state.

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Re: karol (# 15)

The 7 day limit is for Acute Pain and for patients prescribed opiates for the first time. Some states have new laws regarding this, but not all states. I do not know about Tennessee. The info in the link below goes into Tennessee Laws.

tn.gov/health/article/pdo-laws-policies

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Re: FREEDOM (# 30)

So are they doing away with opioids? My Dr says no. If so, it's bs, as for us that don't misuse them. They need to look at illicit drugs. No, they want to see what they want to see and yes I agree, there will be more deaths when taken away.

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