Pain Medication Cut Downs (Page 4)

Is it just me or is all the pain management docs trying to cut everyone down or back!!?? When I went to my last visit the doc had the nerve to ask me if I still needed my Oxymorphone 20mg ER (56). I was like YEAH, what do you think?! This is after they closed down for 3 months and I had to switch to Subutex to not get sick. And I got dropped from the 30mg oxymorphone. And by the way the 20'mgs are garbage. Then my doc asked me to get an MRI on my lower back, which I did the month prior. It just goes to show what a dumb ass he is and how they're so not in tune to what is going on! All they want to do is lower and lower your meds. Has anyone else had their doc try and taper them down or try and lower your stuff? By the way, I'm in south FL.

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well another cut in my pain meds ----- went from 2 30mg morpine er down to 3 15mg morphine er and next appt they will go to 2 15mg morphine er ----- can anyone give me any input on what 15mg morphine they have the best relief with and which one dont work very well ---- the drug store i use is usually very good at trying to get what manufacturer i request --- any help would be greatly appreciated thank you very much

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Not only are doctors stopping or limiting pain meds , my veterinarian is taking my dog off a pain med he needs ! The DEA is reviewing all doctors and veterinarians for pain prescriptions. this is opioid hysteria as many people and animals need pain relief !

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Re: Erin (# 37)

Why wont they refil ur xanax?? Its not illegal.
Its a schedule 4...i just dont get that. Pharmacist??/creep? I read this...oxymorphone/opana is what oxycodone metabolises into in ur body. I had a dream in my closet there were big ziplocs full of lortab valium , everything. Stacked 3feet high. I was rxed pain meds pre and post op for a year at a time and reduced off slowly in my 20's without becoming anaddict in any way before i was ever chronically rxed that if you take it for a week your hooked is just crao.

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Re: roro (# 61)

Morphine NEVER did anything for me ER or IR. Except one time bout 7yrs ago I remember getting 3 100mg morphine I took 2 right away then hrs later took the last one that was the only time they ever did anything for me. But remember everyone is different. I found through trial and error what did and did not work. I'm so glad I found these oxymorphone they work wonders.
Now have you tried Zohydro,oxycontin,Diluid or Nucenta? I'm really interested to know if anybody out there has had any experience with Zohydro

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On October the 9th I had to regretfully have my four legged fur baby put to sleep. I never have cried that hard in my life, I miss him immensely, he was my comfort in my agony of chronic pain. I took him to the vet because he started “twerking” his whole hind end was horribly weak, he crawled, he couldn’t crouch in his toilet so he propped his but on the edge and it all went to the floor. The pain in his body became so intense that he couldn’t hold down food, im telling this story because the vet only offered Lyrica for his pain, REALLY, so of course I had to end his suffering, not only is the government killing us, but now our beloved pets too aren’t aloud to live a life pain free, im surprised that the vet didn’t write a prescription for psychiatric therapy / cbd ointment, yup, this is the war on the “opioid crisis“ since when have our pets abused?

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Re: roro (# 61)

If you can afford brand only.....U would ask the pharmacy to order that "Purdue" used to make the brand.....I used to take it but generic is now as expensive as brand. If there dropping u to 50 MME or 30 MME daily, u might ask to switch to Norco ii is MME to morphine and in my opinion opiod pain meds, being synthetic and not having the " First Pass" like morphine are stronger, last longer.I have Mall geniric MS ER. Watson generic is now Hikm on the rx bottle I think....thats good also but look it up not positive. Good luck.

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Re: Beth (# 56)

We could start by writing letters to our Congress men and women we just put into office, and our senators in every state. We can make copies and send one a week till someone besides PR responds. Why the hell would drug dealers spend more money lacing drugs with Fentanyl??? Makes no sense... they're offing there buyers. Is Fentanyl cheap?? Why not lace it with oxycodone? They're killing the demand... Just doesn't sound right to me. Big LIES.

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Re: Jen (# 66)

thx jen i am on 10/325 hydro codone for break thru pain they took my fyntinal 25 reduced to 2 - 30 morphine er now they reduced that to 3 -15mg morphine er & then they are going to reduce again to 2 - 15 a day & that will put me at the cdc 90mg a day eaquivilent ........ but the activas morphine seem useless ...... i need a good generic 15mg morphine that actually work ...... pharmacy said he had tevia 30 mg when i asked but when filled it was actually actavis ....never got anything activas made that help & its been decades ..... fortunatly the hydrcodn i get works well for me ...... thx again i hope your issues improve be well

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Re: Jen (# 67)

Has anyone tried CBD? If you are in a legal place, it might be worth a test. I am trying it now but only have a 30 day supply on hand @ 2 x a day. Too soon to comment myself.

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Re: MJJJ (# 69)
I have not tried CBD'S
Pain dics still are not reccomending it. It is legal in Ore but if you UA hot for it u could void ur Pain Contract??? I am very sensitive to THC not in a good way. But I would like ti try CBD or very low THC very high CBD but the dispenseries are always out of it....so they say . Here the Or medical board is just trying to scare docs into reducing meds and its working with a lot if them...even though there are no laws only CDC guidelines and if course the hoop jumping they put pain patients thru. Games games an more games.

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Re: Jen (# 70)

it took me 4 times going to the dispensary until I got the right CBD & THC combination !
just need it to sleep . Google all you can about
CBD & THC ! Good luck

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Re: Roro (# 54)

Trump is spewing his opinion as fact, the so called opioid epidemic is not any more of an epidemic than it is a sound byte. He's comparing the opioid epidemic with Crack cocaine epidemic, and nothing could be further than the truth. Crack, like Meth, are made in criminal labs set up mostly in abandoned properties, their own homes really either can be set up anywhere, even right next door. OPIOIDS ARE NOT. You have to start with a supply of opium poppies, which are not grown in this part of the world. This so called epidemic is only possible if you have a Doctor feelgood prescribing and supplying them at the same time, which here in Florida, is very possible. We have MD's here with their own pharmacies across the street from their offices, we see it every day with lines of people forming at both locations that at times will stretch around the corner on the sidewalks, yet nothing is done.

GOOGLE DEA/WALGREEN BUST 2013 and you will see what is REALLY GOING ON. AS A FORMER PAIN SPECIALIST turned patient (due to Florida's use of AGENT ORANGE [2,4D and 2,4D,T-5] on it's commercial vegetable farms across the state)... Since i was exposed in 1990-93 I was forced to quit my career as a trucker and took advantage of Florida's return to work programs for injured people. Thankfully i had most of my credits that were able to put together with 2 more years of college to achieve it. But back to the so called epidemic - it turns out Walgreen's was not the only pharmacy that was guilty of selling opioids to doctors off the books (and for cash). When they got caught all the other big pharmacies immediately stopped taking new pain patients unless you had a script filled their in the last 6 weeks. This is out of the mouths of the pharmacist themselves who I had as friends since going through this nightmare of being poisoned from touching farm plastic during our 3 year hauling contract. The plastic is laid over a pre-made mound of earth that may stretch for hundreds of feet, then a following machine sprays a layer of 2,4D (AGENT ORANGE). Then lastly, a final machine straddles the rows and a mechanical arm inserts the vegetable sprout through the plastic at about 8 inch intervals and after the grow cycle is done the migrant workers roll the plastic up into 10-15 foot high rolls, then we put them in our dump trucks to haul to the burner. Except that's after sitting in the FL sun. The plastic is weakened by UV rays and the wind tears it to shreds driving down the highway, so we as drivers would get the tickets against our CDL's (commercial drivers license), so we were forced to get in the dump beds with this stuff, (we were told the odor was not harmful to us due to the UV rays converting the chemical (they never told us what it was).

3 years later, we lost one of the 4 drivers. He died in his sleep from cause unknown at that time. I got sick, and started having back pain issues, then i had to replace a knee, now i have to replace the other knee, then my hands, i had to put artificial joints to try and keep working. Finally I'd had enough and went to MAYO CLINIC for a week of testing that took my life savings, since MAYO CLINIC doesn't accept insurance (because they refuse to pay for tests looking for illnesses that they will have to pay for when found, so they confused the fact until MAYO said no more). It messed me up so bad that I fractured my spine stepping of a curb and lost every disc in my spine through desiccation. And finally a nuclear antibody study showed the same results as soldiers who were exposed to agent orange with the exception that my exposure was 300 times that of the Vietnam era soldiers due to the fact each load we had to get in and weigh down the plastic with rocks, sod, anything we could find. The end of the story is that this chemical changed the brain chemistry making me opioid resistant and forcing huge doses to control the pain of my crumbling body, like 20 x 10 milligram tabs of Methadone 3 times a day. That is 200 mg X's 3 every 8 hours. That dose would kill any human with out the resistance and that dose for 10 years started the friendship of pharmacists who were dumbfounded that a human could stand that dose without harm. And thankfully the resistance helped me out in this regard.

Due to the size of each months script i had to wait up to a week at times for the store to have that many in stock, so during the last 20 years it happened too many times to count and if i wasn't resistant i would be going through opioid withdrawals so often it would probably kill me with out the resistance (which took 2 years of pain med trials before we tried methadone, and poof, it was as if a pain switch was turned off). Then Walgreens got busted all other pharmacies went into CYA mode, and Walgreens made a deal with the devil that affected every single PAIN CLIENT OF THEIRS. BESIDES THE 80 MILLION DOLLAR FINE, THEY MADE A DEAL WITH DEA to wean their customer base down through what they referred to as the GOOD FAITH policy. They stopped their name brand opioid supplier and made a deal with a recently formed pharmacy in INDIA, CALLED ASCEND.

After all the 20+ years of waiting 5-7 days without a single dose and no withdrawal, 10 days on ASCEND and here comes the withdrawals. In my opinion there was no active ingredient in the ASCEND garbage and a quick look on the net showed i wasn't alone... Everyone who was forced onto this crap had the same problem. Zero pain relief and then the withdrawals, which could easily kill seniors, though their is no opium in METHADONE (it has an artificial ingredient that tickles the same brain receptors as opium). Methadone was an invention of the Nazis during WWII. It was created to allow injured Nazi soldiers to continue fighting without the side affects that Morphine gives, which is why it is still used today to help addicts get off the hard stuff and heroin without the hell that is withdrawal.

Ao this opioid epidemic can only be supported by DOCTORS SELLING TO PATIENTS OR SOMEONE STEALING A PAIN PATIENT'S PRESCRIPTION. OPIOIDS ARE NOT A DRUG YOU CAN MAKE AT HOME FROM STORE BOUGHT INGREDIENTS. STEALING SOMEONES SCRIPT OR HAVING A DOCTOR SUPPLY YOU IS THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN HIT THE STREET, SO THERE IS YOUR FIX. REGULATE PAIN MEDS SO THAT ONLY PHARMACIES CAN SUPPLY IT, NOT THE DOCTORS THEMSELVES, AND PUT IN PLACE A CHECK AND BALANCE SYSTEM TO KEEP THEM FROM DOING WHAT WALGREENS GOT CAUGHT FOR (AND THE OTHERS WERE DOING THE SAME). BUT THEY SHUT IT DOWN THE MINUTE NEWS OF WALGREENS BUST HIT THE AIRWAVES, THE GOOD FAITH POLICY THAT WAS PART OF THE DEA DEAL WAS TO LESSEN THEIR CUSTOMER BASE WHO WERE PAIN PATIENTS LONG TERM, SUCH AS MYSELF. The policy (what a bad joke to call it this) was to tell the patient that their medication had not been included in the weeks medical deliveries, same next week etc, etc, until the customer is now going into withdrawals and forced to find a new pharmacy (which ironically was not taking new pain patients).

BECAUSE WALGREENS GOT CAUGHT, many of Walgreens pharmacist quit Walgreens because of the underhanded way they were treating customers who did nothing wrong except use Walgreens as their pharmacy, leaving us who depend on these meds to have a semblance of a life with nowhere to go. So YES TRUMPS "EPIDEMIC" is bulls*** and can be easily fixed with some oversight of those who supply it, NOT PUTTING IT ON THE BACKS OF THOSE WHO ARE FORCED TO TAKE IT OR LOOK AT SELF EUTHANASIA A.K.A. SUICIDE as the only option as in Florida. Our extremely young FL Attorney general (a woman who has zero medical experience who upon hearing Sir Liealots proclamation of an "EPIDEMIC", she is a trump fan sadly). Took it upon herself to make it near impossible for a pain patient to find a new pharmacy, even when it was the pharmacy that was in trouble not the people who need it. She started what is now called pharmacy shopping as a drug seeking behavior, which will if you get the label put on your information jacket, kill your ability to shop for a new supplier when yours (a well known corporation like Wagreens started the whole issue that got into trumps mouth and like everything else that come OUT of trumps mouth is 100% false), and now compounds the whole catch 22 mess because our village idiot POTUS is clueless that his falsehoods are contributing to the so called epidemic of death. BECAUSE HE OPENED HIS FAT MOUTH ON A SUBJECT HE KNOWS ONLY WHAT SEAN HANNITY TOLD HIM, WHO WE ALL KNOW IS AN EXPERT ON EVERY SUBJECT KNOWN TO MAN, WHICH GAVE THE NETWORK THEIR NOM DE PLUME OF "FAUX NEWS" because it is all baseless in facts...something that FAUX NEWS does well,...almost as well as SIR Liealot himself.

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Re: PAINMAN (# 72)

WOW I am so sorry for what you have been thru and are going thru. I have had meds made by Indian Pharma "Zydu" worthless and from Walgreens. I don't use Walgreens anymore, only Safeway. I looked up the bust and yeah, ur not makin it up. I have wondered for a long time how all these Pain Pills got on the street. The Dr Feelgood stuff is still going on in FL. That's surprising in this day. I thought we had a ban on drugs from India. They don't meet FDA standards according to the FDA so what the hell????

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Re: PAINMAN (# 72)

Good morning. This is the best post that I've had the honor of reading in a long long time. Thank you for posting this.

Better days are to come. I pray for all.

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Re: Bobby C (# 55)

Great read ,why do they play god ,they think there winning war on drugs ha ha .theve created here in Aust worse problem with kids on ice or some other dirty crap some slimeball makes in his kitchen now they have real problem ,more shootings muggings robberies people walking around talking to themselves omg .and they were so worried about opiates ect. My friend an ambulance driver wishes it was like it use to be ppl were happy just cruising kicking back ,now its a problem.

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Re: MJJJ (# 69)

Yes i tried several brands, but they were off the Internet and were free trials. Medical Marijuana was finally made legal here, but no one has yet to see any (just the commercial CBD which contains zero THC, the ingredient that helps pain in cancer patients). And if you do sign up for it in Florida, you are forced to surrender your firearms permit (because we all know how homicidal one gets after smoking pot). The dumb asses still use J. Edgar Hoovers description of how pot turns the populace into killing zombies. They are also talking of having to relinquish your drivers license for the same reason if you sign up for medical Marijuana. Florida is a good ole boy network where the sheriffs have incredible power over what laws are passed here. For example, the first time medical marijuana was on the ballot, two hours into the vote count the pot initiative already had 58% of the 60% needed to make it legal. The following 15 hours of vote counting and that 58% never changed, not even by a single point, which is almost mathematically impossible. And guess who had that initiative's vote count stopped? Yep, the Florida Sheriffs assoc. is what we hear through the grapevine (which in reality is former friends from school who now as adults work for FL government).

You must understand, the same assoc. got our Medicare thief Governor (Rick Scott) to bring in prisons for profit to our once lovely paradise (NOW JUST A GIANT PARKING LOT FOR TOURIST TRAPS). The Sheriffs here will confiscate the vehicle you are in if they find a single pot cigarette in the vehicle and will then use that find to get a probable cause warrant to search your residence, and god forbid they find anything, because the sheriffs will then apply to the court (more good ole boys) to confiscate the property, "even rentals" costing the owners thousands in legal fees to keep their property. Welcome to the new police state called Florida where facts don't matter only the word of the sheriffs deputy is what the courts make their decisions from. The poor court supplied attorney assigned to your case won't stand and object to illegal questions in court, because they know they have no power and are just there because the law says they must be. By making these things legal even with the newly gained knowledge of how much help it can be, by legalizing it cuts off the sheriffs department largest supply of money from sheriffs auctions of drug confiscations (the single joint). Which I would be all for if it was heroin, cocaine etc, but pot... give me a break. It is just legal theft. Welcome to Florida.

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I would like to share a couple of things with the viewing audience:

I sent a comprehensive petition to the ACLU regarding the war on pharmacology. There response as best I could interpret was something like;

"We've no time for such frivolity! We are concerned only about promoting our democratic agenda!" Perhaps I was mistaken about the true mission statement for this organization!

I believe it was Benjamin Disraeli that said there are 3 kinds of lies:
1. Lies
2. Damn lies
3. Statistics

Statistics just like science in general can be perverted to best serve the author. It is my contention the data used to support the war on pharmacology has been extrapolated out of a political expediency. I'll go a step further by challenging the data against my version of objective statistical scrutiny!

It occurs to me that the dialectal in popcorn, and chlorinated artifical sweeteners are doing more than pharmacology to undermine our health. What about distilled and fermented beverages? My mother died from alcohol poisoning!!!!!!!!!!

No need for me to go into the governmental sanctioned tobacco industry! I don't think there exists a sole on earth that does not understand what we pay as a society for this NON-SEQUITUR!!!!!!!!!

In a previous life, I was one of those involved in carving out carcinomas, resulting directly from tobacco consumption!

It is indeed my privilege to contribute to this forum, and I thank those responsible, and the fellow supporters of the cause!

Best regards,
John from The Woodlands

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Kaiser HMO will not give out any pain meds or anxiety meds ! I also have a 17 year old dog has collapsing windpipe and joint pain but my vet
took him off pain meds and put him on crap .
The FDA/DEA is reviewing all doctors and veterinarians prescriptions and the doctors are afraid!

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Re: Roro (# 68)

Actavis and Teva merged. Mallinkodt I think works well. I dont care for anything actavis even though I thought teva was good.

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My 91 year old mo, in So Fla. needed a refill of her vicodin. Previously filled over one year ago. The dr wrote for 30 pills/no refills. CVS would only allow her a 7 day supply. My friend just had surgery last week. They gave her a super tylenol, no opiate to ease her pain. I am over this! Why do WE have to suffer for the actions of druggies. Thats's just what happening too. Dogs get treated better than we're getting.

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