New Subutex Laws (Page 12)
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I went to see my doctor this week and he told me that the FDA and the DEA had passed a new law for prescribing Subutex. As of July 1st 2015 Subutex can only be given to pregnant woman or to someone with documentation saying they can't take Suboxone. If you don't have that you will be put on Suboxone.

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The law if only affect in the state on TN, but I'm afraid more states will follow they always do. I live in TN, they closed all subutex only clinics on July the 1st. This is only Tenneessee so far anyway.

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Yes john TN just passed that law. Do some research instead of asking a Dr. If your not from TN, you have nothing to worry about yet. I'm in a methadone clinic, they told me they was keeping subutex but you can no longer get a prescription from a Dr. In TN, you can get you from the methadone clinic if you have take homes. Call around in TN and ask if you can get in and get subutex, they will say no suboxone ONLY NOW.

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I agree 100%. Suboxen makes me get hives and awful headaches. I have been on subutex for years and it saved my life.

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Subutex was took off the market in TN on July the 1st. TN was the 1st and I thought only state so far that had done such. Now if your pregnant you can't still get them OR I'd you live in TN I know that 2 methadone clinics that have subutex and will not be getting rid of it. One is in Chattanooga at volunteer the others in Knoxville at DRD. Expensive though untill you get take homes.

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Your wrong. No such law exists. My Dr laughed when I told him

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You have the audacity to say get a life yet you seem to know subutex/suboxone is the same, sure you ain't been on the stuff yourself mate

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First, a huge thanks to your hubbs for his service. Second, F*** JIM!!! He's a d***** bag troll who spends his time insulting strangers on a chat. How sad is that? He obviously needs to put others down in order to feel better about himself. Again...SAD. It's basically: "let me find some people with problems and see if i can add to them!" I do understand your need to explain your hubbs' situation to this troglodyte, but really sweetie? Don't friggin bother b.c. he has proven he is just a sad, ridiculous loser.

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Actually, ppl do abuse both. In the town I live in there are ppl doing this and ppl who truly don't need it. It's gross! I get doing it the proper way because cold turkey is hell and you need time.

Jim: Lastly, for you....and to throw it out there I have 3 degrees and was the one in the previous thread that indicated that NO they are NOT the same thing. Saying one should just quit, to get a life and basically you shouldn't be a junkie is ludicrous. Let me take a sledge hammer and nail you in the back. Since, I'm a female give me 5-7 swings and see if you don't take a freaking pain pill. Because, I'm a soldiers wife, a heroes wife, a wife of a member of the Elite 82nd Airborne Unit as a Paratrooper and Parachute Rigger. However, during a jump they weren't to be jumping that day. The Airforce even advised the paratrooper's they weren't jumping because the wind knots where too high. Well, with that being said, there was a huge ranking officer that over ruled and said BS we are jumping or I lose my status and have to go back through training. So, guess what? They jumped because he out ranked them all. Well, don't know if you've had the balls to ever jump out of a plane for your country or for pleasure (husband was hurt on a combat related mission)? But, when you jump at low altitude you don't have much control of your chute. So, you land where you land. He landed directly on concrete (the runway). A Marine hit in front of him and destroyed his elbow and my husband trying to do a PLF landed on his back so now he has two ruptured discs in his L3-L5, Degenerative disc disease, one of his hips sit up higher then the other, pain going down his leg and lastly depression and anxiety because he was a stellar athletic (could dunk a basketball, can you?) and can't walk certain distances without having to take a break. Sadly, the VA doesn't take great care of there ppl. So, rest assure there is probably way more then what we don't know. So, we've decided to go to an civilian neurosurgeon to find out the other issues he is having. So, yeah, not everyone wakes up like a drug addict or junkie, crack head (whatever you choose to call him and every other addict) speaks volumes to what kind of care you would provide to your patient's and that's why there are jerks that are nurses like you and nurses who can perform there job with compassion and without prejudice.

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No such law and they don't make u feel high unless u never took pills ect. better then being on dope and not working, u can work on subs and live normally. On dope i can die any day. On subs i am fine and can function normally. It's great and saved my life. Any drug can be abused.

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Hello Michael:

I get Subutex and I am not pregnant nor am I allergic. With that being said, so addicts are addicts because doctor's keep ppl like vets, ppl with injuries and people who really don't need them doped up with narcotics. Now, at least one VA in Ohio, is cutting all veteran's off VERY strong narcotics off their meds. I'm speaking of narcotics like methadone, oxycontin, oxycodone, morphine sulfate, fentanyl...I think you get the point. Thus, my husband when kicked off (not tapered down) well I guess if you call being prescribed 10 Methadone pills a day and 10 5mg oxycodone and then told I will give you one prescription of MS Contin of 22 pills and then being told he was not a good candidate for the narcotic rehabilitation program because he has horrible chronic pain it makes one wonder. In any case, they are still prescribing subutex and it is NOT the same thing as suboxone. Subutex is w/out a blocker and is a mild pain reliever. I commend you for getting off the horrible drugs above. But, both types of Subs are being abused. Actually, we are 6 days off regular pain meds (both legitimately prescribed) and have began tapering off of the Subutex. I don't recommend taking Subutex for a long time because it is trading one drug off for another; however, it is better then what you were taking just be careful. You seem smart just know you will withdrawal from coming off of both. That's why it is not recommended long term. Now, there are doctors that push it just for the money that will tell you otherwise but the decision is yours. Good luck with everyone and their sobriety!!

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no that's no how it always worked.

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well hell as far as I know that's how its always worked to begin with so nothing to new for me.

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Meant to say naloxone does not seem to have much effect. On the other hand this might not be true for everyone. I think if there has been no history of drub abuse in treatment and they stick to all the rules then i dont understand why need to have the naloxone it seems to be a policical thing and there is already to much government involvement in treatment medicine.

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It's not the same as "giving gin to an alcoholic" you dont seem to understand how these drugs work, they dont make u feel high. bupenorphine is only a partial agonist and blocks full agonist like morphine and oxycodone from working, there by not making u feel high when u take them. its quite clever. Im sure if there was something they could give an alcohlic that would block the effects of alcohol they would be giving it. Oh yeah Naltrexone which they do prescribe long term. I just think your ignorant on how bupenorphine works. It's defiantly a miracle drug. Oh by the way both subutex and suboxone block the effects of other opiates and i dont think there is that much difference between the two. Naloxone does seem to have much effect. The only difference i notice is suboxone makes me sweat

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I agree that guys got issues, I was once just like him tho until I got hurt at work and it was all down hill from there now I'm on the other side of the fence trying my best to get my life back in order, subutex work for me suboxone doesn't

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People that aren't sensitive about opiate addiction shouldn't be posting to this thread, because everyone that's taking there subs the right way, we know we are doing the right thing, but then some a**hole says "get off your lazy ass and get a job". I actually have have a job and have been off opiates for 3 years. My jobs not great, but its a job. Jim is who this mainly goes out to. The guy that said he has a degree to pretty much everywhere. Everyone on here said that subutex is helping, that's awesome, keep it up. I know I will, it's the only thing that's helped so far.

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no sir,was documented got it all straigtened out ,thanks for your help though.

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Hey Jim those are some great accomplishments, I mean worth seeing pictures, so post your pics of your achievements so we can see them.

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I'm sorry I don't think I worded that right. I've been on subutex for 8-9 years. I was prescribed suboxone once and broke out, then they switch me right back. Then I started seeing another Dr. because it was cheaper for the visit. To make a long story short someone got in my bottle and switched a subutex for a white suboxone and broke out again and doctor even seen the hives, but says he still needs allergy evaluations for his records. Every place I call say there is no diagnostic.

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If you have a allergy to it that is that severe you should have had to receive medical treatment for it and it will be in your medical records from the Dr or facility that treated you for it. If not the allergy isn't severe enough to qualify.

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