Ketamine For Depression? (Page 42) (Top voted first)

It was recommended by the members of a separate thread that one be started that directly relates to ketamine and it's use to treat depression.

If anyone besides myself would like to discuss it's use as a treatment for depression, feel free to post your questions, answers and experiences here.

This thread is an offshoot of a related one that discussed a treatment of Scopolamine for depression.

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Dr. Hanna does ketamine infusion treatment at the Florida spine institute in Clearwater FL for a multitude of conditions & he & his team are wonderful! People come from all over the world & have moved there to be able to treat with him.

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Re: The Blonde Wonder (# 855)

You are absolutely right, opioids are amazing for depression but the addictive qualities outweigh the benefits. Only thing that lifted the black cloud. I can see why kids turn to illicit drugs. Doctors know this but cannot prescribe opioids for depression.

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I am in Toronto, Canada.

JP in Toronto, if I may ask, which Doctor are you currently being prescribed Ketamine from?

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I tried Ketamine treatment on my own few days ago.First time, 0.5mg/kg IM injection and i ended up laying on the floor for one hour. It hit me so hard, i thought that i was going to die.
After the hole came hangover, dizzines. No improvment from one treatment.
I checked the dosing and it was righ, 0.5mg per kg. I dont know why my body reacted like that.

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Re: SSSS (# 869)

I felt better 24 hours after my 1st Ketamine infusion. Doctor's recommend a series of 6 treatments for depression.

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Re: SSSS (# 869)

Total 0.5mg/kg is correct. However, never do it without capable and experienced medical supervision! The flow rate must be carefully regulated and you need to be monitored for oxygen and blood pressure over the 45-60 minutes! No wonder you were incapacitated.

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Re: Guy In Toronto (# 868)

My doctors do not permit me to disclose their names. They have very full practices and are not seeking any new patients. Sorry. There are doctors/psychiatrists at CAMH in Toronto that have experience with administering/prescribing ketamine - but you need a referral from at least a family doctor first.

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Re: Guy in Toronto (# 873)


May I ask how I could get in contact with this doctor in Toronto?

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Re: Pat (# 874)

Hi,

It’s via a pain clinic, so you will need a referral from your GP for a chronic pain condition. It is not a doctor who uses it for depression, rather, pain. But you should get some antidepressant effects from it if used properly for pain.

I am not comfortable giving out names of physicians online but if you {edited for privacy} I can send you the info.

Cheers.

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Hey all. Are there any doctors in PA or Maryland that legally prescribe ketamine and/or any other fast acting nmda drugs like esketamine, NIS189, or glyx-13 for treating severe depression? Would really appreciate it if anyone knew. Thanks.

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Re: Guy in Toronto (# 875)

I'm a bit confused, Guy. At one point you say that your drs aren't accepting more patients but then state that with a referral to the pain clinic you use, one could possibly receive ketamine transfusions. Are you getting transfusions for pain but also have depression? I have both refractory depression and significant pain from arthritis. I've never found any lasting relief for either. There are several pain clinics in Toronto. I realize that you can't provide a name but maybe an intersection? Thanks, Joseph.

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Re: Guy (# 879)

Thanks, Guy. I realized my error right after I posted. I have nerve pain as well, and ankylosing spondilytis. I'm starting a medication for that in a few days. If that doesn't work then I'll look up Alevio.

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Re: JP in Toronto (# 845)

Hi there, it has been a while since this post. Do you have any updates on obtaining ketamine in Canada, infusion or oral? Thanks so much.

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Re: Guy in Toronto (# 875)

Would you be able to provide any sources for ketamine in Canada? Thanks so much

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Re: Mh (# 882)

See my posts straight below under “Guy”. That is about all I can say about it. Good Luck!

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I am hoping I get the ok for this treatment. I had gastric bypass almost two years ago and I have completely fallen apart. Not only would they forget to give me my meds in the hospital. The stoped working completely because they are not absorbing. I started to self medicate because I need to function some how. I have never been so desperate for help in my life. I feel like a stranger in my skin and I’m worried this feeling will never go away. I have started liquid meds because they are supposed to absorb better but not feel much from them. This is my last hope. An IV treatment will be good because I don’t have to worry about absorption. Is there any information that I ave aware of? I just need my Dr. to sign off and then I get a consult.

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I have chronic pain for most of my life. It was in 2003 that it became debilitating. I had been through all kinds of SSRIs, non-narcotic painkiller, narcotic painkillers and a host of things they give to people with Diabetes having nerve pain in common. To sum up the symptoms I have nerve pain throughout my body and horrible muscular cramps that if I just move wrong can go into a spasm that I can't get rid of especially in my jaw, neck and upper back.

Nothing had really worked for me other than Botox but I couldn't afford it and insurance wouldn't cover it. The Pain Specialist I had been seeing went off the deep end (I think they use too many of their samples) I ended up with a new one. It took a while but I guess something I said made him say that he believed that I had Infectious Myositis and he started me on Ketamine 10mg capsules 3x a day. I haven't felt that good in years. I was on them for about a year when all this bulls*** with the Narco-State came to the surface because of the so-called Heroin Epidemic and then suddenly he asked me how much the medication was costing and I said it runs about $84 a month but insurance won't touch it. He had been giving me refills without coming in for an office visit except if I needed something. And then he makes this ridiculous statement that I should be able to afford to come in every month. I have no idea what he based that on but he wouldn't even see me, according to his office staff which were no brain trust, unless I could come up with the co-pay I wasn't enough for him to just get the insurance payment for a refill appointment (even if I had the co-pay I'm not taking up but 5 minutes of his time and a $45 copay is a bit excessive). I ran into a similar problem years back when I was going to the allergist and they wanted a full co-pay to come in weekly and get an inj. and sit in a room for 20 minutes. I didn't have it then and I don't have it now. Greed is becoming very coming in the healthcare industry. Why just taking the insurance portion wasn't enough I'll never understand. I don't know exactly what it is but it's about $200 a pop so they're being well paid for a refill appointment. His office staff sent me a letter when I asked about coming in without the co-pay and told me that the FDA required me to pay my co-pay. Are you freaking kidding me! The FDA? I don't think the FDA nor the DEA gives one s*** if I pay my co-pay.

Part of his online review had already alerted me that he was big into the money aspect of his practice but that he was considered very good at diagnosis. I told him that if he insists on forcing me to come in monthly then I can't afford it and that effectively raises the price of the medication to $129 a month. The next remark I will never forget. He says back to me if it's going to come down to his kids eating or me that it's going to be his kids eating. Just out of the blue. I assume in hindsight that he was referring to some type of pressure he was under if he was prescribing these meds but his pressure meant nothing to me if I could not afford to go on a monthly basis. I stopped taking it and now I lay on the sofa on a daily basis trying to remain comfortable.

My primary care doctor was real quick to take over the narcotics which caused a huge rift between the Pain Specialists and me but it was always my understanding that you went to a specialist to get diagnosed and stabilized and then you went back to your primary care for continued treatment except my primary refused to write Ketamine even though it wasn't a narcotic and is in the same class as Xanax but he has continued to refuse stating, "its not his balywick" whatever the hell that means. I guarantee that some of the other medications I take aren't either but he doesn't even think twice about medications that can result in death or amputation, etc and yet he won't give me what I had taken for a year without so much as a single side-effect.

I'm going to attempt to call out my primary care on his only writing meds if they're on/in his balywick and tell him how much I'm suffering and the stress that he's causing on my body is probably doing more damage, etc and see if I can get him to write the script. But now because SSDI doesn't keep pace with inflation I don't have the money to even pay what I imagine is now around $100 a month. I didn't even always take 3 a day so I don't know how I might get around my lack of funds but maybe something good could happen in my life?

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Have you looked in to having ketamine IV treatments. Many insurance will pay for these treatments for pain. Dr Hanna in Florida excepts most insurance.

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Joseph (# 879) --

I find oral Ketamine works just fine for me. Since it must be compounded I also get asked by the Pharmacist for my thoughts on it's effectiveness and he tell's me that there is only one other doctor that prescribes a nasal spray form and that's he has had conversations regarding the spray with the doctor and feels the oral form is a much better choice. Now I have not asked him specifically because I was getting the oral form and it was doing what I needed and just seems more convenient than a nasal spray. Having never had the nasal spray I cannot tell you my thoughts. I have also been told about the infusions although I really don't know a lot about them. Some people say they're curative and that seems hard to believe because at some point your system will clear it from the blood. I'm guessing that the doctors think it's more controllable and people won't be able to misuse it because they have no direct access to it. But I've also read about people having terrible terrors that have had Ketamine used on them as anesthesia so there's that.

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Re: dave (# 4)

Hi, where did you find your doctor for these prices? Cause my doctor charges $450 for every visit even after the first visit! And I have not heard of them using the inhaler yet but I would benifits from the inhaler

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