Ketamine For Depression? (Page 13)

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It was recommended by the members of a separate thread that one be started that directly relates to ketamine and it's use to treat depression.

If anyone besides myself would like to discuss it's use as a treatment for depression, feel free to post your questions, answers and experiences here.

This thread is an offshoot of a related one that discussed a treatment of Scopolamine for depression.

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@paula I bet there was an anesthesiologist there. And while one may not like that they need to be there, ketamine is an anesthetic and doctors who proscribe anesthetics and are not anesthesiologists get their licenses reviewed (at least in Georgia where I am) then they have to justify the medication. At the best it is more paperwork, at the worst it is a revocation of medical license.

I to am interested in Glyx-13, maybe it needs its own thread?

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Hi Renee, how many time they will give you GLYX13 in this trial? How often?
Are you on some medication at the moment?

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@paula - i think a GLYX - 13 thread is a great idea! That is what I want too. How do we start it? It has much more of a future than Ketamine. It will be accessible to regular psychiatrists, it is just a long way off. There is also a Science Blog discussing it now too. There are multiple sources, but the dosages are low. will keep looking.....

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@ Keller- I am an RN. I was fully aware of the protocol. Although I am sure there was an anesthesiologist in the hospital somewhere, there DEFINITELY was not one present during the Ketamine infusions. So it is not necessary for one to be present during infusion.

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The reason why an anesthesiologist does not have to be present is because the medication is not being administered at a dosage potent enough to induce an anesthetic response where the patient would be unconscious and therefore the possibility of the airway being compromised is not present.

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@Paula What you have posited is a non sequitur literally "it does not follow".

Just because one is not there does not mean one is not required by the study, by law or any other fashion.

According to the published protocol I have "appropriate precautions are necessary, including preketamine electrocardiography and close monitoring by an anesthesiologist." when dealing with repeated infusions.

While it is true that the dosages are sub-anesthetic, and this the reason why nasal ketamine does not require an anesthesiologist, it is not the case that repeated IV treatments do not require an anesthesiologist.

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I am an RN too.
I had no anesthesiologist either.
My doctor stayed with me and monitored my BP.
Do you want to start the new thread? For GLYX-13????

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@ Blueheelercd I started one here: Discuss/GLYX-13-248269.htm

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I was wondering if anyone knows of any ketamine infusion clinics that are treating patients outside the us. Say, Mexico, Thailand, Philippines ect. I think it would be worth it to travel abroad and avoid the high cost in the states. I have heard about such clinics but cant find any thing online. If anyone knows, some links would be great....

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I think in Europe there is none.
The problem is still that you need an infusion once or twice a week and you can not travel that far.

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Wodering whether there is any doctor in minneapolis or doing ketamine trtmnt. for depression. Would appreciate a reply if possible. Thanks!

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@Paula, @Renee, @catpower, @theinvman@Everyone Interested in GLyx-13

WE HAVE A THREAD made by Robert.
Please, lets move there and put our info together.
Especially anyone in a trial.
I think it is the future. It lasts 1 week.
Ketamine is: controlled, too complicated to administer, short term effects and too expensive, etc.
I hope eberyone will post there!!!

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@ EVERYONE Discuss/GLYX-13-248269.htm

we have ONE!!!!

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@Renee. I'm wondering if you can provide an update on your progress in the GLYX-13 trial.

-How is your mood? If it is improved, can you put a percentage improvement on it?

-You mentioned "nervous energy" after your first infusion. Can you comment further now that you've been on it a few more weeks. Is this "nervous energy" still not equivalent to your normal anxiety? How is your anxiety level now in comparison to your normal level?

-Any other side effect issues such as increased lethargy or irritability? I mention these two issues because these are both side effects I experienced when on Ketamine infusions?

-How is your overall level of functioning at this point?

Many kind thanks for your feedack.

JB

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I started ketamine infusions in Jan 2013 and have enjoyed enormous relief.

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Wonderful to hear! I will be traveling to Trifecta Health to receive ld ketamine injected (im) by Dr Fruitman. I hope this provides long sought relief. If it works My home Dr has agreed to follow up with the therapy here.

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@at Keller- I did have extensive testing prior to the actual Ketamine infusion, incuding EKG. The study did NOT require an anesthesiologist to be present, and the outpatient infusions I received were administered by a nurse anesthetist, with an M.D. present in the building. The M.D. was a psychiatrist however and would have been of no use were I to have a cardiac incident. Look, my point is that Ketamine has been around a long time and has a proven record of safety, therefore I believe there should be less roadblocks in the routine use of this truly amazing, restorative treatment for treatment resistant depression. I mean, in my case it has been 18 years of suffering and the best years of my life taken away from me and my family.

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@Paula, The study required it (see my over a month ago original post), your location broke the protocol. I do not see why people have such a hard time with this concept.

An equivalent conversation might go:
Me: The sped limit is 35mph
You: That is incorrect I was in a taxi yesterday and the driver went 45mph

The published protocols say there is to be an an anesthesiologist present. Maybe you were under a different protocol, maybe your site broke protocol, I do not know. Maybe you have a link to your study's published protocol? If so please post it as some of us might be able to decrease treatment costs with a different one.

I start LDN in a month, I do not have the 10k required for private ketamine treatments at $600 each + maintenance.

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I don't really want to get in a p***ing contest @ Keller, my study was sponsored by Mass. General, which has an excellent reputation. But what I AM interested in is getting better. So what is this thing you are starting @ Keller, LDN? I searched in past posts but didn't see what you wrote about in your last posting. Please explain further if you would be so kind.

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I don't really want to get in a p***ing contest @ Keller, my study was sponsored by Mass. General, which has an excellent reputation. But what I AM interested in is getting better. I have tried LDN(low dose Naltrexone), I obtained some Naltrexone from Canada and put the tiny dose in some water. I didn't have any relief of symptoms, but it's worth trying, I have read some anecdotal positivity. If it is costly for you you can DIY.

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