I Need Suboxone To Show Up On My Drug Screen (Page 9)

I have been taking blue Xanax for the past couple of days and my Suboxone Dr, who I am scheduled to see on Friday, does regular drug screens to make sure that only Suboxone is in my system. I've gotten one of my friend's urine to use on Friday. Only problem is, they don't take Suboxone! Can I sprinkle some crushed up Suboxone in their clean urine to show up that I'm clean besides Suboxone? If I just use the clean urine, he will know that it's a hoax because I've been testing clean but with Suboxone and there's no way I can go without taking it. But I can't just pee my own pee, because I was made to sign a form when I started treatment with him that states that an individual who tests dirty for Benzodiazepines SPECIFICALLY will be booted out of his clinic and cancelled as a patient. So, can't I just crush up a little Suboxone and put it in the clean urine or will that not work? Help!

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I'm starting to think that's what is happened. But I would think that kind of test is not too accurate bc everyone's body is diff. Metabolism ect. But I don't know. Usually my doctor talks about stupid laws and stuff but he didn't even mention it and if my friend (his other patient) hadn't pointed it out then I would have really screwed up. Lol

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That is a complete lie your doctor told you. That suboxone does not have a drug test available to tell if you have been taking it. i first hand have seen the test and no positively, and most definitly there is such a test. i have been a suboxone patient for over a year now. And every two weeks i am tested. The speciem goes into a cup containing the drug ttest chart and temperature strip connected right to the cup. when you put the urine in it flows into each panel containg the drugs name. If a line shows up you are negative for that drug. If no line shows up you are positive. So please im telling you i know for a definite FACT that such test for the drug suboxone is out there!!!! Also suboxone is bupreinorphine which is a very stong opiate however being as it contains naloxone that is a narcotic blocker that is what keeps you from testing positive for opiates.

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Yes, there is a test. I bought several off of ebay (they were about $2.85 each) to see what would work & not work (my doctor didn't like that I was taking Klonopin prescribed by my Psychiatrist). And I take the strips so I wasn't sure if they would melt enough to work properly. What worked best for me was this - a 3rd regular Gatorade, a 3rd lemon juice (the acid helped break up the small corner of the strip put in there) & a 3rd water. Mix this up the night before (putting in 1 small corner of your strip or pill) & make sure it's body temperature (or close). Us females can "bottle pop" by putting a small sample inside us, or if we're big busted, can put it underneath a breast in our bra. Either worked.
Unfortunately, my Dr. must have caught on to someone (I always tested pos. for Suboxone, which is called a "Bup" test, short for Bupenephrine) and now does the oral swabs. I have no idea how to play that game, so I just don't take the Klonopin w/in 72 hours of seeing him.

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There is a non-narcotic medication to take that will help you sleep. It's kinda old school but works great. It is called Remron. I to am on Suboxone and my Dr prescribes me the Remron so talk to him about it. He will have issues with Ativan and more then likely kick you out of the program for taking it. The doctor who prescribed the Ativan to you sounds part of the pill mill because if he knew you were on Suboxone and prescribed you Ativan he doesn't care about your well being but that is only my opinion. Good Luck and I really hope you try the Remron and stop the Ativan and I say this for your well being.

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id just like to say that for 2 and a half years,i have been crushing a quarter of suboxone and klonopin into my husbands urine,and get tested every 2 weeks faithfully. i always pass. i dont know why you would say it shows up as opiates also. it doesnt.suboxone isnt a opiate. all it shows up for is suboxone and klonopin in my husbands urine. he does no drugs at all.

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suboxone does not show up as opiates in urine. y would it?its not an opiate. ive crushed a quarter of box and klonopin for over 2 years in my hubbys urine-always shows box and klons.never failed one

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thank u. i was getting so aggrivated and everyone kept lecturing him. i know 4 a fact it works,been doing it in my hubbys urine for 2 yrs. he does nothing-nothing. i pass everytime for boxes and klonopin-what im prescribed. cant do myself cux take xanaxes. but yes it works.

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The suboxone has to come back METABOLIZED when the urine screen comes back OTHERWISE the Dr will know that u just added sub to clean pee. Sorry won't work. Just get a sample of your own pee and freeze it so the sub shows up and as long as you have a stockpile of pee in the freezer then you are set for up to a year. Best wishes! :)

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opic of the above subject was percisely what we had now been wondering 4 quite a few weeks-should just go out 2 purchase 1 of those @ home drug screen tests 2 c 4 ureselves; than; that way u guys will no longer continue getting nothing besides mixed signals from so many diffrent individuals whom none of u actuallu even know!!! AFTER we just read thrue all those comments/questions above regading weather or not ure able 2 just sprinkle sum Suboxone in2 clean urine if taking other substances which u know could result in something negative from whomever dr's u guys go 2 c 4 ure Suboxone; esp if talkin about the Benzos!!! I am in this exact SAME situstion & NEED 2 take a urine 2morrow a.m. @ clinic...but thank GOD--AFTER REALLY SERIOUSLY PRAYING VERY HARD FOR AN ANSWER TO ALL THIS--I have somebody who isnt taking anything @ all narcitic nor controlled sunstance wise & suggested 2 just allow him 2 take a tiny bit of 1 2night so its got time enough 2 properly matabalize & I'd b able 2 use his urine than 4 my test @ clinic in the a.m.--he even said that the properties ARE IN FACT going 2 show a diffrence between sprinkled Suboxone in clean urine & it already having been properly matabalized throughout ones' system...& EVEN IF the tests which r used don't show anything besides streight positive show-testing 4 the Suboxone; with my personnal ion now avalible 2 go about this this way instead; just 2 stay on the safer side; I truely think its the best route 2 take...if ure able 2 locate sum1 u KNOW who does NOT use/take anything @ all & would b willing 2 do this same type of thing 4 ure benifit; than I say go 4 that way, instead...& YES; although I had been staying ONLY on my Suboxone 4 longest time; this happens 2 b time of year when I was kidnbapped along with 2 other friends back in 1998 & so the specialist had recetly put me bak again on my Xanaxs...even though knowledge of having 2 also stay on my Suboxone, 2!!! They monitor it VERY strictly & its been helping a ton in addition 2 my Suboxone--I take everything EXACTLY HOW I'M SUPPOSED 2--do NOT abuse any of se meds!!! But still; as evry1 already knows; sometimes certain Suboxone dr.'s can get a bit weird about the whole benzo mix thing...so mistakes do occur because we r all human & always staying 100% streight isnt the simplest of things 2 always do...so I judge absolutly N ONE of u above & hope what I wrote in responce may assist sum or all u guys...l u guys wil b in my Prayers & I really do hope each 1 of u guys the very best of luck...,just try 1 those home kit drug screening tests 1st if ure that uncertain which type of tests r being used @ ure clinics {weather they'll b advanced enough of tests 2 detect mmatabolized Suboxone or unmatabolized Suboxone sprinkled in clean urine}...or if possible take the other route in which I explained about finding sum1 with absolutly nothing in their system---MUST KNOW THIS 4 CERTAIN 2--& have them take a tiny bit enough so it'll show in a properly/fully matabolized manner 2 stay safe...thanks every1 & good luk 2 ya all 1nce again; may God bless each & every 1 of u guys!!!

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Again, NO IT DOESN’T WORK! I have tried this many times as well, and if it isn’t metabolized in your system it will show up on the drug test positive for an opiate.

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Wow! Cudos to you Sarah! That was very well said and, very understandable. Actually, you are one of the only people on here that made any sense! You are such an intelligent and well spoken girl which, just goes to show that addiction can affect anyone! Addiction knows no bounds, no age, no race, no creed. And, quite frankly, unless any of you judgemental people who commented negatively can walk on water than you're opinion does NOT matter! I pray for you during you're struggles with addiction Sarah. I hope that one day you can find that comfort and peace in you're heart again, without drugs. God Bless everyone who is struggling with this disease. I know it's not easy and I hope someday you can feel whole again.

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ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THE NO BENZOS WITH THE SUBOXONE. LETHAL COMBINATION TO MIX BENZOS WITH SUBOXENE. I KNOW. DONT DO IT. I too can get away with a positive thc here and there occasionally, but no tolerance for benzos what so ever. I've been on Suboxone over 2 years and take a ua once every two weeks never fail. Don't fu@k around. Be real about recovery if your in the Suboxene programs. Stop wasting time, energy and resources if your only going to abuse the suboxone or keep abusing other drugs. If your in the Suboxone program u can bet they are using the most highly, most expensive ua test to determine the levels of your regular prescription meds and levels of suboxone. I know. I've been doing it for 2 years.

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Ok this is starting to piss me off... People, it's a yes or no question.. No one asked about your criticism of whether someone it following their program or not. Who cares? Worry about your own butt!

A lil about me - college educated businessman, previous opiate addict (mostly heroin), I take suboxone films (4 mgs daily: 1/2 a strip). I have been taking 4 mgs of suboxone film daily and I use opiates on Fridays/Saturdays but then return back to subox the rest of the week... Don't judge, just writing my experience...

I am tested 1x a month with a strip test and then it is sent to the lab which does not give levels. I ask copies for all my medical records so I know they don't receive levels back, seems kinda stupid but it's probably a DEA rule or bureaucratic reason why they have to. However, my doctor (probably as most doctors) does not even check the results when they come back. They're simply entered into a computer and they're not even put into the patient chart/file when he comes into the exam room. Typically, I go check in, pay, pee, wait 3 minutes and the doc comes in and the nurse tech gives the preliminary results from the dip stick test..

Now... Suboxone, which contains buprenorphine and nalaxone, metabolized into two (actually 3, but we'll worry about just two for chemical simplicity) metabolytes by the liver: buprenorphine and norbuprenorphine. It does not magically turn into an opiate so I don't know how the hell people are saying OMG WTF?!!? I dissolved a sub and now I'm dirty for opiates.. I don't buy it. It must've been a fluke or some bogus test or you are illiterate judging by your lack of spelling proficiency and grammar. [To test this myself, I dissolved some suboxone in chamomile tea and tested it with a 7 panel (did not include a subox test) but did not not show up positive for the other 7 drugs, one of which of course was opiates.]

That being said, buprenorphine is dissolved by CYP3A4. This enzyme is primarily found in humans but also in small levels in cats. So you have a few options...

Chamomile tea + dissolving suboxone. As I said, one of the metabolytes of suboxone itself is buprenorphine. So buprenorphine + H20/tea will keep it as buprenorphine. However, if the test is set up to show up as positive based on norpbuprenorphine levels your f***ed.

Options 2. Feed your dog/car a tiny bit of suboxone and suck up his/her piss with a syringe. Yes, this is safe so all you PETA people f off... Obviously you can't give a poodle like 10 strips, so use your judgment and research what the mg^3/kg dosage is whether you have a dog or cat. Add some chamomile tea (looks like piss if u let just 1 bad sit in for a short time) or water. Did no one really think of this before?

Option 3: Find a clean friend, have him take sum sub and use his piss. This piss is good in basic lab tests as well as dip sticks. I had a friend pee for me in a little vitamin bottle one day and used it for about 3-4 months till I ran out and he started doing drugs again. So I used the other 2 methods and they seem to be working...

I'm going to see my subox doc this week and I have about 5cc of my dogs piss which was acquired approx. 24 hours after giving him 2 mg of subox. He barely feels this amount - he doens't sleep any different, eat any different, etc etc. However, he does seem to be a lil constipated.

So yeah, that's about it... I'm rly surprised no one thought of this early.

Oh! I forgot to mention... Human liver bile contains the CYP3A4 enzyme.. So get some clean persons bile (your own won't work if you used opiates/benzos as your liver is what processes these and obviously bile is produced in the liver, so put two and two together genius...) and mix it with some suboxone... Bit harder and bit easier to get caught so i'd recommend first use a friends urine and have him/her take a sub, if that doesn't work or you don;t have any clean friends then use a dog/car (dog is a lot easier to get their urine), and if that doesn't work either than mix some chamomile tea with suboxone... All 3 methods worked for me but my doctor uses a s***ty dipstick test...

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Ok, I posted a few days ago and I have an update.. I went to see my subox doc today and I asked for copies of the last 2 lab results.. It appears now that they switched labs and use a more sophisticated one... Anyway the 3 drug tests I will be writing about are one October, one from November, and today's.

October - In october I used a clean friend's urine who had nothing in his system except for a single 8mg subox film he took a like a day or two earlier.. However, I did not have much urine of his since I've been been using it the past few times I got tested. I had to add water each time. So each time it was about 1/8 of his urine and the rest water. October's test came back showing 9 ng/Ml of buprenorphine and 3 ng/Ml of norbuprenorphine. No problems with creatine (has to be below 20 ng/Ml to constitute a diluted sample. All other drugs and their metabolytes showed up negative. Test was done using Mass Spectromatry. I was a little surprised that the norbuprenorphine was lower than the parent drug, buprenorphine, in concentration.. It should be the other way around really...

November: This was the shocker! I ran out of my friend's urine at this point so I used chamomile tea, which kind of looks like urine, and dissolved about 2 mg (1/4 of a film) in the tea. Buprenoprine was off the chart, as expected, it was >1500 ng/Ml.. It should be like under 20 lol. There wasn't really any surprises considering I dissolved 2mg of subox, so obviously if the measurement is in nanograms, that'd be like 2 million ng... (I don't remember exactly how much less a nanogram is than a miligram but I believe its 10^-2 since it goes miligram, then microgram, then nanogram...) The most shocking part though was that there was actually 11 ng/Ml of norbuprenorphine detected by the lab test. I don't know how this could've happened since norbuprenorphine is produced from buprenorphine + liver enzymes. Maybe something in the chamomile tea/water made it this way... However, since I didn't use any urine in this test, my creatine was 0 ng/Ml.

Today's test. I used a combination of about 1/4 dog's urine (Dog ate about 1 mg of suboxone 2 days before I collected the urine) and chamomile tea with about 2 mg of suboxone dissolved in it. Preliminary tests showed a positive for suboxone. When the lab comes back it will most likely show a very high concentration of buprenorphine since I dissolved a strip in the tea+dogs urine mixture. However, it will also show norbuprenorphine since norbuprenorphine is also produced by a dog's liver. Also, the test before this, where I simply just used chamomile tea + dissolved subox and no urine, showed a normal concentration of norbuprenorphine. This time my creatine levels should be normal though since I did use a dog's urine.

Other comments: My doctor didn't even bat an eye at the fact that it clearly said the same may have been diluted and the creatine level was 0 ng/Ml!! Nor did he say anything about the astronomically high level of parent drug buprenorphine vs normal level of norbuprenorphine.

So in conclusion... Yes, dissolving a suboxone in water (use chamomile tea, it looks like urine) will work. It WILL WORK for the preliminary and for reasons that I don't understand it will show both buprenorphine and norbuprenorphine on the lab. However, if your doctor is strict and reads the lab results when they come in (mine doesn't not even before the visit, and I know this since he spent a few mins glancing over the results because I had asked the lab tech for them).. So obviously he didn't look at them earlier, put any notes in his patient chart, or even look at them before he came in the exam room... So yes, this system will work BUT you will have an abornormally high concentration of parent drug buprenorphine vs norbuprenorphine and also your creatine will be 0 ng/Ml.

Notes - Cut off on a dip stick test is 5 ng/ml for both buprenorphine and norbuprenorphine. I'm rx'ed 4 mgs of suboxone a day, or hlaf a strip... For opiods, at least from this lab, they test for methadone, EDDP, codeine, hydrocodone, hydromorphine, merepidine (demerol), morphine, tramadol, oxycodone, oxymorphone (Opana - my FAVVVV opiate! Opana 10 mg IR's pwn heroin) and 6 AM-Heroin (the main metabolyte of heroin along with 3 AM-Heroin). The cutoff are all 20 ng/ml for each drug except heroin which is 10 ng/Ml

So yeah, you CAN dissolve subox and it will shwo up as a positive on your preliminary.. To the people that said it would also should up as an opiate, I did some research... On old drug tests this did actually happen, however, the new drug tests have been reengineered so that buprenorphine does not give a false positive for opiates. And whoever wrote that buprenorphine IS an opiate is an idiot... It's completely synthetic. It is not derived from papaver somniforum (the poppy plant which opiates both legal and illegal like codeine, morphine, heroin, vicodin, etc. come from)

If you want to pass both the preliminary and the lab test, either get a friend who takes subox to pee for you or use a dog/cat... This will satisfy the preliminary dip stick test but also the creatine and appropriate levels on the lab. You can dissolve a subox in tea/water and use it as I mentioned earlier but you will have an abnormally high concentration of buprenorphine vs norbuprenorphine and also you creatine will be 0 ng/Ml... if you have any questions you can email me at xxxxx@xxx {edited for privacy}

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How long does it take for Subutex to be detected in urine? If I have a friend take a Subutex at 7pm the day before, and the test is at 4pm the following day, will the Subutex show up by then? Also, isn’t it dangerous to give an animal Suboxone or Subutex?

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Another question, if I use clean urine with Subutex in it and freeze the left overs will the Subutex be detected in the next test (4 weeks later)?

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Putting suboxone directly in urine will give a result of: positive for buprenorphine, positive for opiates, and slightly positive for norbuprenorphine. Period, end of discussion. Iv done it many times, tested it inside and outside with all types of combinations, drugs in my system, not in my system, etc. I don't know the chemestry behind it but it's a fact. Putting straight suboxone into perfectly clean urine will somehow give a positive result for opiates. You can take it or leave it but that's what it is. And I apologize for any typos but I am very literate to whoever insulted me in previous post, I'm typing on a phone and its tough. I have two degrees from UMass and work at a bank so nuff said bout that shiz. Happy 'jamming' blueberry sniffers. :)

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Nick, I'm not insulting you - you're one of like the only people who is literate and has some level of intelligence. And although we seem to disagree on one aspect of this lil experiment, I respect your opinion and value your insight. That comment was refering to the large amount of people who can't spell common three syllable words. You seem pretty intelligent so let's figure this out together because we seem to be having different results. So let's try to control the variables and answer this question once and for all.

However, I'm a bit confused. I do believe you that you have tested this and it came out positive. However, were you using a dipstick test or was this a lab test like with mass spectromatry?
I do know that some things you'd never expect can trigger a false positive. For example, one day I needed some clean urine and I couldn't find any so I crushed up some Vitamin B complex pills and dissolved it in water. It tested positive for opiates! I was like wtf?! No way! So I tested it again and it came back positive again. I assume it was some substance used to form the pill.

However, I have dissolved the strips in urine and it has come back positive for buprenorphine, norbuprenorphine and negative for opiates on three dip stick tests (1 at home, 2 at doc's office) and one lab test (waiting for the results back from the previous preliminary). When you tried this did you dissolve the pills or the strips? Perhaps the pills have something in them that can trigger a false positive as my experience with the Vitamin B pills (Almost all pills contain cellulose, titanium dioxide, and other nasty chems).

So let's break it down... For both Nick and myself, dissolving suboxone (for me strips, I don't know if Nick used the strips or the pills) WILL show up positive for buprenorphine and norbuprenorphine. So we agree on that... For me, as stated earlier, I tested it three times on a preliminary and and got the lab results back once so far with the dissolving method. All 3 times - POSITIVE for buprenorphine (positive for norbuprenorphine on lab) and NEGATIVE for opiates. (I can provide proof as I do have the paperwork from the lab and the preliminary) Of course, the buprenorphine of concentration was way higher than it should be and the norbuprenorphine was somewhat within range. Bupe was x>1500 ngs/ml, norbupe was like 11 ngs/ml. Creatine was 0 ngs/ml so obviously it was a totally diluted sample.

However, our disagreement lies with whether dissolving a suboxone in water (I dissolved in tea actually so when I wrote water here and previously, I'm actually refering to chamomile tea) will be positive or not for opiates.
For me, on the preliminary twice at the doctor's office and when I tested it on my own, it DID NOT come out positive for opiates. Also, when it was sent out to the lab it DID NOT come back positive for opiates and they actually check like 9 different kinds both synthetic and non - methadone, hydromorphone, oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc using mass spectromatry.

So basically it comes down to this... For me using the strips and one of those $40 dip stick tests from walgreens (it's called like At Home Drug Test Kit) it did NOT show up positive for opiates. I don't know what kind of dip stick the doctor uses in his office but I assume it's a cheap one since they need tons of them. The test kit I bought from Walgreens that I used at home does not test for suboxone.

So Nick, I guess my question would be this: When you tested your sample, were you using the strips or the pills? How much would you estimate you dissolved? I used 1-2mgs of a strip. Also, when it came back positive was it on a dipstick test? What kind of dip stick test was it? I have heard of the old dip stick tests creating false positives for people that use suboxone and no other drugs but still come up dirty for opiates. I highly doubt it would've come back positive from a MS lab test since those seperate molecules using gas so there's really no way buprenorphine/norbuprenorphine would have turned into a completely other molecule, especially not an opiate or a synthetic/semi-synthetic opiate with just some H20.
Nick, I'm willing to bet that if you took a 8mg suboxone strip, dissolved 1-2 mgs in some chamomile tea, and tested it with one of the Walgreen's At Home Drug Test, it WOULD NOT come out positive for opiates. That's the method that I used, what kind did you use? The two variables we have to control are pills vs strips and the type of dipstick used.
Please let me know...

And yes Ash, Suboxone is safe to give to animals. Buprenorphine is being used in veterinary medicine for rats, cats, dogs, horses, and even elephants from the research I've done. However, the doses that are given to cats and dogs are in micrograms so you have to be careful. A small Maltese had about .5mg to 1.0mg administered orally was fine but pretty sedated. He did not have any breathing problems though and respiratory failure is the most common cause of death from all types of opiates - natural, synthetic, semi-synthetic.
Ash, you also asked about subutex/suboxone. They're essentially the same thing. Subutex only has buprenorphine in it. Suboxone has buprenorphine and naloxone in a 4:1 ratio - 8mgs bupe:2mgs nalox. Naloxone is basically a chemical that reverses the action of opiates. If you overdose on heroin or some other opiate, the doctors will stick you with a big needle full of naloxone and revive you. That being said, the half life of buprenorphine is about 37 hours although there is some arguement about this. I've heard of figures as low as a half life of 7 hours and as high as 60 hours. To answer your question, the subutex/suboxone will definately show up the next day. Most drugs, both legal and illicit, metabolize very quickly. You have no need to worry though, the subutex/suboxone has certainly metabolized by that time. If you look at the website, dog's that were given buprenorphine (I believe they were given it through intramuscular injection if I remember correctly) already showed up for metabolytes just 20 minutes later..

If anyone is going to try the administering suboxone to an animal and using their urine should utilize this guide to keep the animals safe. I love animals and would hate for an animal to die or go through anything more than a lil sedation. So do some reading.. Page 90 will give you a chart which you can use to find the best time to collect the sample so you get a good amount of both metabolized buprenorphine and norbuprenorphine.

cp.vetlearn.com/Media/PublicationsArticle/VTX_09_02_83.pdf


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Dave, so if I get clean urine, have a friend take a Sub, and freeze the urine; the Suboxone will still be in the frozen urine for the next test (4 weeks)? How long can urine be frozen so that Subs still show up?

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Um there most definitely is a test for subs..its different then a regular 5(+) panel test..the test is specifically designed to detect subs..how else would suboxone clinic test they're patients? On a truth/trust system? I highly doubt tht would work w addicts! But u are right about regular tests, u can take subs and they will not b detected! So don't lie to ppl tht really need correct answers...u shouldn't act like ur so sure unless u total are...u should just speak about ur personal experience, like taking the test u took didn't detect it...

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