How To Get Off Suboxone (Page 37)
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Im Marina Im 24 years old and a mother of 2 beautiul little boys. From the years 2006-2007 i was heavily addicted to Oxy 80 and eventually started doing herion. I got help in sep.2007 at a methadone clinic, it worked for as long as i was on the methadone i had NO relapse's. In June 2009 i was completly off of the methadone that first day that i was on 0Mgs I went through extreme withdrawls i went through things that i would never wish upon my worst enemy! i stayed that way for a day and a half and decided to go to a suboxone doctor. He put me on 32 mgs a day which i thought was pretty high of a dose but he explained to me that methadone withdrawls was worst then any other withdrawls. so i trusted him. Now when i go to see him every month i pretty much beg for him to start the weining process and start lowering me and he pretty much refuses. After months of being on 32mgs a day he finally started tapering me down slowly, i never really thought any thing of it till now but i realized he's keeping me on the suboxne for as long as posible so that he can get my $200.00 a month. all he is, is a legal drug dealer bc now im highly addicted to the suboxone. I recently had to go a few days with out my suboxone bc i didnt have the money to see him and i went through hell. i thought methadone withdrawl was bad OMG there is no comparison. i wanted to either use which i havent done in years or rip my face off lol its funny now but it definatley wasnt funny a few days ago while i was feeling that way! So i spoke to a good friend whos going through the same thing and he told me that they just came out with a new pill to get you off suboxone. I just want to know if that's true. I tryed googleing it but i cant find any thing. If you have heard of this new pill please respond or if you even have a good way to get off soboxone as painless and posible... thanx

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subsuck, I hate to bother you again, but I'm tapering and down to 1/2 every other day. I'm so nauseous can't eat, so tired, is all this normal. I will not go but to drugs period. I just can't stand the nausea. Can you help?

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I agree, subs suck. I,m down to 4mg. I gained weight on subs, 10lbs. Never cared one way or the other for chocolate now I can eat bags of the mini peanut buter cups or whatever. Gotta get off this stuff.

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to do a real taper of subs you would actually have to disolve in water and reduc to less than 1mg...everyone is different so i don't want to say you can't but I think that at that level you will be in withdrawls that is why I think you need a bridge like Krantom. Please let me know if you are ok by getting less than 1 mg and still no withdrawls. I have heard that 12-15 pills of immodium(lopermide) can really help reduce withdrawls. I know it works for paws because of personal experience but think it can help someone up front if they haven't been on it very long and for certain body types

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Can you help me with how I can get off of Sub. Been on it 2 weeks at 16mg a day. Thanks so much.

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Thanks, Ive only taken about 4 1/2 mgs in 3 days, I have to work tomorrow, so im thinking Ill take about a 5th of a 8mg strip which is less then 2mgs. I only work sunday, tuesday, and thursdays, So i figure if I just take a piece on those 3 days, In a week or so, Ill be ok. Then try to stop. What are your thoughts.

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Take a look online for more krantom info. Krantom really helps bridge the gap from suboxone to cold turkey. Once you stop suboxone the withdrawls are pretty bad and tapering with Krantom was a life saver. And your right that I do know a lot about getting off of suboxone because I had to live on it and actually get off. I've also helped a lot of my friends. I don't think anyone can give true credible advice unless you've gone through it. Suboxone is just too complex compared to all other opiated.

As far as where to get Krantom-- Your local smoke shops might have it but you don't smoke it. Check out info below!

Opiate detox
Kratom can lessen the severity of withdrawals with causing little itself. This gives it a huge advantage over modern treatment methods involving such drugs as . Though it is not fully known as to how Kratom eases , there are some likely reasons. tend to bind to mu and delta opioid receptors in the brain. This is the reason that users experience the powerful euphoric effects. The , however, is a result of the binding that occurs with the mu opioid receptors. Kratom's active alkaloids tend to bind only with the delta opioid receptors, and this binding action causes little, if any, addiction. It is possible that a small amount of binding occurs with the mu receptors, but this would be at a level to low to cause moderate addiction. Some claim that the mu binding action can increase if large amounts of mitragynine are consumed, but this is not clear.

Kratom as a Opiate substitute
Since Kratom affects the brain much like ; Kratom has been a popular opiate substitute in some parts of South-East Asia. Many opium addicts in Thailand are reported to chew Kratom leaves if opium is not available. In most cases, Kratom is just used as a substitute until more can be acquired, though some users do combine the two drugs.

Source: Kratom Wiki

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I just finished my second bundle of rocket fuel and it's not even 3 o'clock yet....tried making an appointment at a rehab clinic this morning and they couldn't get me in for 3 months. That was the 23rd place I tried. Don't ever get addicted to anything in NYS because it's impossible to get help. I'm just gonna OD and call it a life I give the f*** up man

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Subsuck, what is Krantom? I've never heard of it and what does it do for you? I'm am sick to my stomach almost all the time, which makes eating almost impossible. Since I started subs, I've lost 30 lbs. which is ok by me but I'm so sick to my stomach. Is that the withdraway. I appreciate all your posts, you seem to know alot about this and I need to know, I'm almost done with 1/4 of a pill. What will happen next? Thank you and God bless you for helping me.

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With the exception of a 7-8 month period, I been on Suboxone since 2005. Its ridiculous! I seriously need advice. I have only taken about 4 mgs in 3 days! Im in bed as I write, dragging, and I want off this drug! I tried it once before and it was brutal, I wound up with a full blown dope and cocaine replapse, but I seek not to do this again. I need your help,

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That is great cookie that you are down to a quarter every other day. That is very hard for a lot of people. It is best to be as low as possible when you taper off. The tapering is difficult because at those levels in sure your starting to feel sick. This is where I feel suboxone is different and it is very hard to stop. If are are able to ER lower and still function than I would encourage it. The way you would need to do it is dissolve the suboxone in water and strt doing millimeters. .25 of a pill is still 2500 mcgs.
Can you find Krantom where you live? If so I recommend buying the capsule form and do a 2 week tapering with krantom. With .25 every other day you would be in a position to take your last dose of suboxone and then the 2nd day start takinging krantom. I have a method that I postmarked previously in the thread. It consist I taking krantom for several days and then tapering off it over two weeks. That is the way I quit and have been ever since. There are still withdrawl symptoms but very manageable whixh allows me to work a very stressful job every day and take care o my family. In addition I highly recommend reading end your addiction now. A nutritional guide. It is very important that you get the nutrition it recommends due to the opiates creating major deficiencies in your body.

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My doctor told me you have to in withdrawal before you start the subs. You have to be just getting sick. After you take the first one, 20 minutes you feel better.

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I relapsed again and I'm very disappointed if anyone can answer me a question. I'm taking 250mg of oxycodone percocet a day. and I'm going back on subs as it was terrible and I just am disappointed about myself. I want to ask if I took the last dose which was 5x 10mg of percocet at 6pm and I wait the whole 24 hrs I'm in w/d I just have heard that before you start a 24 hrs wait you only take 1 pill then start the wait period.

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To all: you should not dwell on getting off suboxone and do not rush through a 15 day detox. I do not believe that will work out for long it takes a long time to get addicted, and no one pushes through 3, 5, 15 dAys to get off their drug of choice so, suboxone treatment should be stopped with your dr. Yes the monthly fee is wanted, but they also know that it takes a long, very slow taper to properly come off suboxone. The fact is, you are not suppose to feel any withdrawal at all after your final tapered dose is done. No withdrawal. Not bad for a day or two, then normal. No withdrawal. So, good starting immediately after final dose. Slow taper takes a long time. So what? Besides money, why the hype and kicking yourself now cause you think you are on suboxone too long. Relapse rates are extremely low with long long term sub patients and high with short term. Also for person on 1/3 tab a day feeling withdrawal shortly after taking and then all day, 1/3 tab a day dose needs to be reviewed by doc. No wonder you feel horrible. Have that dose checked out and if it's increased (surely it will be), ask to have dosing where you take sub dose a few times during the day so relief is therapeutically spread out through day and right before bed. Talk to your doctor about 1/3 tab day and how you feel for rest of the long, agonizing day. In closing, all need to stop rushing their suboxone. Really think about what is the big deal if take a med every day. If med is stopping illicit use, you are helping yourself, taper slow slow slow and you can stop properly, with no withdrawal at the end. Dont settle for anything less than that. Also, about monthly fee, tell iffice about the $ being almost impossible, but you want to stay on med and see dr properly, simply suggest the amount per month you can handle to pay for visit, nothing is stopping an office from agreeing to reduce a patients fee on an as needed basis. Try it. If insured, & they don't take insurance, print out medical office visit claim forms from insurance co website, bring them to dr office for signature and cosing (3 min of staff time and within your rights if they dont take your insurance) then you fill out rest and send in to insurance co after each visit "assignment of benefits" line, check "no" meaning "no", to dr office receiving reimbursement of % of office fee you paid, and "yes" to you, the patient receiving reimbursement heck from your insurance co for % of office visit fee you pay each month/visit . Usually you can send retroactive up to 90 days. Let me know if any questions. Thanks.

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Thanks so much for your post, I am really struggline with these subs. I am down to a fourth of a pill every other day, but very depressed, agitated, ready to hurt someone, snap at everyone. I just hope its over soon. Thanks again, God bless you.

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I trully feel that only those on suboxone and those that have gotten off or tried to get off trully understand the complexity, difficulty, and discipline it requires. For those out there I am happy to share my experience of getting off and give hope to those that have reached the point that they need to get off. I do believe suboxone has its purpose and is terrific for for that cause however there is a point that it needs to be discontinued in ones life.... To get off is very dificult with the information out there but I promise it can be done and it's worth it. I was able to do it and i want to help anyone that is ready to get off. Real life is amazing and is not that many days away for any suboxone user.

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Wow, I have been searching sites for ways to stop taking Suboxone and have never read a post like yours! That was very nice of you to type all that, step by step in order to help those of us that feel completely trapped by Suboxone. I pray for all of us that have been touched by any addiction. Only we can truly understand each other.

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This is not to get into arguments with anyone, especially "professionals" with no experience taking the drugs in question personally, but simply to share my experience.

I was originally put on Suboxone in 2004 or 05, and with the exception of 1 year going to a methadone clinic, I've been on it ever since. I started out at 8mg per day, but had some periods of as much as 16mg per day, though not recently. I have sporadically used street drugs for most of this period, although the last three years my life has steered me farther and farther away from street drugs, until now the Suboxone is my only opiate problem. I have no desire to get high on anything, mentally or physically, and I desperately want to be off of the Sub.

This, though, is easier said than done. When I was on higher doses, I took the Sub once a day and the long half-life seemed to carry through as billed. For some three or more years now, I've been on doses ranging from 4mg/ day to 2mg/day, always fighting to taper down. At these lower doses, I have had to take the Sub numerous times per day, breaking the pills or strips up into pieces. If I miss a dose, I feel it in my bones-- there is no question of "forgetting" to take a dose for a day, since I likely won't sleep that night. This is something about Sub that I've seen mentioned by others online, but rarely-- most people insist they are fine skipping days. Perhaps this is because I've been on it for so long, I don't know.

Tapering this stuff seems to be really hard, although other factors make a big difference in how sick I get as I go down in dosage. Having support, stability, and purpose (preferably other than simply being like all the "normal" people out there, since "normal" people tend to turn out to be anything but once you get a close enough look) is essential, since the pain of w/d seems to be relative and contingent on outside factors. That said, it is never "painless."

I now take 2mg per day, splitting up the film into 5 or so pieces throughout the day. I feel every tiny sliver I take off of my daily dosage, and need periods of weeks or months between each step down. I'm not saying that this will be what everyone will experience as they try to taper, but this is what I go through.

Suboxone is a miracle drug like methadone was a miracle drug, like heroin was at one point a miracle drug, like morphine was before that. The doctors are happy to push on their patients whatever the drug reps carry in through their doors, and are usually pretty clueless about what their patients will go through. Neither do they care. In my experience, Suboxone is NOT preferable to methadone in helping a person quit using, except in so far as one does not have to sit in a meth clinic waiting room with people nodding off next to you, since that makes it that much harder to have access to street drugs and people who use. In many crucial ways, it is inferior: it seems harder to taper down than meth, not only because it is so hard to know how much you are taking, exactly, at any given time since the pills/film are so small, but in its more basic physiological effects-- it just seems to hurt more! The good thing about methadone was that one could control one's taper very very effectively, going from 30 to 29 mg or from 11 to 10mg every week. A 5-10% weeekly reduction in methadone really was painless for me. On the other hand, one simply can't cut the Subs precisely enough to know that one is really going down 10%, much less 5%, so one is ALWAYS experiencing some w/d as one steps down.

I would love to hear from anyone else who's been on this stuff for a few years or more.

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Hi, my hubby has random drug testing (hair) at his job. He has been on subs since 2008 and they know nothing about it. He has not once, failed a test :) He has a lot riding on his job too, 100+gs a year!!!

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thanks for the reply, hope all goes well with your new move, as for the subs go down to 1/2mg. in the am and 1/2 in the pm. Just got hubby home from hospital, 2nd surgery in 11 months, so I did not drop again yet, I plan to drop to a 1/4 in the pm this week then 1/4 in the am, taking it kind of slow, scared to go to fast. I know now why they call subs a wounder drug, because you wounder how the heck your going to get off it. If you are not on subs PLEASE think about really good before you do, it is just one more type of legal hell. you know longer belong to yourself, you belong to the elite, the suboxone group, it doesnt matter how you got here, justified or not we are all handed the same sentence and no way tells you the truth about the end results. I would only use this drug for 2 reason 1. being the last resort to death or jail. 2. In so much pain, and seeing a good pain mangement dr that your pain can not be controlled by meds (or if you can not controll yourself on the proper amount of meds given to you) and that is it! Do not do this because you take 4 norco a day or a low dose of anything, just decrease what you are taking step by step because going to subs is 100 worse than the small problem as above. For those who really need it, take it and god bless you, for those who can stop without using subs do it, do not let anyone tell you, if you use the subs you will have no WD, guess what ? They do not tell about the WD you will have coming off subs do they? I know I am having a bad day, but the truth is the truth no matter what . I know what you are going threw, and I think the new move may help you alot, a new beginning, a new life, so hang in there and go for it.

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Im pretty much where your at steffie, although I snort subs and it effects you a lil differently then under the tongue, basically since your nasal passages are thinner than your gutz so it gets in your blood faster and stays longer for some reason... so like a 2 millis is like 4 or even 8 in the long run...ive been on these dreadful things for 3 yrs now, mainly to get off 80s and brown and stay off, on my own accord(non doc prescribed)had i known what I was getting myself into at the time I woulda have just went through ox wd's! so tappering for me is difficult since I dont really have an accurate dosage, it changes day to day but never more than 2 millis. but I have to do it as i will be moving soon and wont have a connect any longer...which im completely fine with I mean I trully want to get off em, and ive suffered numerous times without it so I deffo know the pain of wds all to well and heres my advice for those pesky wds...if you have access to colonodine and benzos(klonopins) when your off sub completely it would be a good idea...the colonodine will help with the general flu like wd's(hot...cold creepy crawlies up and down your body), restless legs that sort of sick) and the k-pins will help with anxiety,depression and sleep as the mental can be pretty awful especially if your already prone to depression like myself...also immodium and benedryl will also be helpful allies in the battle...antihistamines. for the sneezing and watery eyes and immodium for the bubblegutz...everybody has a certain wd symptom that they hate more than the rest for me its not sleeping from restless legs..so I find a quick workout and stretching than a nice warm shower afterwards does wonders...now for people that dont have access to these drugs I would just say good luck and stick it out...but I found a workaround on a website pillgoldusa...google it! and if you got the money to spend look up the blood pressure meds, aldactone=colonodine and buspar=klonopins there generic and dont get you high like k-pinz and xanax.. but you can get adicted to buspar especially if you snort it(dont snort it) some people its a wonder drug some people just dont get what the drugs purpose is as it has to build up for a couple days for it to work properly...but all you really need it for is the month your off subs....also i cant stress enough how important bananas are(potassium) and multivitamins in general get plenty of liquids in ya and eat healthy and workout once a day(sit-ups,push-ups,jumping jacks)get your blood moving and sweat sweat sweat! stay away from caffeine and fatty foods as they store all the bad stuff you want to get out of your system including beer :(..all of this being said there is NO CURE for wd's but maybe this advice will make it a little easier to cope...especially when you work 5 days a week in a close knit office environment! expect these symptoms to last about a month after tapering down to 1...2 millis of sub a day...although nobodies body is the same...best advice is just stick with it and dont sit around stay buzy dont just lay in bed...cause then you start thinking of subs and thats how you relapse...this drug maybe physical but the mental anguish lasts much longer than the physical...so stay strong my (sub)humans...once I move i'll be a regular on this site updating everybody on my progress...and eventually we'll all be able to drop the sub and just be human and you'll be10x happier and stronger YOU CAN DO IT!

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