Generic Subutex/buprenorphine. Ranking From Best To Worst. (Page 7)

This is for people who actually take Subutex for the intended purpose for which it is used. So if you actually take the medication sublingually, this thread will help you. I have been taking buprenorphine for three and a half years now. This is what I have found: (8mg)

Best: Actavis 153/half moon (orange)
Middle: Roxanne 54/411 (white)
Worst: Hi-Tech 8/arrow

Again, this is for people who take medication as prescribed. You can actually break the medication in half and put it and the front of your lip like dip & chewing tobacco. It will take longer for it to dissolve like this but you will get much much more of the bupe.

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Re: regpharm22 (# 14)

The Roxanne was bought out by west ward and they have since put the 54-411's back on the market. THey are appearing at Walmarts and other chain pharmacys around the country nagain. so, no. They are not gone forever.

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Hello all. I'm curious about these Suboxone pills in my area there's not many places to get the pills , here we get the sublingual strips brand name Suboxone. How does the effects differ between the two, the strip and the pill. Is one better than the other? Anybody have experience with both? I would greatly appreciate so information on this

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Re: Amanda (# 53)

Can you explain what kind of reactions you had to the sun brand?

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Yes is it true that Roxane and westward pharmaceuticals both are the same in making the 54-411 subutex tabs? Cause I noticed that it says on my med bottle now it doesn't say Roxanne anymore but does say westward but still has the 54-411 tabs inside the bottle. Can anyone explain?

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Re: Jessica (# 7)

Try a mom and pop shop. They usually carry top quality generics. 54 11 is west ward pharm which is formally Roxanne. West ward bought them out and are up to par with top quality companies like Watson. Stay away from cvs, Walgreens, and rite aid. Small family owned pharmacies carry the best

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Re: bupeODorol (# 1)

Why bother imo its not a good feeling ,causes depression raises blood pressure anxiety plus nightmare trying to get off it, its not the wonder cure plus if you have the misfortune of being in pain no pain killers will work.

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I’ve never seen orange subutex. I take the white 54 411 which used to be Roxanne & have tried the small ones with arrows that used to be Hi Tech. The 54 411 work great for me. The arrows (not sure the brand now, used to be Hi Tech) literally felt like placebo pills. My doctor used to write “No Hi Tech” on my scripts. I’m interested in the orange ones you mentioned. I go to a small pharmacy and have been to just about every pharmacy around and have never seen orange except for in Suboxone.

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Re: bupeODorol (# 1)

I hold the saliva ten minutes after the pill is gone. Works even better I think.

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Re: BigDaddy8484 (# 3)

What pharmacies carry the actavis Subutex?

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Re: BigDaddy8484 (# 8)

I'm not sure who sells the 54 411. I get mine from the clinic. I only get take homes weekly, which sucks, but gotta question... I as well take Subutex 54 411 and like I said I get weekly take homes. I've been clean for over 3 years, but the clinic I go to will crush the subs on the first day of getting take homes and we have to dose in front of them which is no problem to me... But makes us hold it in our mouth under the tongue and gives us a tiny bit of mouthwash to help dissolve it. They say to hold it for 5 minutes so that's what I do but I've heard crushing them takes away the effectiveness of the pill or any subs of any kind. Not sure what you think about this, just curious if you can post this on here or forward this please, as it would be very helpful for me. Thanks for all your posts. Been reading some great advice!

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Re: Staci Burnett (# 21)

Ooooooh no- withdrawals from Suboxone are only second to high doses(like above 80 mg a day) of Methadone- aka the worst drug known to man when it comes to tapering and w/d. I’d say the biggest mistake of my life- worse than losing my ability to work as a nurse- was staying on Suboxone as long as I did. If you’re concerned about getting off, I’d do it ASAP but very slowly.

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Hey- I really appreciate you starting this thread because I’m having a lot of trouble with Actavis. I switched to Subutex in an effort to make my second attempt at tapering a bit easier- that requires a long explanation so I’ll just get to my question. When you absorb buccally, do you actually put the pill right up front like a dip or on the side of your mouth between cheek and upper or lower set of teeth? I just tried your method(or what I think is your method) and I’m pretty sure it worked. I wonder if whatever is in Actavis is more effective when absorbed buccally rather than sublingually. I’ve had problems with Actavis for-ev-er. Every time I’ve gotten it over the past 7 years- both Suboxone and now Subutex. If you could reply with as much specificity as possible in regards to your method and exactly where you place the tablet between cheek and gum, I would really appreciate it and thanks again for starting this forum.

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Re: Brigid Coyne (# 131)

Thanks for your post. I lost or surrendered my R.N. license as well. This was in 2001 before subs. I was quickly duel-diagnosed to bi-polar so I became another statistic. Getting a check has crippled me. Back then I was blind to the repercussions. Anyway, take care. God bless. Oh, btw, I've been on subutex since 2005. My addictionologist said I would have to take it all my life. I'm ok with that. It works!!!

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Re: kaiami (# 127)

The orange half moon subutex is made by actavis...In my area Walgreens has them. And I will do anything I can to avoid these ones. I will only accept westwards now hikma 54s or my number one is Rhodes. Now there is a site to Google called 'btodrems' and they list the generics. I'm going to check something now and I will get back to you about something.

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Re: kaiami (# 127)

Westward, now hikma 54 411 have 8.64 buprenorphine equivalent to 8mg...same with Rhodes 8.64mg of buprenorphine equivalent to 8mg. Now the orange half moon is only 8mg...

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Re: davidjw1 (# 114)

Hi david, I have been looking for you...so for the first time I will be trying hikma 54's again.... ..I called my pharmacy ready for a refill...his answer was they didn't come in..( my Rhodes). So I have just lowered my dose and waited to call him in a few days..they were on back order he said my next shipment comes on the 11th Wednesday..so it Saturday..I'm doing what ever I can to avoid the orange half moon from Walgreens..today I went into my local cvs I have never ordered from them before I thought well I don't know what to do only taking bits at a time. I decided fill it..I go back in an hour I ask oh what company are they from.?? Hikma,.. so I will see it's been a long time for me, .. I was in Walgreens shopping before that stop and damn I almost caved in knowing I'm out of medacine..cvs is just across the street compatition to each other..anytime I have ever been in cvs was when I was desperate like I was now, they have always turned me away saying they only have enough for their own Customers. This time I went in with a different attitude because I have new insurance Humana this year..I told them I'm new to this insurance,..I was told cvs was my pharmacy to go to and here is my script. It went perfectly as planned...everything I said was true..I can go to any pharmacy I want to as long as they take my insurance so ...I just made it sound better that's all..lol.

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Re: Jeremy (# 124)

Yes. Hikma now owns Westward they say 54 411 still but they changed up the ingredients. They are not shinny like the Roxanne they are a dull white kinda chalky...but they still a good generic..now we have two good generics to choose from hikma..or Rhodes..I do prefer Rhodes , but this month I had to go with hikma. The first time in about 8 months now..stay away from actavis.

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Re: Bryan (# 129)

In Florida, Walgreens everywhere has them...your not thinking about trying them ? In my opinion the buprenorphine. Is not strong at all. I mean it has 8mg..but why not get hikma or Rhodes, it has 8.64mg of buprenorphine equivalent to 8mg..so for your money get more out of them..well not to mention for myself the actavis doesn't agree with me and my doctor has to give me clonadine for nausea for a month. I dont get them unless all my options are gone

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Re: James (# 122)

I would say the difference between the pills and strips of suboxone would be the strips probably absorb better and with the pills it takes a lot longer and obsobtion is everything.. they used to have a generic by I dont know?? Dr.reddy?? And they had complaints and pulled them. Anyway I'm sure they are the same with no big difference just one obsorbs better. I'd go with strips. I have only used suboxone a short time. I started in 2005 when they first came out they would start you out on subutex for 6 days 7th day you had suboxone..I noticed a big difference in the two. To where I called my doctor asking for sure did you prescribe correctly? So I came up saying I didn't tolerate the naloxone well and have been on subutex ever since

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may I ask why you think and prefer and rank activas subutex as number one? I only ask as most people do not think fvery highly of these generic and tend to stray. however my pharmacy is a great pharmacy and order rhodes in for me but normally dispense the activas so i know they do not go cheap and pay well to dispense good medications including activas buprenorphine. I was curious why you ranked it 1? Have you tried the rhodes by purdue that were just approved last year? check out my forum on subutex it has over 650 replies and is a very informative thread. still would like to know your reasoning on your rankings thanks! also just an fyi that rhodes is identical to brand name subutex in every way in its active and inactive ingredients making it very strong effective fast acting and generally speaking brand name.

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