Generic Subutex/buprenorphine. Ranking From Best To Worst. (Page 4) (Top voted first)

This is for people who actually take Subutex for the intended purpose for which it is used. So if you actually take the medication sublingually, this thread will help you. I have been taking buprenorphine for three and a half years now. This is what I have found: (8mg)

Best: Actavis 153/half moon (orange)
Middle: Roxanne 54/411 (white)
Worst: Hi-Tech 8/arrow

Again, this is for people who take medication as prescribed. You can actually break the medication in half and put it and the front of your lip like dip & chewing tobacco. It will take longer for it to dissolve like this but you will get much much more of the bupe.

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Re: Charlene (# 66)

I am in a very similar situation. Honestly i'm glad to hear I'm not the only one! I feel as if I'm going crazy, but after years of being on the same dose/medication it no longer does what it used to.

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Yes is it true that Roxane and westward pharmaceuticals both are the same in making the 54-411 subutex tabs? Cause I noticed that it says on my med bottle now it doesn't say Roxanne anymore but does say westward but still has the 54-411 tabs inside the bottle. Can anyone explain?

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Re: bupeODorol (# 1)

Why bother imo its not a good feeling ,causes depression raises blood pressure anxiety plus nightmare trying to get off it, its not the wonder cure plus if you have the misfortune of being in pain no pain killers will work.

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Re: bupeODorol (# 1)

I hold the saliva ten minutes after the pill is gone. Works even better I think.

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Re: BigDaddy8484 (# 8)

I'm not sure who sells the 54 411. I get mine from the clinic. I only get take homes weekly, which sucks, but gotta question... I as well take Subutex 54 411 and like I said I get weekly take homes. I've been clean for over 3 years, but the clinic I go to will crush the subs on the first day of getting take homes and we have to dose in front of them which is no problem to me... But makes us hold it in our mouth under the tongue and gives us a tiny bit of mouthwash to help dissolve it. They say to hold it for 5 minutes so that's what I do but I've heard crushing them takes away the effectiveness of the pill or any subs of any kind. Not sure what you think about this, just curious if you can post this on here or forward this please, as it would be very helpful for me. Thanks for all your posts. Been reading some great advice!

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Hey- I really appreciate you starting this thread because I’m having a lot of trouble with Actavis. I switched to Subutex in an effort to make my second attempt at tapering a bit easier- that requires a long explanation so I’ll just get to my question. When you absorb buccally, do you actually put the pill right up front like a dip or on the side of your mouth between cheek and upper or lower set of teeth? I just tried your method(or what I think is your method) and I’m pretty sure it worked. I wonder if whatever is in Actavis is more effective when absorbed buccally rather than sublingually. I’ve had problems with Actavis for-ev-er. Every time I’ve gotten it over the past 7 years- both Suboxone and now Subutex. If you could reply with as much specificity as possible in regards to your method and exactly where you place the tablet between cheek and gum, I would really appreciate it and thanks again for starting this forum.

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Re: davidjw1 (# 114)

Hi david, I have been looking for you...so for the first time I will be trying hikma 54's again.... ..I called my pharmacy ready for a refill...his answer was they didn't come in..( my Rhodes). So I have just lowered my dose and waited to call him in a few days..they were on back order he said my next shipment comes on the 11th Wednesday..so it Saturday..I'm doing what ever I can to avoid the orange half moon from Walgreens..today I went into my local cvs I have never ordered from them before I thought well I don't know what to do only taking bits at a time. I decided fill it..I go back in an hour I ask oh what company are they from.?? Hikma,.. so I will see it's been a long time for me, .. I was in Walgreens shopping before that stop and damn I almost caved in knowing I'm out of medacine..cvs is just across the street compatition to each other..anytime I have ever been in cvs was when I was desperate like I was now, they have always turned me away saying they only have enough for their own Customers. This time I went in with a different attitude because I have new insurance Humana this year..I told them I'm new to this insurance,..I was told cvs was my pharmacy to go to and here is my script. It went perfectly as planned...everything I said was true..I can go to any pharmacy I want to as long as they take my insurance so ...I just made it sound better that's all..lol.

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Re: Jeremy (# 124)

Yes. Hikma now owns Westward they say 54 411 still but they changed up the ingredients. They are not shinny like the Roxanne they are a dull white kinda chalky...but they still a good generic..now we have two good generics to choose from hikma..or Rhodes..I do prefer Rhodes , but this month I had to go with hikma. The first time in about 8 months now..stay away from actavis.

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Re: Bryan (# 129)

In Florida, Walgreens everywhere has them...your not thinking about trying them ? In my opinion the buprenorphine. Is not strong at all. I mean it has 8mg..but why not get hikma or Rhodes, it has 8.64mg of buprenorphine equivalent to 8mg..so for your money get more out of them..well not to mention for myself the actavis doesn't agree with me and my doctor has to give me clonadine for nausea for a month. I dont get them unless all my options are gone

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Re: James (# 122)

I would say the difference between the pills and strips of suboxone would be the strips probably absorb better and with the pills it takes a lot longer and obsobtion is everything.. they used to have a generic by I dont know?? Dr.reddy?? And they had complaints and pulled them. Anyway I'm sure they are the same with no big difference just one obsorbs better. I'd go with strips. I have only used suboxone a short time. I started in 2005 when they first came out they would start you out on subutex for 6 days 7th day you had suboxone..I noticed a big difference in the two. To where I called my doctor asking for sure did you prescribe correctly? So I came up saying I didn't tolerate the naloxone well and have been on subutex ever since

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may I ask why you think and prefer and rank activas subutex as number one? I only ask as most people do not think fvery highly of these generic and tend to stray. however my pharmacy is a great pharmacy and order rhodes in for me but normally dispense the activas so i know they do not go cheap and pay well to dispense good medications including activas buprenorphine. I was curious why you ranked it 1? Have you tried the rhodes by purdue that were just approved last year? check out my forum on subutex it has over 650 replies and is a very informative thread. still would like to know your reasoning on your rankings thanks! also just an fyi that rhodes is identical to brand name subutex in every way in its active and inactive ingredients making it very strong effective fast acting and generally speaking brand name.

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Re: Charlene (# 138)

Himka charlene really?? You are still taking those? They are no where comparable to rhodes. People who switch from the 54 411 himkas to rhodes end up getting sick or zombie like as they are not used to such a strong and effective generic so they need to take a half rhodes compared to a full himka. The 54 411s were amazing when roxanne pharma was manufacturing them but they have not for a long long while. I think himka and think blaah bad news bears. Its rank:

1. Rhodes and Teva RP B8 and b799. The teva formulation is still the Barr Pharma bup formula. Teva is smart and has kept most of Barr Pharma products formulations as they are made great. This includes the Soma. Soma is currently being completely switched from activas elizabeth / mayne/ old watson formulation to being just dispensed by Teva and this switch has caused a huge shortage on somas currently going on. The DAN 5513 SOMA tablets should be back around May 31st or can be short date ordered by willing pharmacist but prior was dispensed by activas elizabeth / mayne pharma but now will show dispensed by Teva Pharma. I unfortunately had to get Jubliant Cadista Pharma somas this month anyways my point is teva is smart and has kept the formulations of medicine from barr, watson etc when they purchased out activas and watson so these two generics are identical and identical to brand name subutex. Anyways:

1. Brand Name Subutex B 8.
2. Rhodes- RP B8
3. Teva b799-barr pharma dispensed by Teva but barr formulation
4. Mylan M924- which is strange as all mylan products imo suck but not their bup formula
5. Hi Tech 8 (logo) arrow- smaller tablet
6. Himka- formely westward (semi decent tablet prior) then westward bought out by himka unfortunately- 54 411 chalky fall apart like crappy tablets that have become weak with the cover of imprint of the old good roxane 54 411s himka has ruined this imprint (ALL YOU NEED DO IS LOOK AT A PICTURE OF THE 54 411 TABLETS WHEN ROXANE MADE THEM COMPARED TO HOW THEY ARE NOW AND LOOK AT A PICTURE OF HIMKAS) this will show you how greatly this generic has fallen in himkas hands. the roxanes were hard pressed, shinny, not chalky, debossed and pushed out whereas westward and himkas are flat not debossed and pushed outwards like the old roxane ones and def are not shinny at all. just compare images to roxane 54 411 to an image of the current dispensed 54 411 by himka. the image comparison will show u all u need know
7. Activas- orange half moon (logo) 153
8. Sun pharma- 460 - these tablets have only received negative feedback. they burn the mouth are very cheap and are very weak

Rhodes and Teva are identical to brand and eachother with the same active and inactive ingredients making them the most potent bup tablets on the USA market today other than brand name which is not allowed in the states just like the suboxone tablets that were the stop sign shaped ones but these tablets are still made and dispensed in other countries (brand name subutex- b8, brand name suboxone tablets orange stop signs). suboxone films also now have two generics by amneal and teva.

Hope soma shortage is over soon and hope everyone realizes that the 54 411 are ruined and its psychological mentality keeping people on them and taking a full potent rhodes tablet when only have is needed as half of a rhodes is easily comparable to one if not two full 54 411 tablets. God bless love you all! Charlene, u must know this now, just compare images of roxane bup, westward bup, and himka bup. Since roxane they have slowly gotten more flat and less debossed and slowly but surely more chalky blaah.

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Re: Charlene (# 145)

Hey Charlene! Ya it is very unfortunate that Rhodes is currently unavailable. I was quite upset myself this past month about it. Those generics your getting is activas..blah. orange subutex just doesn't seem right to me but whatever. Stick to himka, Mylan, or teva OG. Rhodes is out of stock and on back order. Purdue must have not realized how popular and high of a demand their formulation of subutex would have been. I called it in 2017 that is why I had my post up back then. I wish they would have made more as demand needed. It is possible to get them still if your pharmacist is willing to short date order them. This means the pharmacy calls their wholesaler or purdue directly to order some that are left overs or going to expire within the next year. Very very few pharmacist will ever do this and it is very expensive. I have also ran into the same issue this last few months with my activas soma the dan 5531s. The Rhodes should be available around the beginning or end of August without short date ordering them in which no pharmacist will likely do and if so props for getting them to do so. I could have for my soma but at a dollar a pop per each and expired ones. Anyways I'm sorry to us all Rhodes will not he around until August and I'm happy I saved me a good amount of the Rhodes generics but upset to have to get himkas this past month but they actually look like the old Roxane formulation the way they look. God bless u all and stay away from anything that isn't the himkas Mylan or OG Teva everything else is bad news bears. I hope u all good health and good days. Rhodes will be back pursue underestimated or planned for a short on us but August could not come sooner right.

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Re: Charlene (# 145)

Have a big message coming but being reviewed. Back order til August love u all

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Re: Charlene (# 145)

Have a message being scanned in more detail but I'm sorry guys Rhodes back order n out of stock til august

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Re: regpharm22 (# 14)

Today is 3-5-2020 I just got my 54/411 generic subutex filled, again, just like the last year and a half every month, I had a different brand of suboxone with the naloxone crap in it at first but it was very expensive and my insurance wouldn't pay for it anymore (but they pay for the generic subutex without the naloxone crap in it). I'm on it for both opiate addiction and chronic pain, I noticed in about the first 5 minutes after the first 8mg pill started to melt that the pain relief quality was much better and lasted longer, I'm prescribed 8mg twice a day and some days when the chronic pain is not as bad as some days I don't have to take the other one later in the day, I actually have extra pills at the end of the month, have you EVER Heard of a junkie who has pills left over at the end of the month? I didn't think so, having the extra pills came in handy last summer when my insurance got screwed up one month and couldn't get it filled, I had enough to get me thru the month.

Between the two reasons why I take it, opiate addiction and chronic pain management I'm batting better than 500 and knocking it out of the park every day with the way I feel and how this drug, buprenorphine, has turned my life around, I'm not a walking refried warmed over death looking dopey doped up zombie. In Minnesota there is about 5 doctors in the whole state that are licensed to prescribe buprenorphine, mine is a psychiatrist I see at a mental health clinic, if anyone from Minnesota in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area needs to find a doctor who is licensed to prescribe it you can try ACP associated clinic of psychology, they have a few clinics in the area but only the one in Minneapolis on county road 25 next to St. Louis Park has the right doctor, I'm not going to guarantee that anyone can get in because the doctor can only have a certain number of patients who he can legally prescribe for and I don't have any of that information.

Please don't go get on methadone because it is the worst hell x 10 to get off of it if on for more than a year. Methadone clinics are prescribers now too, but the methadone clinic is not a fun place to be in trying to kick dope because of the "clientele" I was at one and it did help but I would rather go to the clinic I'm at now for mental health and addiction, haven't had anyone try to sell me dope or ask me for dope, doesn't remind me of a scene from The Walking Dead either like the methadone clinic does.

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Here's current info you can take to the bank. On generic subutex tabs for about 3 yrs. All obtained from local W.Greens in S. Fla. Originally on orange by actavis. No complaints and able to reduce from two 8 mg sublingual to one per day during a year and half. Then pharmacy switched to Rhodes/ Purdue. Again no complaints and was able to reduce to about 6 mg per day. Then on or about Sept 2021 everything changed. The Rhodes apparently and in retrospect got much weaker. I went through hell trying to figure out why I couldn't sleep, had the yawns, was depressed, etc.. It took months and help from friends to substantiate the weaker formulation. I finally changed pharmacies to try a different generic. I did have to get extras (the small ones by hitech). They were better than the modified Rhodes but I'm hoping for better since hitech are the least expensive to buy and I have excellent insurance. Trust me, it's no fluke, I'm very in tune w/ my body, and 3 others have confirmed. The Rhodes are garbage. A mean fast one has been perpetrated on patients prescribed sublingual generic subutex using the Rhodes brand as manufactured by Purdue.

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Re: Don ravis (# 158)

I will stick with Hikma formerly Roxane. Most CVS stock that or activis. I've been on subs 8mg x 3a day since 2005. Saved my life,!

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Re: Goozer (# 142)

Hey bud I don't know how to follow you but I stumbled on this page. I'm definitely interested in being involved in the talk. I take Rhodes now but today my CVS called and said it's on back order and don't know when they will be back in stock. Plus they said they can't get Roxanne 54111. Please share any info you have on this. Appreciated. Have a great day.

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Re: Always looking for the best (# 168)

I've been on Westward Hikma since Roxane sold out. My pharmacy is awesome. They order each month for me no problem. Been on suboxone 5yrs, then subutex since 2005 which saved my life. I'll be on it all my life. I stick with Westward.

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