Doctors Willing To Prescribe Heavy Pain Medication In Colorado (Page 84)

I have a serious problem. My dr. had two patients start dr. shopping and has decided it is too big of a pain in his butt to continue prescribing, even though I have gotten MRIs and Xrays to prove my problems. I have over a half a dozen herniated discs in my low back, along with degenerative disc disease, spinal stenosis, scoliosis and arthritis in my facet joints. I am currently on5 30mg oxycodone a day for breakthrough and 60mg of methadone for my long lasting meds. I REALLY need a doctor in the Denver, CO area who will not judge me because of my age, thinking I'm just some drug seeker as I TRULY need my meds to function. I am even being placed on disability until I can get my back healed because if something doesn't change I will be in big time pain for the rest of my life. If ANYONE knows of a good doctor that prescribes strong meds willingly in the Denver area please let me know. I am in desperate need of help as I am going to be SCREWED if I cannot find a good doctor. SOMEONE please help me with a doctor!!!!!

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Wendy... Did someone at CPR tell you that a file was already started re:Mac? Or, are you assuming? Just curious.

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Tammy2 Wendy mentions the patient losses a few posts back on this thread.

As for SAS being labeled a pill mill,it sounds to me like that won't be the case. The few that have gone there and posted were happy with the facility and the time spent with them. It appears they were very thorough, which would show the DEA (should they ask to see) that they took a history on the patients and have spent enough time with them to know what they have prescribed is the correct medication for that person.

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Holy Smokes! MAC! What the heck has happened? My youngest has had some bad medical issues that I've been out of state off and on since May and only have "checked in"! I got on because the general feeling at CPR has been very stressed and there seems to be many unhappy folks there and most importantly, there isn't anyone there! This is the third month where I've come in and there's been only the staff, one other client and myself, no one waiting, nothing! I've met this new pharmacy guy (is this the "cop" guy u guys r talking about?) he seems like a real jerk and I'm frustrated over this new system! I'm very happy with the new doc, she seems genuinely concerned and actually examined me, something that hadn't happened since Joe left! The docs i saw in between were questionable at best and although CPR has been responsive to concerns and issues, nothing feels stable anymore! I could almost believe that they lost that many clients in hours, except that we all know how difficult this system has been and can't believe that many people would leave without already having an exit plan in place! I'm not sure how most of your meds work but I assume it's like mine, with a stable long acting med and a short acting "break through" drug as well! I've always understood my short acting to b "as needed" and taken it as such, in addition, they gave me a non-narcotic pain med for some dental issues I've had, which I've been told not to take my short acting med when I take this other drug! That even though it's non-narcotic, it's potent! I've had this "program" for well over a year and it's worked well! I rarely need this other drug, had the same first script for over a year but for the first time, I had two ua's that didn't show my primary drug and they flipped out! Their "flip out" wasn't just about the lack of my short acting med but also that another drug, one that I ABSOLUTELY can't take showed up! I suspect it's the non-narcotic med that's showing up as this other drug and I realize any take chances with their lives everyday but with my history of never having a dirty ua EVER, taking my meds as prescribed and such, I question WHY I was talked to about this in the waiting room and also in the "office" that anyone could hear what was said? I was told "you better discuss this with the doc"! U discussed it with the doc and as I suspected she would say, wrote in my chart that I was taking my meds as prescribed, my ua's r showing the byproducts of the meds I'm prescribed and it just happened that the four days I took this other medication were taken when I had my ua done! This is probably clear as mud but it bothered me that personal info was discussed in front of the entire waiting room, especially when it wasn't a big deal and right now what even things that aren't a big deal, are being made into big deals. I like the staff here very much but I'm having a hard time when there have been so many other issues, having something like this discussed in an open forum when anyone there could interpret what happened in their own terms and what is not a big deal, becomes one! I'm also not thrilled with this medication delivery service! I've had the same situations as others here have seem to have had, they never even ask me if my name is correct, leave before you can make sure that your have the right meds and what I'm the most upset about is their staff being defensive and nasty! I had my "visit" on Wednesday, was to b delivered to on Friday! I hadn't heard from them by 5 pm on Thursday and I called to check if they had my insurance info and to "schedule" delivery! I was TOLD that my delivery was scheduled between 1-5 on Friday! I explained that I was once again needing to go out of town and cod I schedule for earlier or pick my meds up and was told "NO!! That delivery was ready scheduled! And I agreed to this!" I didn't agree to anything, I wasn't given any options! I could have understood this but after the staff being nasty with me, I ended up getting my meds delivered at 6:30 PM!!! YES!!! After they were closed! Making me miss scheduled appointments and drive nine hours after I wanted to leave! I could still have tolerated all this because it is a new system and such but the attitude was so foul and without a hint of customer service! I'm not sure about all this but I'm hearing so much all at once that now I'm concerned! So after all this, MAC? What happened, where u truly "discharged" from CPR? And what is SAS? Lastly, what is all this to about slander and liable about? Someone new coming aboard right now would hear as I am, a lot of panic and not much explanations why! Lastly, does anyone have any experience with marijuana and it's usage in pain management? I have some questions and can't find any good resources for the medical issues I'm concerned about! I think I've been taught a good lesson and not get so left behind here! Thanks guys!

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I forgot one last note! As far as leaving CPR because of the Oxy IR issue! Everyone is going to have the same issue everywhere as it is a mandate that certain insurances such as Medicate and Medicaid will only pay for 4 tablets of a max of 30 mg per day and most doc's, being careful r sticking to this! Most clinics may allow u more initially but with very soon after will either wean u or change your short term meds! Believe me, doc's r as frustrated about this as we r! I again suggest we talk to our doc's figure out what we can do, there r groups set up such as Doc's Against Pain and such that we can join, support and b heard! Everyone knows this is a huge issue but no one is taking the bull by the horns and dealing about it! We want things done? We r going to have to b the catalyst.

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Ya they are and they always say I wish I cld give u more but in my case I can only take short term meds cuz morphine and methadone put me in the hospital wit bad allergic reaction so I take 10mg percocet and yes im aware of my liver cuz Percocet alone doesnt help me at all and yes its frustraing me cuz im runnin out of options unless I start a breakthrough pain med any advice janeygirl?

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I wonder if all 23 went to Sas Health?? And just from bein toss from dr 2 dr cuz of medicaid rules that dr has 2 follow so sum are just nt acceptin medicaid or see u but then say we are nt acceptin new patients that need pain meds long term and give u enough 4 either a week or 2 then send u out the door sayin be another drs problem then u start callin all these ppl in ur handbook prayin they take u and them u find 1 just 2 be told the same I went thru 6 drs in 4weeks be I found Sas Health Anella and her husband Bandfield im glad they accepted me after my horrible 4 week ordeal for her 2 say ur here with us we will take care of u

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Rainbow just switch to the Oxy IR 10s or 15s. They are just like percocet with no tylenol. That way you don't have to worry about tylenol intake. And how is it known that all these people are now at SAS? I'm confused how you know it's going to be designated a "pill mill". CPR I would consider far more of a pill mill, maybe not this second but in the past. Not taking insurance, charging $180 per visit!!!! I will think about talking to the people at SAS to be careful of a flood of people coming from CPR. Not that they aren't to be treated, but just to keep a close eye on them.

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Hi all....after reading 2 days worth of posts I had a few comments. I agree with most os you..especially Chattys comments about living with chronic pain. My b/f recently remarked how much time (and money i LITERALLY spend on pain management. The search for a good dr (3 years after my ex called my dr and told her a ton of pure lies and fabrication during a bitter child custody case). There was NO truth to it but my dr. got scared and discharged me. I was so tired of the pain med cycle that I decided to wean down t0 virtually nothing to see if my chronic migraines and sciatica would go away. What a mistake. I spent 4 months in bed and once I realized I needed the pain meds to live I could not find a dr willing to prescribe me back to where I had been (10 30mg ocy IR's and 3 oxycontin a day). It took me nearly 3 years but after finding CPR I had hope for the first time in a long time. After 6 months, they slowly titrated me up to 6 30mg oxy IRs along and tried some different l/a because my body had become completely tolerant of my Morph E/R.

I am one of those people on Medicaid and I take exception to the comment made that "every junkie on Medicaid will flee to SAS, etc). I am on Medicaid because without my pain under control I CANNOT WORK!! I want to work and have gone against my family and friends' strong suggestion that I go on disability. While I have no judgement, actually only compassion for those on disability (most people on disability would trade it in a heartbeat to be well), I just feel that I am able to work as long as my pain mgmt is appropriate. While at CPR, I started working for the first time in years and didn't miss a day but it was seasonal and I am interviewing now and just waiting and praying for an offer.

I learned long ago that there were very few pain clinics that accepted Medicaid. The fact that SAS takes it is certainly a bonus (saving 180 bux a month) but I would have gone anyway. I can't count the number of times I have paid $300 plus for initial pain consults only to find hey couldn't help me. I would rather pay $ for good pain mgmt so I can work then to continue to be on Medicaid. For those of you who feel differently, not every Medicaid recipient is trying to abuse it, we are just trying to get by until we can work.

My b/f and I started at CPR thx to this site after pouring for hours at a time sites like HealthGrades, Angies List (you name it) at the beginning of the year and honestly, even though they ultimately provided us the meds we needed to FUNCTION, I knew it was probably not going to be a long term solution. After Joe left (and I personally found him cold and detached from my situation) we went on to see 4 different providers..most on their first day of work there..most who did NOT come from a pain mgmt background. One doc told me they found the job thru Craig's List (sketch??). Each time we would have to go through our long history of pain mgmt (II've been suffering for 14 years now and have tried EVERY ALTERNATIVE to opiate tx all to no or negative success). With my b/f, one month he would be lowered (he's on less than me) and the next raiised, etc. We never knew what to expect.

Last month we met Charles and for us, it was the last straw. I saw through his arrogance and greediness and I do not think he should make medical decisions for any of us. As for libel and slander, whatever I posted that he said was quoting him word for word. If you ask me, he slandered Dr. May to us telling us some very negative things about Dr. May.

And btw, I have several close friends who have been on 8-10 oxy IR for years and for those on Medicaid/Care their doc simply called Medicaid/Care and overwrote the restriction. Because in this doc's PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OPINION, these patients REQUIRE those amounts to function.

I agree we need to be careful of a mass exodus to SAS but as long as you abide with the pain management contract to a tee, you should be fine. Pass ur UAs, stick with one pharmacy and if you run out early, make yourself suffer thru the w/s's for a short period (yes I know every hour feels like a lifetime) rather than call your doc and risk discharge. I use a 28 day pill container and I find it is the only way I can assure that I stay on the right daily dosing because like most of you I imagine, I have my ok days and them some really bad days and when in that much pain it is tempting to take more breakthru (IR's) on those days.

I agree with the person that said the 28 day schedule is something we are all accustomed to and it does provide a 2 day window for emergencies. Sometimes I takes me an extra day to find my different meds at different branches of my pharmacy. CPR forcing people to go as far as 31 days is purely poor pain management. Let me say I really like Leonard (at least I did until he did Mac like that,,,messing directly with someone's reputation falsely is sooo wrong. If they did "suspect" this alleged script alteration, trust me, there would have been law enforcement involved. If they were worried, they could have simply discharged Mac with a 30 day supply and CYAed that way. I don't know Mac personally but I already know for a fact he DID NOT alter anything. He's an intelligent young man who never do something like that..and t date it before his appt date? Please. Anyone with common sense would HAVE to know no one would be that foolish. I find it interesting they "ripped" up the scripts. Wouldn't they want it for evidence and doesn't Mac deserve a copy so he can keep his good name??

Lastly, for you nay sayers, I am on a relatively high does of short and long-acting meds yet I haven't experienced a "high" EVER!!

This forum is a wonderful place to exchange information but even more so, I finally do not feel so alone or crazy. We should all feel free to express ourselves and know that at last here, we are not judged. So for the few who participate for the sole purpose of judging us and/or drug seeking....to you I say you are wasting your time in this forum. Go elsewhere or start your own if you feel compelled to do so. My beloved sister and best fried took her own life by taping a vegetable bag over head because her fibromyalgia was so debilitating and pain meds made her too ill and were ineffective she could no longer cope. I bring this up only to stress what living with chronic pain can do to someone.

Thank you all for listening and to all of you may today and all your tomorrows be as pain free as possible and GodSpeed.

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Mac I dnt no nothin about CPR at all I was just commenting on another post that sum1 that 23 ppl in 5hrs quit CPR I was wonderin if all of them went 2 SAS cuz sum1 posted that ppl at cpr were talkin bout SAS I never went 2 CPR I was tryin 2 say I hope that with all these new ppl comin 2 SAS wil it change how they wil help us. It was hell 4 me 4 a month 2 find SAS the s*** I had gne thru and had 2 do 2 get sum of my meds was horrible I just hope its nt gonna bite ppl in the end when 2 many ppl start goin 2 SAS but I think they wld do like sum of the other dr office say they at they limit helpin with pain meds and it dnt effect us...im scared cuz I was told that 4 a month from 6 diff dr office

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It was stated plus my roomate is a head pharmacist and when I ask what mac could do he told me it was out of Cpr hands .By law the pharmacist will report and write on your DEA file .And yes oxy thing is changing everywhere not just Cpr.U either go on long acting oxycotin or do with out .Rainbow oxycotin won't hurt your liver but if u take any perks Vicks, long term u will need liver transplant .

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What did your roommate say about what will happen when the process is finished?

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Mac it's gonna be the guy that wrote on the script .Your gonna be look at like a abuser and depending how they classified u scrip tampering this SAs may be your last place to ever get scrips at .Once it goes thru he can keep u from ever filling narcotics again in the state of Co .My roommate has been a pharmacist so 15 yrs and seen and had to do this twice to abuser .It ruins your ability to get help even at ER .That's why mac it's important for everyone seeking meds to stay away from SAS or your only help could be screwed .

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They are leaving CPR because if u can get exactly the same scrips at SAS for free with medicade why pay CPR 180 .Your missing my point people seeking drugs are going where they can get them written CPR will after u pay 180 now after u all posted how u all got yours every other drug seeker left CPR and went to SAS no other reason .But since SAs isn't pain management that's gonna make them look like a pill mill all of sudden everyone going there why ... because u tell them what works and they write one of u posted that guess what u open up Pandora box .It sends red flags when a clinic gets flooded with pain patients and wasn't before .

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I just want to save money and if they will help with pain management and manage my other medical issues that is alot better than going to 5 docs for my various medical issues and paying out the butt on copycats and then having to pay 180 for pain management. Besides they are just eventually going to cut the number of oxy ir pills down and have you take a long acting med also so there is really no difference in what cpr did months ago to now except the mail order pharmacy. Personally they can't put a note on your records if you choose to get care some where else that is not ethical or legal to falsely do that, just another observation but am I the only one who thinks that someone from cpr either staff or patient who tells them what is on this forum is really putting messages on here and that's why they are defensive?

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That isn't good to hear..... ugghhhhh. I don't want to just try and bear a 7 or 8 out of 10 in pain every day..... it seriously scares me so much to think about not being able to find help..... And all over nothing..... And if that's the case I am considering dropping out of this forum.

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Mac u made this forum if it wasnt 4 u I wldnt have any type of support threw this please dnt leave...

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One other point, I DID NOT go to SAS because they took Medicaid. In fact every pain provider I have seen in the past 3 years did not accept it and I had to take the hit. What helps me at SAS (Medicaid or not, for with proper pain care I can and WILL work) is that I now have a PCP (haven't had one in years) and can save the $65 I pay each month just to get refills on my non-pain med scripts.

As for this forum being "leaked" I am in IT and I know every letter ever written on the web can be retrieved by both legal and illegal methods. I don't write anything on here that I am embarrassed or ashamed of or that I would't tell the provider themselves. I have nothing to hide.

I left CPR for one reason: Charles and the mandatory use of his pharmacy.He readily admitted his goal is become a millionaire and the only way he can achieve his goal is to have the volume of patients forced to use him. (This is not libel/slander...these are quotes from him) Plus, my b/f has good insurance but in the process of meeting his deductible, and this pharmacy was significantly more expensive than our local drugstore.

I like the idea of banding together to make sure we continue to get APPROPRIATE pain management for each and every one of us. For me.4 30 irs a day DO NOT WORK!. I require a higher dose just to be functional. It's not my fault (nor do I LIKE) that my body reacts in this way My meds are to keep me functional and hopefully employed and not homeless. The body is incredibly resilient and accomodating. After a short period of being on pain meds, there is no "euphoria" or high. The results lessen your pain, if you're lucky, no different than taking BP pills to control high blood pressure. So I am up for banding together and will happily get involved. I just do not know where to start. Any ideas?'

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Mac...I agree - don't leave. I owe so much to you!! I am literally sickened to think about what happened to you. I know some attorneys I will speak to and I was going to ask the group if all of us could do our research (leave Mac's name out of it of course) and let's make sure we do everything possible tp right this wrong!!

Most importantly, I know I won't stop until I find a resolution so you can sleep at night again, Mac. Try to breathe and relax hearing a million different "maybes"...you might be pleasantly surprised. I'm on your side and I know so is the majority of this forum. Let us help you for a change.

And, btw, let's not be telling providers which patients to watch for. We ALL know what it is like to be judged to begin with...having an extra cloud of suspicion does no one any good. Great doctors are great at treating all types of chronic pain, they are also experts at weeding out the drug seekers. Most drug seekers eventually show their true colors and make a major mistake.

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The whole point to this forum is to help people who are suffering from chronic pain to lead them in the right direction and to great care and if that means giving them info on a good doc or just listening when they are having a hard bad day then we are doing good. But I don't think making patients go to a certain pharmacy is right I am pretty sure that we still live in America and should have the right to use a pharmacy that we want if they want to make that change then we have every right to change doctors without having cpr or anyone putting lies in our medical records because they want to be dictators, we pay them alot of money for care they should let the patients choose if they want to use Charles's pharmacy or our regular pharmacy its our money out of our pockets not theirs but if they want to pay for my meds then by all means go through his pharmacy if not then we should be able to use our own. But I guess in some people's eyes now I am a seeker or addict because of that right?

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I'm with you guys and I think we should band together... whatever that would entail, I'm down to do so! I have gone too long without any support or understanding from people and it's been a long, hard and lonely road.

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