Big Pharma's Lockdown On Legitimate Chronic Pain Patients (Page 57)
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Is narcotic pain medicine becoming a thing of the past?

Why are doctors across America phasing out the practice of prescribing effective pain medication?

Will big pharmaceutical companies ever truly understand what it's like to face the other side of the coin?

Lately there's been a musty scent in the air surrounding the use of prescribed narcotic pain medication. Many doctors appear to be running scared as the DEA scours through fields of medical records, inspecting prescribing pads like a mouse scavenges for food in a dimly lit cellar.

Should the day come when doctors recommend Ibuprofen to a feeble man who's been involved in a terrible car accident (breaking several bones / requiring extensive surgery), is this doctor at risk of malpractice when there are more effective options available that they choose not to pick, out of fear? Fear of what? Doing the right thing? No, I don't think this is the reason... Somewhere along the line, in the not too distant past, doctors were loosely prescribing narcotic pain medication as if it would never go out of style. Nowadays, the harsh penalty of potentially losing their license for writing any unknown number of opiate prescriptions over so many calendar days or some other form of strict criteria, has been enough to prevent many physicians from taking even subtle "risks" with patients who are expressing obvious signs of pain and discomfort.

The unfortunately unique problem with pain is that it's not a physical object and in order for others to detect it, they'd have to rely solely on the backbone of our body language using their intuition - something that's gone missing in western practice. If more doctors took the time and really got to know their patients front to back, then they will be their own best judge of deciding what the right thing to do is, regardless of what the DEA thinks about their decision or what their drug representative wants out of the deal. Sadly, until patients are put before profits, the foundation of America's healthcare system remains in jeopardy like an iceberg affected by global warming.

While I believe that the vast majority of human beings in their right mind would choose to do the right thing, we must all work together to become the change we wish to see within every aspect of our lives; and knowing that by doing so, it will shine light on those crossing our path that need it most.

In the meantime, some patients may have to find another way to manage their pain without putting their life or health at risk. Others are turning to natural alternatives such as kratom, cannabis, turmeric and/or implementing various lifestyle changes into their daily regime... But the key is to never give up hope.

What will you do?

Warm regards to all who face life's challenges head on.

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Re: myst (# 425)

Thank you for your kind reply. I am trying to give this poster every consideration but I, too, am getting impatient with this lack of concrete information. Like I posted somewhere on this thread I do not want to be gamed. Either post details of just stop posting general statements.

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Re: Den (# 422)

So, Den, you can see our frustration is that you've never explained, described, labeled the treatment your wife received. If you want to help, and i have no reason NOT to believe you do, that's a good place to start. If you provide info on WHAT it's is that worked so well, we can do our own research. Again, please...WHAT WAS THE TREATMENT?? It MUST have a name, or at least a description. Thank you.

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Re: w john (# 423)

Exactly unless he offers details then what he has said offers zero help for anyone then to state he needs the funds to broadcast this info .It is free to share all the info you want here if it truly works word of mouth travels fast.
So far just a statemnet my wife gave up wheelchair after going to a clinic and 2 treatments .His post is only causing confusion and no actual facts and then he posts a comment in anger for being called out several times after being asked to give this doctors info what treatment is where it is at.

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Re: JMJ (# 419)

Hello.. I also do the very same thing, although with different medications. It seems to me that many doctors are Soo ill informed as to what one individual may need compared to another person! And this"opioid epidemic" is a total joke! The government needs to stop pretending to have a license to practice medicine and let the doctors do what they were trained to do! Sorry for the rant but the situation for US, people with severe, chronic, intractable pain has gotten ridiculous. More and more they want to cut your meds back UNLESS you have cancer! But go ahead and DRINK all the alcohol you want.... it's not like THAT is hurting anybody! Stop inflating the numbers for OD'S and making legitimate pain patients suffer! I have talked to MANY physicians who feel the same way But don't know what to do. Thanks so much DEA, FDA, etc,.. where would we be without you? Oh, that's right, we would feel like actual human beings that could have access to medications that just might help us live somewhat normal lives!

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Re: Den (# 422)

Fine, if you are accepted for your word then give a detailed explanation of exactly what this "alternative medicine Doctor" has to offer. You post in round about terms. WHO s this alternative Doctor? WHERE is this person located? I would think that you would realize that not everyone lives in a close enough proximity to see this person. I, along with apparently others, still do not understand what exactly you are saying that WORKS. Everything does not work for all chronic pain patients and while I am happy that you found something that works for your wife unless you post more details of what, EXACTLY, this Doctor recommends then it will be difficult to get anyone to listen to you. Anyone that has discovered a break through treatment plan would want to share it with anyone who would listen. This is the last time I will reply to your posts without more detail about just EXACTLY what it is that you found was an answer for your wife. To just say "an alternative treatment program" is not enough. WHAT EXACTLY, is this program?

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David the keys is for everyone in this group to help me get the word out that we have an alternative pain doc that got my wife from a wheelchair and a walker to stoping pain killers and is now riding s bike cooking cleaning and being the wife I always wanted.Im in this group to help others not myself.

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Re: Ktb (# 420)

Extended release has never been offered to me. Would I benefit from it? Upside? Downside? ER scripts seem to be what many PM docs like to use. Ktb, you may have mentioned this before, but are you in pain management? I rail against it. Do all I can to avoid it, but is that wise? I don't know of the benefits. Do they make larger doses available? Ive worked hard to go no higher than 10mg, but that is mostly because I am afraid that an higher dose would require PM. As ive stated, i use 11/2 dose now, but never over daily mgs, just fewer doses. So i could use, justifiably a slightly higher dose. But, I don't want to be required to have pill counts and random U/A's. For one thing, it implies we are liable to abuse. Well, some may, but most dont. The ua's scare me because so many OTC's skew results. I use benadryl for sleep, but it's well known for coming up benzo.

Wait a minute, RABBIT!!!! Did you say they took your ultram? Why? The only time I use my tramadol, is between my monthly 20 day scripts. Keeps withdrawal from being worse than it is, and helps somewhat with sleep issues while withdrawaling. I get no pain relief on it, that I can detect. But find it has its uses. Will you miss it?

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Re: JMJ (# 419)

I'm on morphine and they took my ultram. lol I think they have caused more confusion on patients that have been on the same dose, who lived a decent life. The newbies that haven't been on alternatives maybe they should try it on them first. Then I guarantee over half that's truly hurt will not benefit from half of that other stuff! I'm off subject a bit but my dr went from 15mg 4xs a day to a 60mg extended release once a day because I wake up at night. I guess it's the same but I prefer to keep things as they were because there's some days I don't need but one and some days I might need 1 every 4 hours. I was on IR so I had more control but my pharmacist told me that it's useless when there's severe pain unless you take it every 4 hours and adjust the dosages from up a little to back down or switch them out. Isn't it terrible that we have anxiety waiting to see if the dr is going to write your script and move on! lol I've never thought of being like that. It's like waiting to see if we committed a horrible crime! But the addicts get upscale service and I saw in some areas they have clean stations so they can have norco and clean needles. lol that's backwards!

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Re: Ktb (# 408)

Ktb....sorry mixed up Mares reply with yours, lol. Sorry. Yes, you and I think alike. Why, oh, why do we have to be fearful every month? Then, we have to go to the pharmacy and hope we don't get Camber meds, hope they like us so they'll fill our script, and send us off with a courteous smile.

Just went for physical with a doctor that is replacing my retired doc. Thank God, we clicked. She will continue my treatment. She told me my 10mg is a dangerous dose and I must be very careful! Huh? There are many many on higher doses than that. I do respect the dangers of morphine, don't get me wrong, but really? I about screwed it all up when I requested permission to take 1 1/2 pills not to exceed the 6 pills a day I am approved for. No, no, no, TOO dangerous. Really? Well, I will do it my way, but stay within my daily prescribed daily amount. Is that wrong? Or does it make me an abuser? It has worked well. Won't screw up my U/A. I just won't say any more about it. She really was a kind, sweet woman. I think general practitioners have gotten unused to prescribing narcotic pain meds, and it doesn't take much to make them squirm. Believe me, I am grateful she didn't ship me off to PM, despite her reservations. Other than the taking 1 1/2 I will do all I can to abide by our contract. If you find I am wrong, don't be afraid to tell me. I trust other CPP's. I find they try hard to operate within the parameters set out in pain contract.

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Re: Mark (# 413)

Well mark your a jerk. I came in here to help and get help and you might consider some brain surgery.

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Re: Den1111 (# 411)

Oh is their a way to summarize what the treatment is called? And what the drs name is so some of us can research more? Like the name of the place you took her and any drs names? But I'd love to know what this alternative treatment is called. Thank you.

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Re: Mare (# 409)

Mare, yep, you are definitely at the mercy of your insurance company, they don't want to pay for your surgery, but will pay out for years of shots, physical therapy, pain pumps, etc. Go figure. So you forego the surgery because they won't approve it, but then insult to injury, they won't approve the very meds that will at least bring you comfort. I do hope they continue your soma and sleep med, and find it in their ice cube hearts to once again allow pain meds.

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Re: Den1111 (# 411)

I'm not understanding. Your wife was cured? How was she cured and why hasn't this been told before? In my own personal educated opinion I believe opiates were put here on this earth for a reason. As with anything, it's all in how one needs it or uses it. I would like to know how your wife was healed.

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Re: Den1111 (# 410)

Den1111, thank you for some of your wife's details. I apologize for insinuating you may be stringing us along. Now...lol....how about a name for her treatment. I have gone the alt-med route with some success and a lot of wasted money. Some therapies were dubious at best, and laughable at worst. There is an amazing amount of remedy to be had on God's good earth. Very few will tap into it, because of many reasons. If you are talking energy healing, kinesiology, muscle therapy/testing, Reiki......I can see why providing explanation is difficult. Like trying to explain spirit guides and automatic hand writing.

But if it is not using techniques above, then please give the name of her treatment, it is not unlikely that I may have at least heard of it. Alternatives can be anything from tapping into a client "energies" to herbal remedy. Could you please put into words what her treatment consists of? Thank you.

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Re: Den1111 (# 411)

Did your wife have a frontal lobotomy? Because so far out of quite a few posts you haven't said squat about why her pain is evidently irrelevant to her now. Because of some new procedure no one knows about... Sounds like a bunch of BS if you're unwilling to explain anything about it other than repeating yourself over and over... Trolling comes to mind...

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Den1111 (# 408) --

For someone to be “knocking on your door” they have to first know that you exist. I am glad that you have found an answer that works for your wife.

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Ktb (# 407) --

What upsets me is drugs are pouring across our border and made in methamphetamine labs across America. A junky sticks some bad drugs into his/her veins and the government lumps everyone on pain meds and illegal drugs all into the same box. I'm telling people there is a way to get out of pain and off drugs that is safe and not expensive. My wife cut our pain meds and met an alternative pain doc that gave her a treatment he learned in Germany.

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Re: JMJ (# 404)

My wife had a bladder mesh in plant that was placed incorrectly and was also,recalled.for 8 or 9 years pain docs kept her in a for with morphine and OxyContin to me kicking she can down the road.We met an alternative pain doc that learned a treatment that got her totally off pain meds. She still will have her injury the rest of her life but with two treatments a year she is not in pain everyday and is not leading a normal life out of a wheel chair and pitched her walker.I think I read there are over 3,000 or 30,000 members and I need help to fund a few to learn this low cost treatment that that can help hundreds of thousands that are in cronic pain.This is not a fix and will not work for everyone but I’ve seen what it’s done for my wife.i need help to find a doc that will,take a few days to learn and pass it on.With the war on pain drugs I would think Donald Trump would be knocking on my door to meet my wife because I have before and after videos. Hope this answers your question.

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Re: JMJ (# 394)

I have been fully disabled since 2003. I saw an orthopedic surgeon & he said I was inoperable. So I’m stuck with pain management. I have my all opioids taken away & had a pain pump implanted. Not sure how much this helps because I still have chronic pain. The only medications I’m given are Soma & sleeping pills which help a little. I waiting for them to take those away. If Workers Comp would approve an operation, I could have been cured once & for all. But the insurance companies seem to be ones who say what you can or can’t have and it comes down to money. They claim that they don’t want drugs ending up on the streets. Really? I don’t know one chronic pain patient wanting to sell the only meds that help them. On my last refill, Workers Comp denied my sleeping pills that I have been given for over 15 years. Since this injury, I hardly go out at all except to go to my dr appointments. My quality of life hasn’t changed since it happened. If my meds are taken away, there is no reason to continue fighting anymore. I refuse to live in absolute pain for the rest of my life. If they can’t fixed the illegal drug trade, we are the next option they can control. I wished the government & health care companies would take a survey of all chronic pain patients so they would see the problem is not coming from us.

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Re: JMJ (# 394)

Oh wow! I thought I was the only one who thought like that! It's so true, you do everything as right as possible and have to wonder are they going to dismiss you! I can't tell a dr anything anymore or say that their medication that's got more side effects than a narcotic is making me sicker. Everyone tells me to never say anything to a a dr and to tell them their meds are working so I can get the one small type that does work. I sign all links I see petitions on and the national pain week where they were going to be in Washington, I'm not sure how that went. I do know there's way more of us than them. I'm just not sure who the main people are that started this. Good luck & I hope we all get what little help we can!

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