54_411 Vs M 924

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I've been on Subs for a while and i just received the Mylan 924 for the first time... I've been with Roxanne 54_411 for some time now... Does anyone have an opinion as far as which manufacturer is better. Or what's your opinion personally?

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Hi Strawz,

Although I haven't taken Subutex (buprenorphine), I did want to offer an outsider's opinion when it comes to switching tablets or manufacturers in general.

The truth of the matter is that each tablet can affect each person differently, which would in essence render any feedback null as there's no way to determine if you will experience the same benefits or side effects as someone else, until you take it and know for yourself.

I think this is largely due to the seemingly ever-changing list of inactive ingredients (also referred to as binders/fillers) that each pill is composed of. Some tablets have more or less, while others have a completely different set of fillers altogether.

What I've speculated is that certain binders/fillers that encompass the active ingredient(s) do not always metabolize in an efficient manner that allows the active ingredient(s) to be properly absorbed; resulting in decreased or increased bioavailability, depending on what tablet you get.

At the end of the day it all comes down to trial & error for each and every individual, whereas if you find one that does work, I think it would be a good idea to stick with it as long as possible. And if it doesn't work as intended, you may just have to play the trial & error game until something else correlates better with your own body chemistry and not necessarily based off someone else's.

I hope that makes sense. Just wanted to offer a different perspective on the matter.

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Hey David, I really appreciate your feedback and information. All and everything was said 100% in my opinion. Thank you for your time.

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Try looking up the inactive ingredients. The fillers are different in the orange ones that Actavis puts out vs. the 54/411. That may help. The way I usually noticed it was the extra filler or two changes the amount you have to take by a little bit. Which may not be a big deal to some but to others it can be a little different. Hope that helps. Just research what you can and you'll eventually find people either b****ing or praising.

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I personally prefer the 54 411 by Roxane..however..I was interested in where to find the Mylan M 924 8mg Tex...as it says it contains about 8.624 mg of buprenorphine.They both seem to be the same size...I would think they are both the 2 best generics out there...as if u think about it the new Mylan has over 8 and a half mg's of buprenorphine...so if u take 2..thats about 17 mg...where as with the 54 411 generic subutex..they contain only 8mg of buprenorphine (subutex).So technically as I never had the new M924 ones..I would say they can be a tad bit stronger..but maybe not enough to notice..I cannot find the new Mylan subutex anywhere..what store carries them??

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Cvs just changed and they have exact same amount in them the Roxane had 8.whatever too just didn't say it...

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I have been getting the 54 411 subs and this month i got the M 924. Idk which one is better yet bc i just went to the dr. They also have the orange oval ones now too. And i was wondering the same thing. If u have heard of which ones better pls let me know. I've been on the 54 411 for about 5 years now and i am scared to change bc the small round white subs with an arrow and an 8 on the other side weren't as effective as my usual ones. My email is {edited for privacy} thanx.

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I think the m924s are less potent. I've been takin the 54 411 roxanes but it seems as if they vanished from the market. I got stuck wuth the hi tech little white ones with arrow on it but they aren't as good as roxys but seems to be better than the mylans. Igo this weds. And I am hoping the pharmacy has the roxanes 54 411s.

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Some walmarts have been getting them in.. I didnt know that they have more of the medicine in them. I've been on th 54-411 for 5 yrs. The small round ones didnt do to much bc i felt sick that whole month i got those. Idk if it was from the change or if those have diffrent mg to. But the m924 just came out and my boyfriend got those and he said that their not as good as the 54-411s but everyone is diffrent. I also had the oval orange ones and those worked pretty good for me verses the other ones. But try walmart bc i know thats the 1st place a few ppl got those kind from there.. But it all depends on the warehouse and if walmart has both or just one bc i got the 54-411 & 3 days later my bf got the M924s and im still getting the same ones bc my insurance doesnt cover mine so i get a certain amount out at a time... I hope this was helpful for you..

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I just received the m924s at publix my insurance will not cover them any longer. So I have to pay cash I received 60 pills for 108$ with the a discount card. But I'm worried they won't be like the 54s I took the 8arrows and I was taking 5 or 6 and still being sick there GARBAGE I filled my whole script here so now I'm worried if there not good I'm gonna feel like s*** all month so far I haven't had any other live up to my 54s. I get them at cvs. all cvs' down by me in Georgia flordia have them. I'm praying to god I don't feel sick with these.. Has anyone really decided if there the same or good or what?? They were cheaper but if they're garbage i'd rather pay the extra 40$ at cvs.

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i have tried both the roxane 54 411 and mylan 924 both from cvs, cvs recently switched to the mylan ones they seem exactly the same in looks but the mylan seemed to have me a little more energetic

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I definitely think 54-411 is what I'm sticking to.. Barbie.. You can tell them you don't like em or they give you a headache and your doc can get you another script. I know alot of different ways. You can call me {edited for privacy}.

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I get my mylans at Cvs I think they are about just the same as the other generic they give me more energy also.

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I have been on the 8mg strips and just changed over to the 924s and they work for me much better than the films.I guess everybodys metabolisim.is different.I love them and for the first time in years I'm not sick

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Ive taken about every form of sub out there. It has been my exp that other than taste and the a mount of time needed for proper absorption there is NO difference whatsoever.All the pills have 8mg of active ingredient so just cause one pill is smaller doesn't mean there's less dope. Ive heard from several different people several different story's about how one pill is junk and the other is great its all bulls***! So follow these guidelines n you will be fine.Place the tabs under your tongue on the veins and keep it in you mouth till the bitter taste is gone. Bupe tastes bitter so do the math. Don't smoke prior to taking you meds cause smoking constricts your blood vessels and leads to less absorption. When I doubt if its all absorbed I keep it in a little longer. With all that said those arrow 8 pills in my opinion are the best not because their stronger but because there's less pill to dissolve. Thinking one or the other is better is from years of drug abuse and thinking more is better. That's my opinion, take it how you want.

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I've been on the 54 411s for over a yr now and this month (Sept) I was switched to the M924s. I was very worried about how I would feel with these new ones. A couple of my friends told me that they liked the 924s a lot better and how they gave them more energy. Much to my surprise they were right!! They are actually better than the 411s!! I never thought I would say that but its so true! Also the 924s are cheaper than the 411s.

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both the 54 411s and the 924s have the same 8.64 mg of buprenorphine base , i have been on subs for 5 years , every kind they make and if taken as directed they all do their job....which is keep you from with drawling and having cravings for opiats.

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You can find the mylan 924 subutex at houston pharmacy in Baldwyn mississippi. The price is about 2 to 3 dollars apiece. I think the reason they made this pill is because it's harder for someone to IV.

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I have, just like every other person that's been on dope for years, also tried every single subutex and suboxone pill and strip there is. If your like me, you don't like change because it's new and uncomfortable. But I promise that it (924) did the exact same thing the others did (54 411). Obviously I prefer one from the other just because it dissolves faster. I hate the taste with a passion. I use mine like directed. I put it under my tongue because I get more effect that way rather than using it like I used my drug of choice. Anything telling yourself that ones stronger than the other is your addiction talking s***. Yes it's possible that maybe I didn't smoke, eat or drink anything in a certain time frame so I felt it more than before. Either way, like some others have said, use it as directed and it works great. 18 months today for me without a needle in my arm so where I come from its a good day. This medication gave me a jump start to my new life. But now it's time to come off. Only difference now rather than before coming off it, is that im stronger today. I have more support today, and I have more to lose today. Yes I'm going to feel it at the end but the only person that put me here is myself. I've done it before and I'm doing it again. I hope that helps and maybe gives someone some hope that they can do it too. Anything is possible. Only when the pain becomes great enough will be search for a solution by any means necessary.

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I've been taking dope, oxy and mainly dilaudid for over 20 years... ive come off cold turkey to coming off perfectly and easily taking liquid nembutal for a week as a substitute (which is the best and my favorite... no pain.)... since they took that away and want me to feel a consequence for my "bad" behavior i noticed a couple things that have affected all of our live and those more high profile like the drugstore cowboy guy that died of pulmonary edema (congestive heart failure) after being poisoned like all of us for years... As mentioned above the key to how you feel on different pills is based directly on the supposed "inactive" ingredients ... which are highly active in the body... Just like the talmudic judgement on all of us goyim by putting rat poison in the drinking water to reduce intelligence and will to oppose... (don't believe? look it up, as israel recently outlawed fluoridation as the insidious program continues unabated in the u.s). Why is this related to the question posed by the thread? The inactive ingredients have changed since 1981....maybe as far back as nixons' drug act of scheduling.. The false idea that ..magnesium stearate, cellulose, and the many other form of highly active ingredient which affect all living organisms imposes some sort of judgement if taken in larger quantities and are relatively harmless if taken as directed.. This is no accident... it takes alot of years to build up enough poison to affect your buzz and then your health as inactive? ingredients like cellulose are collecting in the body... Cellulose is also rat poison.. Don't believe me... go look at the ingredients in the store... in the 70's the only thing that an addict had to worry about was constipation and keeping the balance or micro-organisms in the body by quitting occasionally and releasing the excess bulid-up of fecal matter and urine that is the main reason it is immensely painful to withdraw.

The subutex seems to help with the pain and if you wait a couple days it also allows your bowels to adjust and release a softer stool and detox your body if you wait and don't use enemas which if used alot destroy to mucous that makes you wait 4 days for it to reorganize..the amount of subs is why i weigh in here and write... According to scum guy in the pentagon that i know and backed up by published papers put out by the WHO (world health org, not daltrey and townshend).. the maximum amount that affects receptors is .8 to 1 mg of the bupe... ill say it again.. only one eighth of an 8 milligram pill acts as a pain killer by blocking and removing any agonist (like dilaudid) that currently is affecting receptors and somehow acts a a key to fit in the receptor and blocks out any other narcotic from working.. so the .8 is a full agonist and the rest is what? I dont know as much as i should but i have physically noticed a few things that seem to be true for me but may not be true fro anyone else and of course would be denied by any scientific study... Just like the judgement by putting rat poison and ther harmful binders that are hard to filter even with a wheel filter the judgement seems to carryover here and make you more susceptible to microwave (rf) radiation like the other mind control drugs like paxil, wellbutrin and the king prozac. the more you take the more resiual seems to last three days before you can get off on any narcotic and may attempt to permanently i pede the user fro getting off full on again... that may be praranoia.. again im not an expert... removing wifi and my phone helped me heal quicker with the subs... taking only one eighth made it harder to function at first but after five days on repeated occasions i can use subs tp get completely clean and stop taking all drugs incuding the nsubs if i only take the .8 to 1 mg dose , ideally once daily but the first two days i have failed and taken the correct dose twice daily and its worked the same giving me 90 % relief from my withdrawals but no real energy till my brain turned on after 72 hours..

I am unsteady and uncomfortable for a week after i quit the subs (after 5 to seven days) ... but miraculously i am off all chemicals with only a couple days of bed and no real convulsions and scary withdrawals... For you doubters... I was on the minimum of 5 to 8 ..8mg shield dilaudid ... so that 40 - sixty milligrams iv daily for a year before i took the subs.. after i learned the trick.. i repeated with three months of straight daily iv before i quit as i started gaining weight and retaining painful fuids etc etc from the crap inactive s in the pills or the dope i was getting and the natural abuse from the poppy itself... The moral of all this is take way less than prescribed so you arent becoming a slave to another pill as they lie about the proper dose and the methods for quitting dilaudid, oxy addiction... make sure you do as they suggest and go as long as you can after yr last narcotic... ideally 24 hours.. before taking the subs... I dont last that long... im lucky to make twelve hours before freaking out and taking the dreaded sub... please dont let judgmental and homicidal, neocons, christian fundamentalists, jesuits and the horrible zionists that all beleive they are better than us with the false talmidic teachings succeed in poisoning and controlling you because you choose to pursue happiness and change your consciousness in the former and future land of the free.. screw them and their homicidal judgements! I am not religious. i actually believe all religions based on the god of abraham are satanic just as luciferianism is a lie... the truth is yours and its simple.. each of these do hold as many truths as they control with lies jusyt like the subutex are basically a good thing... it is up to us to learn the best way to use them and pass on the correct way out of kindness and love to defeat false judgement on the public from people whose time in power is finally ending... dont believe what i say... take it and research it... best of luck... my only rule is the golden rule.

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Kmart Pharmacy is where i just found the Mylan for cheaper .

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Re: mandy (# 8) Expand Referenced Message

Can u please tell me why I get sick after I take the 9411

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Re: the end of lies (# 19) Expand Referenced Message

I find it hard to believe a rant like that came from sobriety... You sure you weren't on something when you wrote that? lol or maybe you NEED something...

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I think personally the M924 are just as good as the 54411 but the m924 are better to take if u are going to be working at your place of employment the 54411 seem to make me nod if I'm not active and all I take a day is a quarter piece and some days not even the whole 1/4 thank God that's all I need my next step is to stop taking them all together and also if i take something one day and happen to leave my dose at home the next morning rushing to get to work on time I'm fine all day and at times want bother taking anything till the following day

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I'm ready to just go to pain management and get put back on Percocet30 and get them to lower me down becouse they are taking advantage of people trying to get help and when I was on percocet 30mg at least the price don't jump from month to month. It's a shame but there is nothing you can do. I was going to kmart and getting all my meds for $213. now you go and it's $400 one month and 213 the next time. to me that's wrong. I would like to get off of it because it's a bigger problem than I had before.

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Ay bro, as to the garbage m924s, I find they are just as good if you're taking them as prescribed.

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Interesting post!! I believe it!! Thanks for all the info..much appreciated and very true!!

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a lot of people like the 54 411 better then the M 924 but look up all images of subutex and you'll feel lucky to get one of those two even the M, because I've had quite a few different ones and the two are the best and last the longest. Check out all the images and you'll see. Some I hacen't even seen before.

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Just injected the m924 for first time and my arms doing the same thing! Aching and burning! Never had this problem with the 54's

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Injecting the M924...did you? I was with the 54-411 and went great but the m924's aren't that good and after, my arm feels sore.

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Hey Brie I get the same ones you get and they work great for me. I don't know where I'd be if I wasn't on subutex. I get 60 a month and there the M 924 ones. Thanks

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