Withdrawal From Vyvanse (Page 21)

My son had a terrible experience on wyvance. He has phyciatic systems to include halluciations. The doctor took him off the drup cold turkey and Ihe seems to be having withdrawal systems? Is that normal?

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Hey why don't you find somewhere else to run your mouth off.. By now most everyone knows the dangers of vyvanse. Getting talked down to by you every few days helps no one..

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So, everyone knows the dangers of Vyvanse. Right? Maybe drug seekers and stone abusers like the jerk who took enough to blow out his Aortic Valve. It's's equally obvious that no one is paying attention. You don't know nearly as much about CNS stims as I do. I've participated in research studies with them and THOSE are not featured in National Inquirer headlines but articles published in Peer-Reviewed Medical Journals. I had an English professor friend run some of my posts through a readability checker and the average reading level is around 11-to-12th grade. If you want to be talked down to, pick up the Journal of Clinical Oncology. (I think I remembered the title correctly.)

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Hey go toot your horn somewhere else guy... No one really cares what you've done or how smart you think you are. People come on here to talk about vyvanse.. Not to here some want to be dr tell everyone how stupid they are.

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Benniek,

Don't waste your time. He's a total D-Bag and does this on a lot of posts. I'm surprised he has time to write so much, being such a busy Doctor. Yes, he does need to stop talking down to everyone. He's probably told everyone his credentials 1,000 times on this site. It's a waste of time even trying to get it through his thick skull that we get it and know his credentials.

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Of course you can be addicted to vyvanse, adderall, Ritalin, concerts, any amphetamine medication. Not physically addicted as someone becomes to benzodiazepines (like Xanax) or opiates (like hydrocodone and oxycodone), both of which can make you physically ill (vomit, diarrhea, chills, vertigo, and many more fun steps that include seizures and death) at even non abusive, therapeutic doses, but you can become psychologically dependent on stimulants. If you have ADHD and the stimulants work for you, you will struggle coming off them after being on them more than a few months. Quitting cold turkey, especially after long term use can cause rebound physical symptoms. These come from the sudden deprivation that the stimulants causes your body to make, and doctors aren't sure if long term amphetamine treatment doesn't make your ability to produce dopamine even lower than before treatment. You're likely (or the patient in question) to experience upon quitting: depression, anxiety, hopelessness, low self esteem, intense hunger or food aversion, loss of interest in activity in general, extreme drowsiness, trouble sleeping, and increase in sinus/allergy/asthma congestion (no, I'm not crazy. Like the psuedo ephedrine found in cold medicine, ADHD stimulants are also vaso dilators that dry mucus and open airways. There is enough of a relationship between ADHD and children experiencing chronic otitis media, strep throat, sinus infections, ect to prompt the medical community to look at various ways an allergy or its effect on the body - inflammation, congestion that possibly slightly but impactfully lowers the amount of oxygen in the blood) is connected to ADHD.

I know this will be unpopular. As a member of the medical community who was diagnosed with ADHD at 3,5,17, and in my twenties, I know that putting your young children, 3,4,5... on medicine that will make them feel better seems good.

Please don't. I believe in stimulants for ADHD. They changed my life. But the brain of a child is still growing and to not let it grow with out the intrusion of psycho active drugs is something science doesn't know enough about that anyone could give informed consent. Also, with stimulants, there are serious side effects that can happen, mostly in those with undiagnosed cardiac issues. Children, primarily have undiagnosed cardiac issues. They lack the vocabulary in preschool or kindergarten to explain to you how they feel. "My medicine gives me butterflies inside". Does that mean the normal rush that happens with the onset of stimulant therapy or is the child experiencing an arrhythmia? Sure, your pediatrician would see it eventually, but I don't think there needs to be an explanation of how sudden death from speed mixed with a heart issue can occur. There are environmental things you can try until your child is old enough to safely take medicine. There are programs and resources and its not easy. In the last month, I've had a newly relocated mother scream at me for not advocating her 2 year old to stay on vyvanse, and had a 12 year old go to rehab for adderall addiction to avoid jail for abuse and selling.

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You must have excellent reviews on bedside manner. How do you expect to get through to others if you speak to them like this? Having your patients believe in you can save their life. When you put yourself so above them and display malevolent rhetoric, they won't want to listen to your sound medical advice, even though youre brilliant. The best practicing physicians are both relateable and brilliant.

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I do treat children and adolescents, but I don't think I've ever written for stimulants for 5-year olds. Regardless of the PI, most of us don't feel comfortable with this, even though research goes back and forth about how dangerous stimulant prescribing is at what age. Now for the good news: there are no palpable physical withdrawal symptoms from amphetamines, unless the pt has been taking a HUGE dose. (My guess is the equivalent of 200mg of d-amphetamine daily, but bootleg street methamphetamine can contain much more and we've all known patients who were brought in DOA for this very reason.) You think everyone knows the danger of Vynase? Guess again. This month, I had three well-educated patients (a h.s. principal, a teacher and a Fulbright scholar grad student) who couldn't have faked their responses when I asked, "Do you know what Dexedrine or d-amphetamkine is? Well, Vynase is nothing but Dexedrine designed to make you think it;s not as dangerous. One patient;s anxiety stemmed from not enough Xanax prescribed along with the Vynase. WE did a work up for ADD/ADHD in Adults. I couldn't conclude reasonable that he actually had adult ADD, so we tapered the Vynase, tapered the Xanax and did that ild standby watchful waiting. He did have significant symptoms of ADD/ADHD, so I switched the medication to Ritalin (that was WAY strong enough) and the benzo to Klonopin. That worked, too. Every good pediatrician (and I mean anyone who treats young kids) has to remember the first line of the Hippocratic Oath: "First, do not harm." I have no problem calling in pediatric neurologists or ace pediatricians (Chief of NICU at our hospitals) when necessary. Yes, I'm quite intelligent, but this doesn't make me too arrogant to call in the troops when needed. I have an excellent bedside manner, but when dealing with patients who lie, dissemble, etc., in order to "get me to write for" Valium, opiates (ridiculous; if I write one opiate script a month, that means one of my its were in the "Reg" [as opposed to Psych] ED, an stimulants. My prove practice is located in a very affluent area, which means people come in who think they can pay cash and I'lll take dictation. After all, any computer-savvy patient (or any exec with a computer-lit asst; i do) can find checklists for ADD/ADHD — questions and "answers". I"m supposed to be civil to someone who thinks for double my fee, I work for him? NFW! I tell them they have confused me with Dr. Feelgood, please pay me for the session and you do not have ADD, ADHD or any perceptible focusing disorder. I had used my Dad's Rx blanks to develop one hell of a REAL (Seconal, Nembutal, Doriden, Tuinal), amphetamine (Desoyxn - methamphetamine) and opiate (Dilaudid and Oxycodone) dependency. A couple of MY friends, who also were docs' kids, saw the writing on the wall and went to my parents. The boy who became my boyfriend said, "I care too much about you to let this continue to its inevitable ending; this isn't a Tennessee Williams' play; it's life" I got the help I needed and avoided AA/NA Cultists. However, I agree that we recovered addicts should pay it forward, so I do handle some of our drug cases and I pretty much had open access to drugs. I used all the tricks of the day — different pharmacists; having names of other patients on the scripts; using other family members' names, etc. All specialists prescribe like Fps to their families. I write for Oxycodone 10/APAP 300 for my attorney sister's migraines. Nothing else works and if she uses a months supply in a half-year, that's fine, You HAVE to be tough with real addicts, although I insist all personnel treat them with respect. Most of my colleagues like me, but all of them respect me as a physician and an administrator. I've even had early 20s pats whom I treated as teens come to visit in my office. One said: "Just wanna tell you I"m clean, Doc, and I"m sorry for being a Hellion from the Pit. I really didn't mean all that s*** I said to you. You're a good guy and you have BALLS, man. 19 or not, you called my Mom. [His Mom is the toughest /charge Nurse I've ever known; she's an NP and dragged the kid in to the hospital lab for the most extensive drug scan I've ever seen.] I'm finishing community college and going on to a four-year school. I have nice girlfriend whom I've told just enough about my former life. Thanks again, Dr. Joey. Another cool thing — you're the only doc who lets us call them by their first name." He tried every dope-fiending tactic I've ever read about or head about and I "blocked" every time. What I don't like is posters parading their ignorance or feigned ignorance and those who are looking for $$$ FOR PILLS docs to write for or dispense Xanax and Methadone — a classic cocktail of abuse.

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I was on several differ ADHA meds... I was on Vyvanse 40 for a year and jumped to 50.. the 50 mg cause my face to become red/ around my nose.... I wasnt going through this so I decided to stop.. I have had no withdrawal -I pray my post will encourage each of you... Blessings!!!

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I have experienced every single long-term side effect you've described. Everything from the feelings of displacement and dissociation to the intense withdrawals (days without vyvanse consist of eating, sleeping, and hours in bed on youtube). I have been on vyvanse for 3 1/2 years, and I began at 50mg/day. After 6 months I was taking 70mg/day, and then after about 2 years I began taking 140mg (2 70mg capsules) per day. I am currently trying to taper down my dose, but so far it's been a miserable failure. Vyvanse has thrown me into an insomnia-chronic depression-anxiety feedback loop that I'm absolutely certain I won't escape without serious treatment or divine intervention. So to anyone who might be reading this and has recently begun taking stimulant ADD meds- be conscious of the risks. If you find yourself needing to make 'tradeoffs' because of your medication's side-effects (ie, sacrificing sleep for good grades, or forgoing healthy eating habits for all-day focus at school), run while you can. Even if you take your medication exactly as prescribed (as I did), your body will still respond as it would to ANY potent stimulant. Over time, you'll experience tolerance. Dependence. Worsening anxiety. Insomnia. Depression. Mood/personality changes. Paradoxical fatigue and lack of motivation. It's only worth it until it's not. Please be careful and remember that your personal health and happiness comes first. And of course, always express your questions and concerns to your doctor.

Take care, and best of luck. :)

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Hey Christina thank you for the post! You are gonna feel so much better once you get off vyvanse completely! It does take a little time but you will definantly be happy again without it! Just want you to know that Jesus loves you and you can always turn to him when you are feeling down or depressed! I went through a terrible bout with vyvanse for about 2 years and it almost took everything from me.. Now I am happier and better off than ever and things really started getting better for me when I started digging into the word and praying! God has given me back everything I lost and more and he will do the same for all who turn to him! Hope you don't quit pushing forward without that terrible drug! You are loved!

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I took 70 mg of vyvance every day since my sophomore year in high school and I'm 25 now. I moved to Baton Rouge with my girlfriend for 4 months in which I stopped taking it. I felt the withdrawals every single day and never returned to normal so I had to get back on it. I'm sure there is gonna be a time and place for me to stop taking for the period of time I need to feel normal again but it's not gonna be anytime soon. My advice is please think long and hard about taking this drug even after your doctor says it's what you need

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I quit cold turkey 7 days ago and the only thing that's helped me survive this and still have energy is the probiotics I am taking. I bought the 30 billion for women and it has really helped me. I still get a little tired and depressed towards the end of the day but I am full of energy the rest of the day!

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Yeah, actually most people who take it have improved lives. Because of spikes with adderall, I would have meltdowns and anxiety attacks. Vyvanse is long acting and consistent, and helped me so much. Vyvanse is claimed to be addictive, but as a researcher of psychopharmacology, there is not much validity to this claim. There are severe side effects. Also vyvanse's half life is 12 hours, so you cannot have withdrawal symptoms from it for days. I'm not pushing the drug, I'm just saying as a non-biased researcher, these claims make me suspicious. People often abuse the drug, but for studying, being able to stay up for nights on end, not really because they are addicted... High doses are lethal, but small doses aren't, and are very beneficial. I have accidentally taken too much and have had hallucinations, sickness, dilated pupils, confusion, and a near death reaction, but that was when I confused my sisters 50mg with my 10mg, and ended up taking 5 50s instead of 5 10s with a red bull to wash it down (my senior year of high school). When taken correctly, it can change your life.

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Okay, some of these comments about vyvanse are ignorant. If you have ADD like me, prescriptions like vyvanse and adderall seem so great at first because they help you to stay focused and concentrated. But don't ever start taking them. Once your body gets used to them, then it'll be like it was without them, and the higher your dosage is, the worse the withdrawal symptoms. I've been on vyvanse for almost 2 years now and was up to 45mg. I tapered down to 10mg each month and whenever I don't take it for a day, it's a nightmare. I feel so exhausted, depressed, and in a brain fog. The longest I've gone without it is 6 days and it was so unbearable that I had to take it again. I'm not sure how long the withdrawal symptoms last, but I can't just take a month off of my life to withdraw from vyvanse! Don't go on it, it will just be harder in the end to get off of it.

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Vyvanse messed me up bad.
Really. I don't recommend it to anyone. My husband tells me I was in terrible shape.
I don't remember.

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Have you ever had your insurance company force you to go through prior authorization. Mine is forcing me to do so and has also forced me to stop taking my 100mg and will only allow me to take 70mg as of July of this year. I have been on this dose for three years and it has worked absolute wonders for me. All the other medications I took did little or nothing for me. Abilify made me eat and gain weight like crazy, and concerts was barely noticeable and caused me to become very violent and even hit people when I was younger, but vyvanse, with Wellbutrin and intuniv has been a godsend for me. It sucks because now that I'm on this lower than my normal dose I feel as if I haven't taken any vyvanse, and yet if I don't take it I used to forget to take and I'd be goofy and eat a lot (I take it for ADHD and Binge eating disorder) and yet now if I run out and have to wait a week for prior authorization I feel like dogs it, the back of my head hurts, I feel nauseous and out of it, and have been wringing my hands and felt cold and unable to eat much of anything all day. I ran out on Saturday and felt fine on Sunday, even though I knew hell was coming on Monday. I'm hoping to get my script in the mail tommorow. I just wish I could back to my original dosage, and stop feeling like I'm missing something. The original script made me focus so well, I got As and Bs all the time in high school, and in college I kinda struggled but managed to succeed in my first two semesters. I start my second year of community college next week on the 15th, I just pray I'll do well enough that I can get decent grades until I go and see my doctor in October, and see if some agreement can be reached through this.

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Re: Melina (# 221)

Stopped taking a few months ago went back on the prescription and I never had any problems with it

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Re: Leslie (# 413)

I wish what you are saying is true, but my son is going through a terrible time getting off this medication. He is having anxiety attacks, ruminative thoughts and feels very, very sad to the point of tears. Concerta had bad effects on appetite, but give me that over this nightmare any day.

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Re: Mary (# 30)

Increasing dopamine levels is sort of THE point with psychostimulants...

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My son had the same problem. I think you need to be weaned off of it. It was aweful. We were so used to using Concerta which he could take or not take anytime without withdraw affects it never occured to us with vyvanse that it would be different.

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