What Is The Withdrawal Like When Your On Methadone To Subutex (Top voted first)

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Please be ware there is no explaining what will happen to you physically and mentally you will wish you where dead and you feel like your going to I was on 80mg of methadone for 1 month I did 1\4 of an ampuill it was the worst experience I don't think they put o the warning labels what happened but it was really BAD

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BS: I posted this elsewhere but it belongs here, I'm sick of seeing NOTHING BUT horror stories that either 1. scare someone away from detoxing or 2. scare someone from trying MMT.

I've read nothing but horror stories about coming off methadone and the greedy people at my clinic told me I should drop 1 mg every 1-2 weeks. I dropped by 5 mg from 45mg until 20mg where I stayed for a month, then jumped down to 10mg for 10 days, then 1 mg every 5 days-- I'm down to 1 mg-- for 8 days I haven't even become slightly ill and I can't imagine that the 1 mg every 24 hours is "holding me" or keeping the withdrawals away.

I even skipped a 1 mg day to see what would happen and-- NADA. Just a bit tired. Two more days and I'll be done. And Don't tell me that jumping from 1mg to 0mg is going to all of a sudden bring on "wish I was dead" withdrawals.

It's going to be different for everybody.

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Every detox depends on the dose your on. 80 mil of Methadone is not a dose to walk away from. It's bad enough doing a gradual taper. Plus, doctors have little sympathy for patiens detoxing. They should script a weeks supply of Benzo's at the least. Too many relapses result from the detox nightmare. No sleep is the worst. Remember you will get back to normal. It just won't be today. Get as active as possible, occupy your mind with something besides how bad you feel. Go to meetings as much as possible, two a day minimum.

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Hi Pat,

Sorry to hear about what happened. Sounds like you had a pretty grueling experience there. And I can only imagine how concerned I would be too, without having any prior warning labels/interactions listed on the packaging to help make sense of what's going on.

From what I've read, it's probably not safe to use either of these drugs within at least a week of each other. Taking subutex (buprenorphine) directly after methadone could potentially put your body into a life-threatening state of withdrawal.

I've seen a number of other unfortunate reviews from people who accidentally attempted this and later paid the price. Apparently when your receptors are filled with methadone, buprenorphine may take the methadone off of the receptors and cause precipated withdrawal syndrome. And is basically considered an acute withdrawal - what is normally experienced over several days is compressed into a period of several hours, with headache, cramping intestines, diarrhea, vomiting, restless legs, etc.

Methadone's long elimination half-life of anywhere between 8-59 hours might also make things a little difficult when considering a switch from one drug to another.

Hope you're feeling a whole lot better now!

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Hi Spiritual mom! I was on 110 of methadone. 4 almost 5 years. What u have 2 do is taper down very slowly. Once u get 2 the point of having bad withdrawals, then, u can switch 2 suboxone. I got down 2 (24) when I switched over. By that time , I was pretty bad off. Buy, a few minutes after taking the suboxone, I felt SO much better. Remember , the main thing is , 2 b in withdrawals b 4 u switch. Let me know how u make out .

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Thats exactly why you had no withdrawal. You are supposed to be on a low dose (20-30mg) is the suggested dose of opiates and start your initial sub dose many hours after your last opiate dose. Or preferably already starting withdrawal symptoms before dosing with subutex or suboxone. The manufacturer would prefer you be somewhat in the beginnings of withdrawal and if you read the pamphlet that comes with the medication it even states that. Along with those little advertisments in the Drs office. That way you will have a better experience with their products and instead of using them as a means of getting off of opiates completely, you just trade one medication for the other. And continue buying their product instead of the more economical Methadone. But ill just bet you think thats BS also. But thats ok. We all live and learn.

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NOT bulls***. if you do subutex or suboxone too soon after methadone, you absolutely will go into precipitated withdrawals. it happened to me. im thinking it must have been because as you said, you were in such a small dose of the methadone. when i switched, i was on 120mgs of methadone, so that would take a lot longer to get out of your system. im glad you didnt have precipitated withdrawals when you switched. trust me, YOU should be glad too. it aint pretty. but PLEASE dont dismiss the legitimate experiences of others as "bulls***".

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I never said anything about IV'ing subutex. What I said was taking subutex too close to opiates can throw you into withdrawal. A fact that you dispute. Thanks for making my point, tho. you dont take this seriously. I do. Like i said, if this is all a big joke to you, maybe you shouldn't be here. Hopefully no one will take your bad advice.

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Bulls***. About 3 years ago I was on methadone, prob not near as much as yal cuz I'm a tiny girl, about three 10mg pills a day.. wanted to quit, switched to subutex, or soboxone, whichever I could find.. immediately. And may not have felt much the first or second day but continued the sub every day, and eventually started feeling the strong effects of the bup. Which acts sort of as an opiate for awhile until u get used to it, than u just feel normal. I totally SKIPPED withdrawals. Never had to go thru it. That's my experience. Just wish i hadn't gotten addicted to the sub afterwords. Its much better, if not abused u feel sober, clean.. but still, its still another physical mental addiction to a pill.

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Sorry but you are just plain WRONG. Subutex can and will bring on precipitated withdrawals. Your bulls*** sarcasm is not withstanding. I have personally been there. You are WRONG WRONG, so very WRONG.

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Re-lax. Why people let themselves get so worked up over what some strange(r) types on a website is beyond me. I mean it's not like I'm talking about your momma. Chill, baby. Peace.

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are you withdrawing now, sweetheart? Maybe you could talk to your doctor(s) about a script for some benzodiazepines so you can chiiillllll

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You have absolutely no idea what I am thinking, feeling, or what I may personally be going through myself that might bring me to this website. I have no idea what you are so angry about or why you want to try to take it out on me, but I am neither impressed nor scared. If I weren't taking this seriously I would have used this as an opportunity to TROLL the crap out of you, but instead I have tried to placate whatever it is that might be bothering you, because I DO understand that people come here for help. Now, back off, I've got some pretty intense Suboxone withdrawals to go through and I really don't need your aggravation, ok?

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And why are you saying I "dispute" your point? I conceded to you days ago....????

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I hate to disappoint you, but you really can't make me mad or even hurt my feelings. I reserve that honor for family, friends, and coworkers! Maybe the occasional bad driver! I don't know if you have insurance or what state you live in, but I'm sure you have access to some kind of therapist that will help you get at the real root of your anger. That is not what this website is designed for; going off on people really is very out of line. I "dispensed" nothing & I apologize if my vocabulary was not understandable to you. I hope you find some peace. Please don't message me again. This is my last one to you & it is out of concern.

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it sounds like you just need to adjust to your new dose of subs. and that "3 times a day" stuff? if i were you i would go ahead and take another one. are u letting them completely dissolve and not spitting out ir swallowing some of it? when i was on them, i was also on 24 mgs, and i did 2 in the a.m. and one at night. some people even do their whole dose in the a.m. since they are long acting. go ahead and do another one. the "ceiling" dose is 32 mgs so u may even need to go up to 32. ceiling means taking more than the 32mgs doesnt help and can actually backfire on you. take a second one and see how u feel in an hour. i remember i felt awful when i first started it, and then suddenly a few days in, BOOM...i felt human again. good luck and let me know if u have any more questions. PEACE

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It's great to hear someone else say this. There is a poster on here that swears that one can take subutex together with methadone since the subutex does not contain naloxone. WRONG....this poster is named VERWON, and he/she couldnt be more wrong. comes off like some big expert too with the "is there anything else i can help you with today?" ok, you arent helping ANYONE by giving bad advice! so thanks for verifying what i have said on here. I went through what you did from taking subs too soon after opiates. OM HOLY G....that is something i would never want anyone else to go thru, so please, DO NOT LISTEN TO VERWON REGARDING THIS SUBJECT. i thought i knew what bad withdrawal was....HA! I'm climbing the friggin walls. i was running into the living room, the bedroom, the living room, just going in circles. begging my hubbs to smother me with a pillow. he started feeding me trazodone until i finally passed out. i woke up on the couch 4 hours later, my clothes drenched in sweat and my body feeling like i had just run the NY marathon.

Anyway....while waiting a WEEK really isnt necessary, i would say 48 hours minimum. methadone takes longer than other drugs to leave your system. and you were on a fairly high dose, so even longer. i was on around 80-90 mgs of methadone (i think...its been a while) took the subs at my dr's office after about 50 hours, and was fine.

AGAIN.....buprenorphine, whether with or without the naloxone (subutex OR suboxone) taken too close to "full-on" opiates (methadone, oxys, etc) will send you into HELL... the naloxone is only in there to keep people from abusing the subs. bupe is bupe....it will ALL give you precipitated withdrawal.

I agree with you that methadone is better for me. i am on 90 mgs of 10 mg tablets, taking 6 tabs in the a.m. and 3 tabs in the p.m. i went all the way up to the 32mg ceiling with the subutex and i was just BARELY hanging on. the 90 mgs seems to be just right for me. i feel "normal" without getting buzzed or needing a nap in the afternoon. (which happened to me when i was on too much) also agree that opiate addiction is just horrible, difficult, nasty stuff. good luck to you.

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Hi looking for someone to chat with trying to wean off the methadone to get on Suboxen

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Thanks for the info,,I'm going to be on 30 mg methadone then stop for 3days then start sub,,I'm so optimistic and a little anxious,,,I will keep in touch

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Nikins, the reason it was so easy for you is because you were on 30 mg of meth a day forever. When coming down from say 100mg of meth is so much harder. But I'm so happy it worked for you!

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Okay, I'm bored & I'm also open-minded. I read a bunch of crap saying basically what I said, BUT it also said you would go into full withdrawal if you inject subs. Not true. Big fat lie. I've seen it done too many times-it's ridiculously unnecessary. But, I have never taken, nor witnessed anybody take, Subutex right on top of methadone. Ergo, I will concede that point.

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