Watson's 853 White Pills

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I've got the white Watson 853's. I also feel less pain relief from them. I also have mild signs of withdrawal moderate head ache, nervousness and shaking. If indeed they were 10/325 they'd at least care of a head ache. Right? Not having the oringinal prescription I can't read the micro print to see if they're a placebo. Doctors do prescribe placebos to see if you're in pain or not. I fact I can could spend hours telling you what kind of games/tricks that doctors will play. I know because I've been treated for chronic pain since 1996. Some doctor are worse than others. But, it always comes down to them not wanting their names appearing on a DEA agents desk. Many pain doctors won't prescribe cause they're needle jockies. At a pain clinic the CNP prescribes which is scary because they're not MD's. But, back to medications prescribing placebos is common place nowadays.

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Hi Andy,

Depending on the manufacturer, generics have been known to be very inconsistent with not only the amount of active ingredients being used, but also the types of inactive ingredients that differentiate between each drug company. My theory is that these two factors are the cause of the "placebo effect"; being noticeably less potent than brand name counter parts or another company's generic for that matter.

However the way I've understood it is that pharmacies have control over which manufacturers they choose to purchase from, and often times they only go with the cheapest available options. So unless the patients tells the doctor to write a prescription for a specific manufacturer's brand/generic, the quality of the medication you receive is then left up to the pharmacist and/or what some insurance companies are willing to cover. Due to this, I don't think it's the doctor's fault at all and more emphasis should probably be put on the pharmacies for making bad buying decisions when it comes to quality medication.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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Nope, not even close. The white pills do not come up on a single pill identifying app or book. If says Watson thats who made it. Since 1996 FDA how allowed doctors to prescribe placebos and many do. These reports of people getting sick with no pain relief is because they got a placebo and are going through withdrawal. Watkins hydrocodone is yellow and chalky, not white shiny and rock hard. Their are no allergies to aluminum lake 10 yellow die. It's in everything, it wasn't removed because of allergies as Watson states.

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@post #2,

I do agree with you on the notion that many patients who've developed a tolerance to pain meds are getting sick on these white Watson 853 tablets due to their weaker strength. Just for the record though, I did find out that the white Watson 853 tablets do in fact come up on nih.gov's pillbox. No photo is displayed, but the description speaks for itself. So this does prove that they have been accounted for. The only thing that hasn't been determined to my knowledge is how Actavis got away with using less hydrocodone and still reporting it as the same dosage when it offers little to no relief in comparison.

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Yes, 853 white does come up as 10 mg Hydrocodone/325 Acetaminphen. It also has WATSON directly above 853 and it is scored on the other side. A pharmacy is not going to give a patient a drug and tell them it is one thing when it is another or a placebo, that is against the Law. It doesn't matter if you believe it, but it is reality. Fillers can affect the way meds are absorbed and that can make them feel like they aren't as stong as what you're taken before.

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Wrong. A pharmacy is going to give a patient something other than advertised. That is what is happening. And yes, it is illegal.

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What are the differences between a fake 853 Watson and a legit one?

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I have an idea, tell ur docs that ALL VIKES R GARBAGE!!! TELL UR DR THEY MAKE U SICK TO UR STOMACHE N REQUEST PERCS MUCH STRONGER MUCH BETTER U WILL BE THANKING ME AS SOON AS U MAKE THE CHANGE #REAL TALK

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David. Thanks. Your postings have been helpful but what can we do about it? How or who can hold the pharmaceutical companies responsible for a bad/inferior product that doesn't do what its suppose to or that its not as strong as its suppose to be. Patients..like me. rely on this to live a functional meaningful life as best as possible for having chronic back pain for whatever reasons (mine car accident). Its like no one cares because of the bad apples out there (the addicts or ones selling their script for $) These guys have ruined it for the people that truly need real pain medication for relief! What do you suggest to get this ball rolling?

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Dear BadPill67,

Thank you very much for the feedback.

I admittedly have run into the same dead end as far as determining where we should go from here to get the ball rolling. Attempting to change the mind of a biased physician is like trying to make a cat bark LOL. The whole orthodox of the pharmaceutical business is so severely corrupt and unjust to the point where it would seem that you either have to comply and find a way to play their game or pretty much resort to naturopathic alternatives (which doesn't always provide the level of relief chronic pain patients desperately need - although everyone is different). Lawyers are too scared to go up against the billionaires of big pharma in court, knowing that winning a case for even tens of millions of dollars wouldn't even put a dent in their pocket book…and then the pharmaceutical companies write that check and continue on like nothing ever happened, only to make matters worse. So on the legal side of things, my observations is that it's always rigged for them to win unless money doesn't come into the picture anymore.

On another note, regarding the natural side of things…I've noticed a few threads here on MedsChat discussing the use of a plant called Kratom for managing chronic pain. Although not as powerful as an opiate, some individuals have reported it to be the closest thing to an opiate that's not an opiate, so to speak.

In conjunction with that, others have also sweared by the benefits of CBD's from cannabis to effectively control pain. (THC being a potential adjunctive treatment as well).

Turmeric (curcumin) is another root/herb that according to The University of Texas, is just as effective as the following anti-inflammatory drugs: tamoxifen, aspirin, ibuprofen, dexamethasone, celecoxib, sulindac, phenylbutazone, indomethacin, diclofenac, and naproxen. So in my perspective I see how this could easily be a "safer" (i.e. not harming the kidneys/liver) option to other meds that are often combined with narcotics to increase their efficacy. Apparently it's also more effective than pharmaceutical corticosteroids at reducing inflammation. So if you're considering going the natural route, this might be a staple item to keep as backup.

I could go, but when it comes to achieving pain relief, I think we all could agree than some relief is better than none at all, and what I've been determined to do myself is find whatever natural remedies are closest to the level of relief pharmaceuticals provide (in whatever classification of meds that may be). This way I don't have to be dependent on a dishonest system filled with countless worries about whether they'll ever make things right… I've basically taken matters into my own hands because I lost trust in the system. That is where I'm at now. Researching and researching…then trial and error in order to find out what my body responds best to.

Thanks for reading and I will be sure to share any new information I might stumble upon regarding possible solutions to the challenges we've all been facing.

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