Just Want To Take Suboxone For A Few Days To Detox From Heroin Will It Work (Page 3)
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hey guys, i have been taking dilaudid for about 5 months 4,8mg a day then switched to heroin for 1 month 2 bags a day,now my friend gave me 4,8mg suboxones and told me it would help me get off h for good, i waited 24 hours took half a subox and i must say it works for wd's but when i run out witch i estimate will be in 2,3 days will i just suffer again;like where i left off or will the h be out of my system and the wd's light enough to withstand, please help, im not a newbee to drug abuse had bad h habits in the past and know the nature of the beast, just want this stuff out of my life so i can go back to work and live again, i need the truth or as close as i can get, can i beat it like this or am i wasting my time,maybe i can get one or two more subs from my freind

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you cant escape withdrawals, you can reduce them. If you had 4 8mg strips or pills I would use the last 1 1/2 to do a slower taper. Day1-4mg, D2-2mg morn 1mg even, D3-2mg, D4 -2mg, D5 -2mg D6-1mg, D7 -1mg, D8- .5mg, D9 -.5mg, D10 - Jump. It will be much better than cold turkey. It will not take cravings away, stay away from drug buddies, work on changing your lifestyle during the whole taper and after

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can't people take the time to write correctly instead of always using text language? People are talking about addiction and help and people rush through a response. Like asking someone for help and the person responds will walking away.

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Subs do not "heal your brain receptors" Subs are an opiate that replace the opiate you where abusing. Subs eliminate the need to seek drugs, steal, employment, dangerous behaviors, etc. Subs also help with withdrawals because it is easier to taper off it

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Im not sure if anyone is talking on here anymore. I need help. I started taking vics 5/325 when I was 15. Before I knew it I was at 16 a day. Crack em in half and gulp em down. It wasnt enough. Jumped to nibbling 80 mg REAL oc's. Then blasting them up. 500 to 600 mg a day. Never got into h, but every other opiate I had done in every way possible. My friends would call me the pharm because of how much I knew about them. I would overdose at least twice a week. I would throw up every single morning before I would dose. When I stopped cold turkey I was using up to eight 4 mg dilleys a day. I wd for 3 weeks. Absolute hell. Residual wd for 3 more weeks. I was finally sober. A close family member then started getting 130 5/325 vics a month. And didnt take them. Free drugs at my finger tips. I would go through them in 3 weeks, then buy roxeys or perks for the next week. Did this on and off for a few years. I am now 22 and cant seem to kick it. Im taking between 6 to 13 vics a day, simply because they are free. My life is changing for the better now, but the only time I feel happy is when im high. (Pills) iv smoked bud since 15 and drank since 16, but never had an issue like I do with opiates. I feel like when im high, my brain functions better, im more personable, im outgoing, im motivated, hell im just f***in happy. Even when ive been sober for extended periods of time it doesnt compare. I hold a very good job, im extremely intelligent, iv been in a very long relationship, and I have many goals in life. My body is in good condition (dispite the stupid amount of acetaminophen my body has taken in). I just cant kick it. It always creeps back. " ill just take a couple here and there" then bam! Im addicted again. Ive been through harsh wd 5 times, but its a never ending cycle. Please.

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That was so well written and genuine that I kept on reading. The only problem that I found in " some " of the meetings was there were and I guess it's normal in any groups, is that you hear people just talking a pity party. I did attend a few different meetings,some good, some bad. But Matt is so right about sharing.
Thank you

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Grab a few more if you can the great thing with suboxone if u t not doing multiple 8 a day for a long period its not like methadone u can jump at 4 mil after a short stint and get by without major discomfort

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Amber. I stopped fine. Using short term sub as a solution. Happy Yu decided to kick this s*** (: Just think girl. I told myself man its crazy how i will feel normal wit out freaking putting a needle in my arm. I'm free! Nd happy. Its hard but its doable. Anyways dnt give up.

Here it is. You shld start wit 2mg first day depending on your tolenence to h. If tht dnt help after 45 mins take another .25 Take another. Yu have to find how much makes yu stop hurting on tht first day. At each dose less than the last time. But always wait 45mins before takin a lil more if the dose didnt help. take sub only after feeling really s***ty apox. 17 -20hrs. After last dose of dope. Test your symptoms on the cows test (Google) before taking sub's. Congrats on taking sub's short term. Sub's are so addictive im 8 days clean frm dope nd 5 from the sub's. Yes slight discomfort in legs. Totally Barrable tho. Tht passes wit the more sober days you gain under ya belt. You can do I hope you stay strong minding and have will power to say no. Want it bad... I have to stop the excuses. Good luck. Nd God bless Yu.(:

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Matt! Man bro I feel Yu on reading these posts, feeling inspired, and motivated. "Like if they can do it I sure as hell can too". Its been 8 days since ma last shot of dope.. Woohoo! Lol. I used 2½ soboxone for about 4days. Its a start and I'm feeling very confident! I knw I can keep clean. 8 days into it, its just not worth going thru hell of kickin. Plz don't stop reading nd askin ?s. These blogs are wat really really help me in my first 3days of detox.. OK well, Matt Idk how they do it in bags over there. But I'm sure your h is in form of powder. Down here in Texas we do it in form of black tar heroin... I had a friend from Chicago, who had been iv h user for on 2yrs. and she said 2 pieces of tar frm here was much more potent, also more in quantity than the China white there. You wld think the powder form wld have Less cut. Therefore, more potent. I really don't knw how it works up there.

But anyway... Iv been doin heroin for 6yrs. First 4 n a half yrs I snorted in form of powder. Wit just about 2 n a half To 3 pieces a day. Then one day I decided to try iv'ing. What's one time, I said. Well one time turn into almost 2yrs. Banging about 6to 9 pieces a day. I was a f***in zombie. Ma dude had the same addition same tolerence as mine. All we cared about was finding a vien. And getting high together. We fed off each other, bringing each other down. I cld go on and on. I never hit rock bottom, but about Lil over a week ago I found My son (1½) trying to tie a shoe lace around his arm. I cried a lot. Said I was sorry his mother is a addict. ): you dnt have to hit rock bottom Yu just have to really want to get clean. I always told myself wen Im sick of this. I'll stop. Its all about being strong in the mind. Have will power to say no to the voice saying get high. Ask God for strength, he listens to any nd everyone. Even all the dope heads.

Heres how I used suboxone: First day I waited 18hrs from my last shot. I had been feeling horrible but Yu have to be in moderate WD before takin the subs, if not Yu cld get precipitated WD. ):sucks. Sublinguaning half a 8mg strip under tounge. I felt OK. Relieved after about 5-10mins. next dose (half 8mg)didn't come till I was starting to WD again(12hr). next dose day 2 ¼ of sub, about 14hrs. later By day 3 I realized I didn't need it. It had been 20hrs. N I still felt fine. I was happy, normal. But 2 hrs later (day4) I needed another¼ Day 5 I just smoked a Lil weed nd was happy. By day 6 I started feeling the slightest feeling of restless legs, stretching, aching in the back, yawning, nd being cold nd have chills. It was slightly discomforting but nothing compared to wd'ing for real. Today I'm still feeling the slight body aches nd chills fatuige also.. But Completely Bareable. I know as more days pass the more better I'll feel. I feel good to say I feel normal w/o a substance. I didn't want to depend on suboxone to feel normal. Its highly additive. So using sub short term to kick is fine nd works.
You just gotta have control of the mind. Your mind will make Yu thing Yu need subs to be normal or keep from getting dope sick just like h. Only take sub wen starting to feel wds. Nd less is more so start wit half. And each dose work your way dwn. If its been 45 -hr after last dose nd still no relief take only ¼ Yu shld be good.

Once Yu passed 3 days of detox the test is will power. I say why go back wen I'm already 8days clean. And if a few days of Lil discomfort is all I feel, s*** I'll take that over depending on drugs legal or not. Yes, its harder because your mind f***s with you somtimes. But control my own mind. If Yu are not strong enough to say no to the temptation, cravings, than your only gonna waste time. Its about how hard Yu will fight, control, will power, and the want has to be 100%.

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I tell you another side effect I have had that kinda sticks around from the use of suboxen just on a short time..and thats electrical jerking going on , and its almost violent..now I have heard that seizures are related to suboxen but I am not positive on that.. I have a question tho.....is it standard practice for a doctor in charge of a suboxen program to allways insist on a 12 step program as well? Reason I ask is... I am more than willing to attend meetings.... but I would just as soon do it from say my laptop on NA.org in evenings from my hotel.. My doctor tried to explain difference in "dependency" as opposed to "addiction" and I have to be honest..with my physical problems (is how this started 4 years ago) I honestly believe I am more dependent on these drugs , wich isnt any better if you abuse that dependency ...I do know that,.. I am not saying I want to do all this on MY terms I just have a situation where I work all over the country and cant be home every time ...Its made a huge issue in my career having to not accept work too far from home now..having to be at pain clinic once a month as well....Its been a huge issue and really negatively changed my lifestyle in part due to just making sure I was home to get my pills.... What was really odd was I triued like hell to get suboxen from my pain doc...and talked to them about my feelings I was abusing... everytime I brought this up to my docs...they UPPED my meds..... now they tell me if I piss dirty one more time they will kick me out of the program.... Kinda leaving you out to dry there know what I mean? These pain docs are crazy!!

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Dude I had an unbelievable revelation when I came to the part where you said "and you know what I'm talking about if you've gone through it" and hearing about how happy you are f***ing gives me hope. I'm doing 5 - 10 bags a day and I just picked up a stack (50 bags) to start to wean myself off but I'm realizing more dope isn't gana fix the problem. I am very happy for you with the success you've had with not suboxone but being happy without drugs and It inspires me beyond belief. Spread the good word brother. Reading this changed a lot.
Thank you,
Matt

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yea um u can't insufflate op's..

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Hanna opana what did you do as dosing for those 5 days?!?!? I need help

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Im right w ya on that Pat..people shouldnt judge. Im a full time student n work full time. Im.addicted to diludid, iv..have been for years. I go to these sights to look for inspiration n hear others stories about how they overcame. If i wanted to hear N.A. bs id go to a mtg. Im on day 2 of no opiates, taking a 1/4 sub a day to maintain n be able to go to school and work..its not easy but i cant check into detox so im doin it at home..its not easy but i have WAY to much goin for me right now to piss it away to contunue to be a slave to the spike. Im doin the best i can

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Hi Zany, I know what you mean. Problem is that a lot of folks don,t start there own post and just kind of jump in if the subject matter is similar. Problem with that is a lot of people don,t read it and they can,t help.
Another problem is they list the oldest replies first. If you look up top under original post on this page you will see (sort by oldest post first or newest post first) click newest post first and you,ll see what I mean.

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i seems like most of these posts are old. isnt there any somewhere for 2013.. 2014

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sorry to tell you pat but their right! how are you clean when your still taking methadone? being clean means you dont have to take any kind of pill to get through the day. methadone is meant to be used to start at a certain dose and then taper down until your not taking it anymore. if you stay on the drug, then your never clean!! its meant to be used to get off of it eventually. im not judging but you cant say your clean when your still on methadone. plain and simple. its not na bulls*** as you like to say. getting clean is just that, meaning you shouldnt have to take a drug daily to live.

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save your subs till you want to quit. subs don't change your desire to use just help with withdrawals. you probably need to seek professional help

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agree, NA works for some but they tout success and omit the failures. There are users still active in NA meetings, there are people looking to exploit others, hookups that lead to relapse, etc. Also if your personality is such that your sick of drugs and everything to do with them then NA is not the place. Unless you want to hear drug war stories every day. Its an answer for some, usually those who have failed at every attempt, NA is the last resort not the first.

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I totally agree if u need maintenance then use it. Wd is hard I've gone cold from oxy n from h. The h put me in the hospital. Then I went back to it again even after all that pain I went through this time I'm using subs day four I feel great n I'm not upping my hospital bill. It was a horrible comment Hanna made I don't wish addition on anyone n any way u can get better do it. I don't beleave in AA either my step father went to meetings drunk n higher powers rnt gonna take the straw or needle from u only u can do that

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people usually don't steal, lie, drive to obtain drugs, on subs, it is a little different I would say. It gives people a chance to get control of their life. Long term sub use on the other hand is not good. it really works with start low-out quick and you must make lifestyle changes or it won't work

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