How Long After Taking Kratom Can You Take Suboxone (Page 3)

Hi I have been on suboxone for four weeks, before that I was on methadone for five years. I decided to try kratom to stop the suboxone but it isn't really doing much and I feel really lethargic and headaches. I took about 4-5gram of kratom at 8am, it's now 1:40pm"..I want to take some suboxone, will I get sick? Precipitated withdrawals? I've seen some people say they take suboxone after kratom and are fine, but, there isn't much out there on the topic. I just don't wanna get sick for I have a three ur old boy and Christmas is in two days

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Re: BluntTruth (# 11)

Hope you are good - wish i would've seen this before now; You should be able to take Subs with Kratom in your system - I have and never experience wd's. I believe the naloxone only works if someone tries to abuse the suboxone.

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Re: Gigi (# 41)

Hello Gigi and Everyone, sucks there isn't much data on Kratom, but from all my research from "independent" sources lol, it seems like Kratom and Subs can work. I've been doing days of research for myself. Long story short: Broke my back, Dr gave me percs. He kept giving them, i kept taking...Dr cut me off, went to the streets, found Roc's, was taking them for years. I know this is going to sound insane, but I would take 5 30mg Rocs at a time, twice a day.... Finally went on Subs, feel off subs back to rocs, back on subs. Been "clean" of Perc and Roc for 4yrs now, but been on Subs for that entire time. I don't take much sub anymore, 8mg strip but I cut it up and take half in morning, half at night. I really want to kick this and just get off everything but its freaking hard as a lot of you already know. I got Red Bali and Green Kratom last week. Honestly I'm scared to take it while on subs or ever after subs. From what I'm reading its ok... but I've been in PWD before and I wanted to kill myself. I'm so scared of that happening. My last 4mg sub was 11pm last night, its been 13hrs since I had any sub. Do you think the Kratom would be ok? Thank you

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Re: Emily (# 1)

Just read your post! Wish I saw it sooner; I have been on Suboxone for 10+ years, and I take Kratom about 5-7 days out of the month to help with pain & anxiety; I have used both on same day, and I never have any issues. Take care, and Do what works for YOU!!! God Bless...

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Re: Coco (# 43)

Really? I want to try replacing subs so bad. Just don't know how long I have to wait or even how much to take.

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Hello. I know exactly what your concerns are. When I was on Suboxone a couple years back, I was prescribed the 8/2's. It would give me horrible constipation that created pain in my lower back near my Kidneys. So, I started with the white vein leaf Kratom. 4-5 grams (powder) mixed with Apple Cider vinegar, or something very acidic to help with the absorption rate and get a stronger brew. Then drink it an hour or so from taking the Suboxone. And the Kratom would relieve that pain which the Suboxone could not. That's the wonderful thing that most don't seem to understand; That Kratom does not make you feel high, but it will relieve pain and that is a high within itself, naturally. I have yet to feel any kind of "Precipitated Withdrawal" during my use of Suboxone, I think it's made up to scare people into not trying to feel high or whatever people do that's not recommended by the physicians. Now I take no more than 2mg... less is better, it'll still works, with less side effects. Along with 1mg - 2mg of Klonopin. Gabapentin, bupropion, and sometimes adderall when I want to. All prescribed. Though choosing not to use is a great feeling, especially when you have the tools to help. I used to mess around a few years back while on the Subs, but I realized that I had a choice to be in darkness or light. Now I'm weaning of everything that's not necessary, and paying attention to everything I took for granted, the little things I missed, but can be found...

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Hi I was wondering if you took kratom while on suboxone again or if you had any info? I’m on subs but am thinking of trying kratom and I’m scared to get sick

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Re: Jax (# 46)

Wish I could answer that, I'm in the same boat. My only attempt at Kratom so far was the day after taking 1 8mg strip. I broke the strip up into half and did half in morning rest at like 11pm. Slept late and woke up around 2pm. Over 12 hrs with no sub. I tried 1gram of green DA Kratom. Didn't feel anything. Took sub like an hour after and was fine. I know I need to take more Kratom and I have Red Bali now, just scared to mix.

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Re: WhirlPoolPatel (# 47)

Well please let me know how you feel, I’m gonna have to experiment too I suppose. I’ll write my results as well!

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Re: BluntTruth (# 11)

you are so wrong. naloxone is literally only there to keep people from shooting it. bupenorphine itself causes precipitated withdrawals and covers the receptors to keep one from getting high

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I have taken tons of Kratom (not anymore cuz it hurt my stomach) but it intensified the subutex I’m prescribed to. There is no reason to take kratom if you get suboxone or subutex. I’ve never had a bad experience mixing them, but taking them on their own ripped up my stomach bad.

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I am a regular Kratom user. I’m not on opioids but they do react on the same receptors but in different ways. Kratom is not as good as opioids but little side effects. There are detailed charts for people withdrawing from opioids or alcohol. You do take together at first but in differing declining ratios safely. I would advise you to join every Kratom Support Group. A wealth of info from thousands of users. Kratom is NOT a drug, it is in the coffee plant family and caffeine is also an opiate or opioid!! It is an herb. It does give many a headache but there is a steep learning curve of strains, colors, countries of origin, and how you can mix for best results. Most do not feel high whatsoever. Just a gentle ebbing away of pain to tolerable levels. You also must be cautious with doses because u do build tolerance and need to decrease or take breaks to reset. Vendors should only be ones approved by the AKA so they go through rigorous analysis and oversight. Don’t buy gas station quality!! Avoid contamination! We found that people who never feel a high from opioids do not get it from Kratom either. Also those same people do not suffer WDs from either. That’s me, you would never know if I have taken either! I keep my dose as low and spaced out as possible many times only needing a good morning dose of mixed strains equaling less than 8mg. But it’s a ton of trial and error. Read Dr Richard McCurdy in FL, a leading Kratom researcher, a ton more credible research universities, but big pharmaceutical is super threatened by Kratom. You cant patent a coffee plant. Also it is nothing like MJ so don’t expect it to be. BTW no one has ever died from Krarom ever! It has been in the systems of some deaths but mixed with lots of illicit drugs and so it gets counted as contributing to the death. Very very very rare for any coroner to rule it as the cause of death

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Also you will find the Kratom Support Groups are singularly THEE most educated researchers as users. Far more than ANY doctors. They are not spoon fed by the DEA, CDC, or FDA and read relentlessly and use each other by the thousands to get to the truth on Kratom. I consider them the real clinical trials on Kratom without the bias and games of clinical trials.

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Re: Emily (# 1)
Hi! I’m just now seeing your question. I also am on Suboxone for chronic migraine (PLUS 0.25 mgs of Xanax - 6X per day) I’ve had chronic, intractable migraines for about 40 years. Been on many different meds but this combination is working the best! So, my question is what are you taking Suboxone for? Chronic Pain, Chronic Migraines?? I think it makes a difference what chronic pain you’re dealing with if Suboxone will work for you!! Oh btw, I take 3 - 8 mg/2mg strips per day along with the Xanax.

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You're so lucky. What dose are you on? 4 weeks is nothing you should be fine. I was on it over 4 years. I had severe withdrawals for months and the depression and tiredness could last for years. You may have mild withdrawals if your on a low dose just taper if you can. If you're on 8 ml. break it up and taper. I’m telling you I’m a professional with this. It’s the worst drug ever. Don’t keep taking it. The withdrawals are worse than any other drug. Even Heroin. I promise it will take over your life and you won’t be able to live without it. And sometimes you lose pills or if you have to break them in half they turn into powder. They are tiny especially the lower you go. Will the doctor refill your script. Nope because he doesn’t make mistakes I guess. Within the 4 years I went without a handful of times and had complete withdrawals but never went back to pain pills. I didn’t wanna depend on something. I hope you're fine and off of it.

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Re: BluntTruth (# 11)

I ran out of subs and took Kratom for a couple days and took it up until 2 hrs of getting a Suboxone, when I finally got one and I was fine. Kratom and sub hit the same opiate receptors in the brain and don’t put you into double withdrawal.

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How soon can I start Suboxone after last dose of kratom?

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I just started Suboxone yesterday. 8mg once daily. The clinician I saw told me that it would not cause precipitated withdrawals if I took the Suboxone the same day I took Kratom, even if I was not in active withdrawals. I heeded her advice and took a tablet and found that she was correct in what she had told me. No withdrawals. Best of luck to you.

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Re: Emily (# 1)

thank you was also wondering the same in withdrawal now and want to take suboxone its been six hours since last kratom use

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