Can Subutex Be A Small White Round Pill With 8 On One Side And An Arrow On The Other (Page 2) (Top voted first)

My friend takes 8mg subutex and when he picked up his script today, they weren't the usual white tablet. They were white and the size of a 2mg subutex with an 8 on one side and an arrow on the other. Could his pharmacist have made a big mistake or are these just a different brand??

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what do i tell doc to get subutex

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ok i have been addicted tp painkillers for 6 years and i am 22 yrs old i have been getting the regular subutex until today i got a smaller pill it had an arrow and 8 on it i need to know if its what i need it helps but nothing is worse than taking meds and not knowing roxies are powerful and i saw this pill and didnt want to take it because i didnt know if it was actually subutex and i want my life back am i taking the right drug please tell me i can't even see a pic someone please tell me i am taking the right meds? i beg you

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Feels like I have to take more of the little ones to feel something. I was getting the bigger subs they worked fine.

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So here is my take with the small Arrow 8s. See I just started getting these as well and it seemed as if they weren't as strong as the larger Tevas or straight Suboxone.

I think the problem I was having and most others with the small 8s is that we are swallowing a lot of the concentrated bup. With the big pills you could let them melt over time.. and the release of the bup was steady.. it wasn't like if you swallowed once you'd loose 4mg.

So I am trying that now, because I have been eating these like candy. I haven't slept in two days. Argh.. in the shower, out of the shower, in the shower, out of the shower. Restless legs.. all I want is benzos now, but we all know that leads to darker places.

So, lets take another 4mg and just not swallow for 15minutes.. or try not.. to.. and hope I can sleep.

Also, the Suboxone is a scam.. People know how to shoot them regardless of the naloxone. It was just a way for big pharma to milk the money out of a generation that got hooked on all the pain killers they give out like candy to an heavily aging population.

I never met a herion addict that jumped into needles.. It was, and was for me.. nicking my parents back pain pills that got me started.

Damn.. almost swallowed...

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And yes people, we know Subutex/Suboxone works and is well worth the try, if taken correctly. The man asked a question about the kind of pill his friend received, not for a counseling session. And EDDIE...you're right. I'm on the same page as you. You've taken both kinds so you actually know what I'm talking about.

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I actually had a baby on subutex & he came out withdrawaling & the stupid doctor said that it was worse than roxys! I know what I've heard from doctors about it is true,(that it's safer) but honestly I didn't see anything wrong with him, he was a little fussy from being in the nicu but what baby doesn't cry! To be honest I think she was judging me on my past!!

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"sagged out"?

Subutex isn't hard to abuse. Nothing about the bigger pills makes them hard to abuse in any way shape or form. I know a guy who injects 16mg throughout the day, 2mg at a time. Every day. And has for 5 years or so, no ill effects as far as I know.

No if anything the big ones are just the responsible ones carried by pharmacies that actually use their brains for 5 seconds when they see that they're filling scripts for a 30 day supply that's 30 pills one month, then 24, then 20, then 18, down to 5.

If Doctors are doing their job, the vast majority of sub maintenance patients are going to follow that kind of path.

Obviously some will remain on it long term if it's an effective pain reliever for them, or if they're in a high-risk situation where the sub just allows them to live a life and their doctor is compassionate, or i believe it can be given off-label for depression...

But as far as I can tell, the majority of Doctors will- once you have paid your way past the criminally exclusive barriers they put in your way (basically, you have to quit drugs in order to get on subs i guess, because what % of people with a habit and a burning desire to quit actually have $1000 lying around to cover the pills and first visit? 2%? 1%?) - once you've paid your way into the system, they seem to be willing to pump you with 24mg a day into perpetuity. Which is crazy since 24 MGs is more than a body can even process in 48 hours- much less 24. But they're willing to give you that much for years on end and then pretend as if the person taking them isn't selling them on the black market. Once you're in, you're golden apparently. At least until the heat comes down on the Doctor for being a glorified drug dealer and he starts throwing his patients under the bus left and right.

They need to fix the system. Whether it involves something more like an upscale methadone clinic or just lowers the limit to 60mg/month and also allows DRs to take on more patients- anything really. Anything besides creating this system where there's a scarcity as far as only a tiny minority of people who want to get on them are able to- either because they can't afford it or the DRs in the area are all at their limit- but despite THAT scarcity, the people who ARE patients have a surplus that they'd have no reason to ever use.

It's like they're trying to create drug dealers. I wonder if there is any literature out there about how drug companies and the FDA profit from creating addicts? I wonder if it's like how creating prisoners is a big business? They can't be tied in together, golly gee!

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I personally think subs of any form is just another way for big pharm companies to keep us addicted to something. Think about how much money they would lose if you quit your pain killers, and didn't get put on subs , and we all know how expensive they are. They make us feel like we are doing something good, but all we're doing is trading addictions. Have you ever tried to stop taking your subs? Way worse than when tried to stop taking oxy. They dont want us to get better, they just want our money and to make us feel like we are. Subs are just another way for them to keep a hand in our cookie jar. Now you tell me who the criminals are......I've been on subs for 5 years by the way, so I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, I know the feeling all too well and wish that they would come up with something to actually help us, not keep us addicted. Keep your heads up everybody, stay on track., stay strong and we will all make it.

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I HAVE BEEN ON SUBS FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS. I MIGHT BE IN THE 5% WHERE I CAN STILL FUNCTION AS A NORMAL HUMAN BEING SOCIALY(HAVING ALCHOLIC BEVERAGES WHEN IM OUT ETC) WHAT I DID IS GO BACK TO ME..BEFORE THE OXY ABUSE. SOME PEOPLE THINK OR NEED TO BE TOTALY SOBER TO STAY OXY SOBER..BUT I AM ONE THAT WILL ARGUE THAT. I BEAT IT MENTALLY...BUTTTT MY BODY STILL REQUIRES ONE/EIGHTH A DAY OF SUBOXIN...IM ALMOST THERE. I WONDER IF THIS NEW SUBUTEX WILL HELP...? BUT BACK TO MY POINT LOL..THERE SMALLER BECAUSE THERE IS NO NALOXONE IN IT (OPIAT BLOCKER) PEOPLE CAN STILL USE PAINKILLER WHILE ON SUBUTEX BUT NOT WHEN ON SUBOXIN. THE THOUGHT OF MY OLD LIFE MAKES ME VOMIT,AND MY NEW LIFE IS GREAT. SO I THINK THATS WHY I AM THE WAY I AM...NOT EVERYBODY CAN DO IT MY WAY..MOST CAN'T..I ALSO SMOKE BUD. HAVE BEEN FOR 20 YEARS. HELPS WITH MY ANXIETY AND IT GROWS FROM GOD'S GARDEN

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I agree I need twice as many of these kind!! I have felt like crap since I picked these little things up compared to the normal big ones.:(

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Yes that is what mine looked like when filled at walgreens.

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I just b it the same ones from Walgreens I've never seen them before, but there as small as an aspirin and the have a 8 on one side and a arrow on the other. The verdict is still out if they work as good as the bigger ones.some say they love them because they don't have the extra fillers but others say they feel as they have to take more to get the same effect. I think there fine

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Wanted to address one other thing coming up on this thread. You are not imagining things if you feel different after being switched to a different generic or formulation of Suboxone. Even though they have the same active ingredient and by FDA regulation must have the same amount of the active ingredient, these medications are of varying biochemical composition at their core levels and can be absorbed and leave the body in varying manners (though only by a very small, almost inperceptable degree). Their is also the fact that pills contain varying amounts and types of fillers/binders, which may affect your reaction to the drug. Specifically, if your body is used to a certain filler ingredient and it goes away, you might notice a small difference. What is more likely, however, is that because you are an addict, you have become accustomed to the medication you have been taking to treat your addiction. When something happens like what has been described above, your mind can trick you into believing the medication just isn't the same. That's not a bad thing and in fact is actually more significant than what I referred to earlier in my comment. Either way, you need to let your physician know and he or she, if they are a good physician, should respect your wishes to stick with the formula you are most comfortable with. Our minds are very powerful things and just the thought that these are different or not working as well can cause our drug taking behaviors to change. The people that dismiss things as being all in your mind are missing the point that the mind in addiction recovery is exactly what matters the most and everything should be done to help you stay feeling stable. I was switched to generic a long time ago and felt the difference and had an honest conversation with my physician, emphasizing that I understand it may be placebo, but the fact remains that I do not feel the same, and he was more than happy to switch me back to the name brand strips. He also noted that it may not be in my mind because generics do have different core compositions or I could even be reacting to a binder, either the absence of one to which I was used to or the addition of a new one that my body does not like. Frank honesty, as any recovering addict can tell you, with everyone involved in your recovery (including yourself) is priority one when it comes to your recovery. Do not be afraid of your doctor. If he or she doesn't make you feel like you are doing your best and listen to your concerns straight out and address those concerns then it is time to find a new prescriber. Contact your insurance company, don't be afraid of them either, and they should have a list of prescribers they do business with. If the insurance asks you why you take the medication, though, which really they shouldn't since that is between you and your doctor, always always always say it is for medication-assisted withdrawal and never for addiction, as they might try to place restrictions on you. I am lucky that Suboxone and it's generics, along with brand name Buprenorphine and it's generics are included in my formulary in a way that does not require prior authorization to begin or continue treatment. Most of the big insurers do cover these medications and their generics now (of course the brand name does not have a generic any longer as they withdrew their tablets from the market after releasing the film, as they approached the opening up of generic competition (more info on that and the underhanded tactic Reckitt tried to use to stifle compitition is available elsewhere online and I urge you to research that).

The bottom line folks is that we have to be our own advocates right now, as no one else is going to do that for us. If the drug isn't on your formulary or requires repeated prior authorizations which only create more stress, then you need to speak up. Write in to your legislators and your insurance company and explain your point of view. Good luck and may your higher power drive you!

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Yea the same thing happened to me today, i went to get my script of subutex and it was a totally different looking pill, i found out its just a new kind. they are actually better i think because they dissolve so much faster, but i was worried at first to that they made a mistake, but i took it and it worked the same, so i guess they just came out with a new pill

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I dont know. I just started the little ones today, and it seems like i cant tell i took it. I hope you are right. Also, my insurance(blue cross/blue shield) called me and asked me all kind of queastions. One of the things she told me was, "There are too many people taking it who dont need it. It is not a good drug." By the end of the conversation, she actually said it was a miracle drug.

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That's am Arrow generic 8mg buprenorphine tablet - see previous posts above. It's just a non-branded Subutex - same active ingredients, but different filler (the inert content) to satisfy patent legalities.

My chemist gets both and I never notice the difference, especially when taken sublingually as intended.

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When it comes to pills size means nothing. These 8/arrows are subs, they're made for those who are serious about getting they're lifes back and not wanting to be a slave to oxys/roxis/hydros/blues/ yellows or whatever your hood calls em'. Don't snort them, just see a doctor, take as perscribed ,wheen as told how, then presto..back to normal living..hopefully..

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Ive been prescribed subutex since before suboxone was even available in 2003. A little over ten years now. And I've learned a lot. For the first 6 or 7 years I was prescribed the NAME BRAND Subutex which had a B8 logo on the front. But whenever all the drug companies started going generic on everyone I was switched to the generic 8 mg which has a 54 411 on the front. I've had every single kind of Subutex, generic, name brand, 2mg, 8mg. You name it I've had it. And one thing I do know is that the Name brand 8 mg are BY FAR the best ones. The small 8 mg don't have near the ingredients in them and they're just not as strong as the name brand, and the generic ones just are not near as strong, not by a long shot. But yeah, there are small 8mg and 2mg tablets, and big 8 mg tablets. If you can still get name brand Subutex (which I have had zero luck doing) then get them while you can.

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The size makes no difference to the potency of the drug. If it says 8mg, then you are getting 8mg. I don't know if there's any truth in saying that the name brand, original Subutex is better than any generic. For almost 2 years I have been prescribed Suboxone and also Subutex, and have gotten all types of different pills for Subutex and they all have had the same effect. I actually prefer this smaller sized 8mg pill to the bigger one because the time it takes to dissolve under the tongue is greatly decreased. You don't get as much of the bad taste, and it's much easier to get more of the pill the right way. With the big ones I find that I lose a lot due to swallowing too often. Without all the filler, it's much more convenient to take. But like I have said, size makes absolutely NO difference. You could take either one and get the same effect, as long as you are taking it under your tongue as prescribed. Subutex, and Suboxone, are life-savers! Of course people abuse them and sell them or whatever, but for the people who really need them and want to get clean, it's a miracle. I am pregnant and take 4mg's of Subutex daily. I can't imagine being pregnant without being on this pill. It is the safest thing for an addict who becomes pregnant because going cold-turkey from opiates could be lethal for the baby, and the chance of any withdrawals in the baby are very low with Subutex. Any addict who is really looking for help getting off of opiates should definitely consider going to an outpatient or counselling center and asking if there is a Suboxone program offered.

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Well, I totally agree that Subutex is a life savior. I've been abusing heroin for 6 years, and sober for 2 months now due to my subutex program. The pill I'm taking is the small round white pill that has an 8 on a side and an arrow on the other, and it's really working for me. While I've heard from friends whom been taking the original subutex pill, that subutex is the best! I don't care whether it's the original marketed name or the buprenorphine arrow, the one I'm on now, or subuxone or whatever.. What I care about is that it's keeping me satisfied all day long and healthy and aware of everything bad I shouldn't go for! Believe me, just take anything your doctor gives u that contains buprenorphine. 8mg tablet and 2mg tablet are the same size from buprenorphine arrow, but the 2mg tablet tastes sweeter due to its increased fillers. Goodluck for everyone on this program, and I wish you all a safe ride.

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