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I found Subutex in my daughter's room with a needle. Do people really IV this? Why do people take it that dont need it?

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F***ing methadone clinic!?!?!?! What!!?!?!?!? If u put her on methadone ur starting a whole new war thats even harder too kick. Get her to f***ing rehab and some meetings- recovering herion addict with 3 years clean from all drugs

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If you take subutex OR suboxone, before the other opiates have worn off, it will put you into precipitated withdrawal (dopesickness).

Even without the naloxone, buprenorphine binds to the opiate receptors, so the heroin (or other opiate) is less effective... As buprenorphine is not as strong as heroin, your body goes into withdrawal, because it's not getting the high dose to which it is accustomed.

Last time I quit, I took subutex 12 hours after my last IV heroin use (of about 1.5 grams)... It sent me into withdrawals, until about 24 hours after my last H use.

Not fun.

My friend has taken it as little as 8 hours after her last heroin use, with no withdrawals, though... so, everyone is different.

Good luck and Jesus F***ing Christ on a pogo stick, help us all.

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Okay! So, I just spent the last 2 hours researching subutex, and the previous 2.5 hours reading this thread.. I have also previously taken tex a few times. Along with being dependent on opiates since Feb of 2003 when my doctor put me on them due to numerous back injuries. The very first time I took tex, it was about 12 hours or so after I took pain meds. My friend gave me one bc I don't like getting sick when I run out of.my meds a day or so early. I took it like u take any pill, I swollowed the entire.thing. I did nit kno u an divide it up over a few days and r supposed to dissolve it under ur tongue. Anyhoo, after reading everything that was posted and THEN researching here is what I found: FIRST obviously, everyone is different so it could differentiate up to an hour or two either direction. You r NOT SUPPOSED to take it less than 4 hours after taking anyother opiates. Bc it CAN "cause withdrawal like symptoms". SECOND, this like any other class c (narcotic) can cause dependancy after prolonged use. As for MY PERSONAL experience with this drug? I said before, I took it the first time not knowing how or when to take it. I took the entire pill about 12 or so hours after my last prescribed medication dose. I swallowed the entire pill bc I'm a dork. And was feeling 500x's better! This time, I took about 1/4 of it, dissolved it under my tongue, and its already kicking in about 25-30 min later. I'll tell u all what. I myself am a "recovering addict" I have been on and off drugs since I was 11, I'm now 30. I put myself in rehab when I first wanted to get off my pain medication. Which.my Dr. Switched every 6-8 mths bc my body builds up a tollerance extremely.fast, so they say. I was in rehab for a little over two weeks on darvocet 4x's a day for 7 days. I was clean for around a year and a half. When I was diagnosed with damn carpul tunnell. We tried every NON narcotic pain medication that is made. But.unfortunately it just wasn't working. So I finally agreed to go back on pain medication already knowing how f*cking hard it is to get off the damn things. I am a fulltime student, and single.mother of 3 kids. My choices r either take the meds until my surgery is approved (i have medi cal in California. And my Dr says it takes 8+ mths, give or take, to get approved for surgery) so that I can b without pain. Orrrr, keep doing what I am, graduate, get a job, and risk permanentely crippling myself bc I refused to try and fix my wrist. Ill tell u that when my doctor first suggested pain meds, I just about died. Once clean I refused even Tylenol, bc I was afraid I had an addictive personality. I wasn't aware that it was the medications that were so damn addicting in themselves. So it ended up taking me about 10 mths to agree. And Ive been on them almost 2 yrs now. And until these past few months I wasn't hurt enough to even "qualify" for surgery. But, again bc of my tolerance building so fast & with the pain almost unbearable @ times I run out of my.meds between 2 days and 10 days early. In my opinion I have heard HORRIBLE things about suboxone! And was extremely worried when I was offered tex by a recovering friend. But, ib trusted him and I have NEVER been so happy about it. I can go to Cosmo school and bust my hump using my hurt wrist/hand/arm for between 7-12 hours on the floor, come home and do homework with my kids, cook, clean, and believe it or not, NOT wake up in pain from fingertip to shoulder every 30-45min. If u REALLY don't like taking pills/opiates, and absolutely HATE the "dope sickness" as I've seen it called and felt before (i wanted to.kill myself bc of it btw), then I could care less how u acquire it. Whether u get it.from ur doctor, a friend gives it to u, or u buy it on the street. U really, Really, REALLY need to use subtext! Even if there is a little bit of a withdrawal when u stop taking it, its well worth not feeling the withdrawal from the opiates. I promise u this.
So SO sorry this was long. But with all the missinformation on this thread I had to share. And I alsowanted u to kno me. Kno that I'm someone who kno's where it at right now, and how ur feeling. And I would hand u the world to make it stop. Promise! Goodluck to everyone! I kno that it isn't luck u need atm, its love. Love for yourself first and foremost... :-D

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Oh. Please excuse any & all of my grammatical errors in the previous message. I'm on my phone and its hard to type. And stupid auto correct lol FML!

But honestly I'd love to help anyone here. So, if anyone has any questions, ANY @ all, please message me. I have done just about anything under the sun. Well, except for H, Ghb, & crack.. I've also taken it in every/any form possible (as far as I kno I have , anyways). So, I kinda kno a little about it. Ive made the most out of the journey I've had, good or bad, right or wrong. I'm not proud of it, but proud of what I've become.

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Hey everybody!
Just a note to wish everybody peace & blessings, whatever it is you're going through. I had a hard-core opiate addiction - was eating Fentanyl patches multiple times daily, taking Oxys, Roxys, Percocets - all of which were PRESCRIBED by the same doctor. I had been in a bad car accident, and whenever I said my pain wasn't being controlled, the doc just got out the pad and started writing. He did me no favors. I was the one who finally decided enough was enough and I drove myself, dopesick as hell, to inpatient rehab. Two weeks later I was released to outpatient treatment, taking Suboxone - whch actually controlled my pain BETTER than all those other opiates combined.

Anyway, one thing I live by is that I try to respect everybody's wisdom and experience. I wasn't a street junkie, but I was still a junkie - no better than the person living in their car, or a park, and hustling to score dope. Getting clean saved my life, and if you're still using, when YOU decide it is time to stop, you too can make it happen. Peace & hugs to all.

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Amen,I agree with you one hundred percent.I too was a percription junkie myself after a car acident in 2001. But,I got help out patient help three years ago and been on suboxon and it has also, helped my pain and my addiction. Thank god for suboxon and subutex doctors!

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Great to hear it, April. Congrats to yyou for having the strength to get clean and the good luck to find resources that worked out for you.

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Subutex is Buprenorphine without the naloxone? This is intended to be used by pregnant chicks or junkies who are currently using to make the transistion in that there is no naloxone= no withdrawls, respectfully. Listen to what I am saying please, these are important life decisions that should not be made with misinformation!

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no shooting subutex or suboxone will not put you into wds unless you have a different opiate on your receptors (oxy,dilaudid,methadone ect.) it is the bupenorphine in either sub that causes wds. bupe is a strong drug that will rip any other opiate type med off your receptors causing precipitated wds. if you do not have any opiates occupying these receptors than your all set. the naloxone in suboxone is basically a deterent it just prevents you from catching a buzz.

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no they will cannot decifer suboxone from subutex unless it is sent to a lab, most clinics or docs that precribe it dont send it to the lab.

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Yes this is true. I tend to use once or twice a week. The days im not using i am using Subutex. I never have any withdrawls what so ever. I have been doing it this way for over 7 years now. My using these days is far and few between. I am starting to learn that being sober is just as much fun as getting High. You just have to be around the right perople. If you surround yourself with knuckle heads those are the results we tend to get. Good luck with your addiction.

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It doesn't matter which one your going to take. Subutex or Suboxone, the naloxone makes NO difference in causing withdrawls. If you do not wait until you are IN the beginning stages of withdrawl, and you take either Subutex or Suboxone you WILL send yourself into instant withdrawl. The Buprenorphine is what causes this. The Naloxone in Suboxone simply is there so that if you are ON a large dose of active opiates, and you take a Suboxone, you don't accidentally kill yourself from respiratory failure, as might happen if you took a bunch of opiates and then a subutex, and also helps to deter IV usage of the pills. SO, in conclusion, make sure you are IN as much withdrawl as you can possibly take before taking your subutex/suboxone, because if you don't, you will learn a totally new definition of pain.

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Dear PainInTheWrist --
Suggesting the people just jump from something such as prescribed pain medications to subutex and that you "don't care where they get them from, you are sure the withdrawl is going to be NOTHING like an opiate withdrawl..." is kinda like saying "I'm an airhead hairdresser that has NO CLUE what she is talking about." First of all, your withdrawl from the Subutex, unless medically supervised and tapered correctly, will be 10 times worse than any of the little pills you were complaining about getting from your doctor. The pills from your doctor have a half life of 6-8 hours, whereas the Subutex you're popping from your friend, or obtaining off the street have a half life of 24-36 hours. That directly corresponds to the length and severity of the abrupt withdrawl that you will have to go through when you are arrested for purchasing a controlled substance ILLEGALLY, and sitting in jail while your 3 children are processed into the system for everyone else to take care of. If you want to take subutex, go to a doctor, and get a prescription, and before you get that prescription, let the doctor explain to you things like the differences in the length of a drug's half-life and it's effect on length of and severity of that drug's withdrawl symptoms, because believe me withdrawl from some pain pills, is a walk in the park on a sunny hippy's day compared with the withdrawl from improper use of Subutex. And one other thing, ask the Dr. to respectfully show you which way is up while he is at it.

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Shooting suboxone up with a needle is VERY dangerous! People do it to get a euphoric high feeling. Shooting it up will make you go through withdrawl from it AS SOON AS the effects wear off. I would get her help as soon as you can. Anyone who takes it without a prescription will get addicted very fast.

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Whilst I've not read each and every other reply to the most important of your two questions, from the few replies that I have read it doesn't seem likely that your second question[the most important one] will be adequately addressed, so, in response to your question of: " Why do people take it that don't need it?", which is I believe the crux of the whole matter concerning your daughter's [et al.] decidely dabbling in drugs, the simple answer lies complicit with another very basic rhetorical question, being: "Why did Mohammed go to the mountain?" A simple answer can be accepted as: "Because it[the drug, just like the mountain] is there!" Why does anyone consciously take anything, like a big breath of fresh icy-cold air, for example? They are only able to do so because it[the freezing fresh air] is there, and they know it's there, so they consciously decide to fill their lungs and enjoy the thrill of the fill...instead of the perilous pill! It's simply a matter of cho_'ice' of hab_it'erative! Some folk simply deem that they're unable to break from a tragically trafficked tradition.

It's exactly the same situation with myriad folk who fall foul to the perils of imbibing too much alcohol: "The man/woman first takes a drink, the drink then takes a drink, and then the drink takes the man/woman!" We must be ever-mindful in all of this of the veritably indisputable fact that the drink[or drug] never took the "first"[read as: "thirst"] step!

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First of all who just wrote that it is the bup that causes withdrawal and not the naloxne is not to bright I am a pharmacist and the naloxne is an opiate antagonist which they put in there so you cant abuse the medication and also it blocks the receptors from accepting any other opiates if you have question don't listen to people who dont know what they are talking about do real research addicts give a lot of the wrong information not all of them but a lot of them. And oh yeah I was a heroin addict for a large of my life as well as methadone as well as crack as well as benzos.

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Thank you for being such an ass BeenThereDoneThat. I HAVE gone to my doctor, and he HAS prescribed and explained to me what the difference and what outcome I will get by taking subutex over suboxone. Although you may think I'm an airhead, I am far from it. I honestly think that subutex is a godsend. And I explained to my doctor exactly what I said on here.
He then explained to me that there are slight differences between suboxone and subutex.
For instance, if taking suboxone while still having opiates in your system, it WILL cause you to have the worst withdrawals or dopesickness EVER (or atleast you'll feel that way) And if you take subutex while having opiates in your system, although it is NOT RECOMMENDED, it "usually" will not cause you to get sick.
But, it can in some people. Just like any other medication.
As for me saying that I don't care where you get them, this is true. If you are wanting to be done with opiates, then use something to help you get off of them! Whether u get them from your doctor like a good little citizen, or you get them from a friend (remember not all people speaking on this forum are doing things legally). I'm hoping that if they take them and see that they can be clean and sober again that they will go to a subutex clinic and continue on their journey of being clean. All it takes is that first step. And it is always the hardest to take.
People are coming onto this forum to speak about their addictions, whatever they may be. Who are u to bring negativity and criticism on here to someone you don't know?? And to say something about my kids? Or my career? Just because it isn't a choice or decision that you, yourself would make, that makes it wrong? IN MYPINION, if someone asks a question that I know something about first hand. I'm going to give them my experiences. I can't do anything more than that. And I won't self proclaim I'm a doctor. Nor a nurse. And I'm most definitely not god. Nor will I act like it.
But on top of that, what if I was severely depressed and suicidal because of not wanting to take my PRESCRIBED medication anymore? And because of what you said, I killed myself?

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And THANK YOU Jason Page for your comment! You are professionally in the pharmaceutical line of things. So you can do nothing more than state facts about these two medications. And as u said a lot of addicts are misinformed. Although, not all are. But as you said its NOT the Bup that causes the withdrawals, its the naloxone. And suboxone has it, but subutex doesn't.

Either way, my point is, is that if you don't want to keep taking/doing opiates. And you are terrified of the withdrawals, please ask/research/find out about this medications that were made to HELP you get clean. That's what they are here for. That's why they were even made. A Just because you are/were an addict, doesn't mean you can't straighten out your life and go back to school. Be someone. And ENJOY your life! GOODLUCK TO EVERYONE! :-D

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OMG run as far away as you can from ANY methadone treatment, ive been on heroin, pain pills, ect ect, then on methadone, subutex, suboxone, it is just more of the same and is a complete nightmare!!!! my attempt to get of subox and methadone has been MUCH more difficult than the original addiction, i know a lot of people will argue this but deal with 5-40 days of misery NOW!! and be done with it, rather than YEARS of methadone

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This is strange but guess everyone is diff I just did 4 perc thirtys today and was doing subutex in between so why Im I not wd since everyone says u do

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