White Round Pill Subutex 54 411

I found Subutex in my daughter's room with a needle. Do people really IV this? Why do people take it that dont need it?

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The pill in description is Buprenorphine hydrochloride (subutex) 8 mg. It is a semi-synthetic opioid that is used to treat opioid addiction in higher dosages (>2mg) and to control moderate pain in non-opioid tolerant individuals in lower dosages (~200 mg).

Yes, Subutex can be administered intravenously. This is a very addictive drug that gives off a euphoric rush similar to other opioids in addition to a slight "upper"-like effect.

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Hello, administering these intravenously is very dangerous so please take them from her and tell her she is messing with her life, i am only 24 and have never used a needle but have had drug problems all my life since i was 15.....i know someone that almost died because the suboxone can turn from liquid to solid very quick and if u IV it, it is dangerous putting anything in your blood like that!!!

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Yes it can abused just like BT, china. or subutex. She has been dabbling in opiates. She will wind up a slave to the drug. Get her in a methadone clinic and in some therapy...keep the dose low on the DONE...like 30 mgs a day...and taper it off from there.

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Methadone (full synthetic opiate) is worse for you and makes you lethargic and cloudy in comparison to buprenorphine(partially synthetic partial opiate)both give 24-48 hours of relief with a daily dose. Do to the long half life they both last beyond your 24 hrs.Plus, you can get 4 week prescription instead of a daily or weekly ration. Your daughter should get treatment and start using buprenorphine in the correct method. sublingually.

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F*** METHADONE TRUST ME! stay with subutex, she could be pregnant to by the way, so check that out also

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Please people why are you encouraging people to do this s***. This medicine is for people who have an addiction problem. Why is that the world finds something to help people who wants to get ahold of there lives again and people like this want to IV a drug that does help. Oh by the way it will set you into complete withdraws for the first ten min. Stay sober. Sobritey is no. 1 in my life, what about yours.

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Please read your post a couple times before posting. Having poor grammar and less than fluent and comprehendable commentary does little for the case you try to support.

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I need to know if this 54 411 can be taken close to taking an opiate. I know that if you take suboxone too close it will kick in withdrawals really bad. I heard with these you can take it the next day and it WONT kick in withdrawals which will allow someone to take them and go about their day without getting sick, anybody know if this is true??

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Odds are your daughter is using heroin because of the syringe or she cooks up pain medication like oxycontin to a liquid form then injects it. and suboxone is used to treat withdrawal symptoms from opiates like Oxys, roxys, hard pain medication and including heroin users are prescribed suboxone's to help fight the withdrawal symptoms from not having the drug in your system so they can detox safely and clean up without fear of harmful side effects included with withdrawals

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All I want to know is what subutex looks like ?

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You are all very uneducated and misinformed. First of all, administering subutex/suboxone intravenously is no different than taking it sublingually- there is NO rush or euphoria - it just requires a much lesser dosage and has a faster onset.

Some are fooled into thinking that just because you inject a drug, you will get some crazy high or rush. It's all about how fast the drug crosses the blood brain barrier that determines the rush. Diacetylmorphine (heroin) is essentially the same as morphine except that the diacetylization causes it to cross the blood brain barrier (BBB) faster, and then metabolizes into morphine in a few minutes. Hydromorphone, oxymorphone, Demerol, etc, do this quite well. It's just a more efficient way of getting drugs into your body.

She probably is an opiate addict who also has the suboxone as a backup plan in case she can't hook up & is getting dopesick, or is planning on stopping her dope habit soon. Whatever preconceptions you may have, DO NOT TAKE AWAY HER SUBOXONE. That is cruel and unnecessary. Opiate withdrawal is no joke and is a traumatic experience - if you want to help her, then level with her and work with her to find out what the most successful method of quitting will be for her. She needs your support and understanding not your judgment, punishment, or your "so-called" wisdom on the subject. Unless you've been through it personally, then don't act like you know what it's all about, cause you don't know jack s***. Period.

You must be careful on your approach in every aspect of this. Addiction has nothing to do with intelligence, status, love, or lack thereof. It's a genetic predisposition that once the brain gets that chemical, it's like a Christmas tree lighting up. Life then becomes all about nothing less than survival.

To touch on some specific comments in this thread :

1.) Don't IV pills. If you do, then don't heat/cook them. If you do, then you are just melting all the fillers & binders down so that they enter and become lodged in your lungs, liver, kidneys, vessel walls, etc. Most, if not all opioid pills are water soluble and require no heat.

2.) Buprenorphine has a higher affinity for your opioid receptors than naloxone, so just because you IV suboxone doesn't mean you'll go into immediate withdrawal. Precipitated withdrawal is caused by the buprenorphine out-competing other opioids at the receptor sites and binding tighter, but having less activity on the receptor site, thus causing an immediate (precipitated) withdrawal. Buprenorphine is a partial agonist with antagonist properties. Oxy/hydrocodone, methadone, dilaudid, etc are full agonists (lots of receptor activity =high) and naloxone, naltrexone, are antagonists (rips agonists off receptors =dopesick). So you will only get sick from it if you take it too soon after your last opioid dose.

I hope someone learns something from this.

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My question was can you take the subutex early after taking your last dose, as opposed to suboxone which makes you sick and kicks in withdrawals, i heard with the subutex, you can take it as soon as you wake up even if you arent sick yet, i tried it and didnt get sick, i loved them, i want more to get off the blues.

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Subutex is oval with a b8 on one side and a score mark down the middle on the other side. Or a smaller 2 mg will have a 2 on it. The generics are round with 54 411 on it. Suboxone is orange and octagon shaped. If u find pills in your daughters room that you are unsure of try using an online pillfinder. I used drugs as a teenager and if my mom would have caught me in time my life may be completely different now. I wish you luck addiction is a horrible thing to overcome.

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If taking subutex and run out ,do you have to wait the normal way before taking suboxone since the naloxone is what makes you ill?

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Happen to read over this discussion. Addictions hurts. Not just yourself but everyone around you. Still trying to fight this addiction everyday living in a community where pills and dope is popular yet you'd never think all these ppl in this middle class community of woodbridge, nj have such addictions. Subutex or suboxone are both great. Getting clean is the greatest of all though.

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I've been a heroin user, for almost 5yrs now, I've been sniffing it. I have a $200 a day habit. So what I want to know is, if I do a line @ like midnite, can I take a subutex 12hrs. later & it will work almost immediately unlike suboxone that would make you sick?

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I have been asking this question in this forum and i cant get a legit answer lol thats all i want to know is if it will kick in withdrawals or not

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No the subutex won't throw you in to withdrawal. That's the diff between them and suboxones. I prefer suboxones bc I know it'll help me not use. I've taken suboxones after using dope and I didn't go into withdrawal just didn't work bc I used them to close together everyone is diff but no subutex WONT throw u into withdrawal if Uve used recently

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I am currently taking suboxone on a daily basis from my doctor to doctor a sever opiate addiction. I dropped almost 8 pills downt he drain and they obviously dissolved. a friend of mine gave me a subutex to help when the withdrawel kicked in. i have my doctor appointment and i have to have a urinary test done. will they be able to tell the difference that it is subutex and not the suboxone that is supposed to be in my system> if i fail this test ONCE, they will kick me out of the program. I have been clea other than the subs for over a year, and I dont want this to mess it up. Please help me get some answeres/

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Your test will be fine, buprenorphine is what they test for and it is in both suboxone and subutex. So don't worry you will be fine.

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Re: Ellen (# 19)

They both come up as bupenepherine on the drug screen. They won’t know unless you tell them.

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Re: Flyguy513 (# 344)

Naloxone is only in subOXONE not the Tex

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Suboxone or Subutex when taken PROPERLY under the tongue and NOT injected is an amazing drug that can help people with severe opioid addiction transition off of the opioids without getting sick. It takes away the cravings, the sweats, vomiting, shaking, chills, and many other side effects.

Abusing them however is extremely dangerous! It will send you into withdrawal immediately if you have any opiates in your system. If she is using a needle for any drug, she’s an addict and you must get her help immediately!! Do what you have to do to save your child’s life. Do NOT give her money. EVER. She’ll tell you she’s hungry. Then buy her food. Don’t give her money. The thing with addicts is they know how to play the people that love them the most. Trust me, I know.

Thankfully I’m coming up on five years sober now. If I hadn’t gotten sober, I would be dead by now. They are putting fentanyl in the heroin, they are making counterfeit pills with heroin in them.

So again, get her into a rehab that is at a minimum 60 days inpatient. The longer the better. I’m praying for you and your daughter.

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Re: Lola (# 43)

It's not narcan in Subutex its naloxone. So if you're going to act like I know it all at least know what you're talking about

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Re: ScottB (# 7)

We are drug addicts not scholars

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Re: bob (# 5)

Hell yeah f*** methadone. You think you are a slave to something, wait till you get on the clinic and they are the slave master.

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Re: MiracleWaiter (# 16)

Subutex does not have the opiate blocker naloxone in it so if you wait 12 hrs you should be fine.

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Re: jakefromthebean (# 2)

Bs. You cannot overdose on bupe. It is to manage addicts. I have seen people do insane amounts. But never an OD. Take the needle. Be glad she is using this instead of heron.

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Re: Bob (# 12)

I shot a subutex pill 8mg then I shot half a dilaudid and I didn't feel nothing why is that??????

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Re: Ashley (# 330)

It's the same medication so yes and you can not od on subutex or suboxone period; your brain receptors only allow so much to come in, so taking more than even 1 is really just a waste. If you research it you'll see less is more to leave a little space in the receptors to free other pain meds. In emergency situations only. I get 3 white 54s a day and take a max of one throughout the whole day, if that. So less is really more when it comes to this drug, but I've been on it over 8 years so I know a lot about it and have researched the hell out of it lol. Good luck.

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